Leo Gura

Ideology Examples Mega-Thread

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I need your help gathering video examples of ideology in action in the real world. I'd like to gather a diverse catalogue of various kinds of ideologies, from various cultures, in both gross and subtle degrees.

Please avoid posting long videos. Try to find videos which are short and to-the-point, so the ideology in on full display.

Try to find diverse examples.


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@Leo Gura As you say in your recent video, "Ideology is the very opposite to love and consciousness" 

Isn't that statement enough? Do we need to dig deeper into it? 

In the end every ideology needs a strategy to gain power, and the language of power is always violence in the end. 

The game of power(ideology) is infinitely cunning in the way it cover up the dirtiness of the game in endless lies and false flags. 

Literary every conflict and war are born out of strategic false flags to benefit the already rich and powerful ones. 

Does it really benefit your followers if you dig deep into it? 

I know you are brilliant in covering topics outside of enlightenment/absolute truth/love. 

But ideology is literary the polar opposite of love and consciousness as you pointed out in your latest episode. 

I don't see the point. I regret bother with these kind of topics myself, we should be indifferent to it. 

It's not our game, let the evil ones have it.

Just as truth is our game and not theirs. ;)     

Edited by MarkusSweden

Isn't it so, yes or no? 

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@MarkusSweden There are many subtle forms of ideology. It's not as easy to avoid as you might think. It would be a dangerous mistake to think of ideology as simply being a Neo-Nazi.

Many stage Green ideologies are "love"-based.

And virtually all the highest consciousness teachings are turned into ideology by the mind.

I've been studying this topic for over a decade and I still don't have a solid handle on it.

This is a very slippery topic.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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This video is a masterpiece. Shows you the Ideology shifts and evolution of consciousness in Russia of 20th century from Russian Empire to USSR to Russia of 90s and 2000s from a perspective of a common folk. Shows you very clearly the mechanisms of massive ideology, how common folk is getting manipulated by higher-ups and what values common people chase during all that in a well-designed music clip.

Edited by Hello from Russia

See things as they are

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One ideology beaten by another one

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@MarkusSweden There are many subtle forms of ideology. It's not as easy to avoid as you might think. It would be a dangerous mistake to think of ideology as simply being a Neo-Nazi.

Many stage Green ideologies are "love"-based.

And virtually all the highest consciousness teachings are turned into ideology by the mind.

I've been studying this topic for over a decade and I still don't have a solid handle on it.

This is a very slippery topic.

 

History is full of example of loving and positive ideologies which started with being a great solution to a systemic problem and ended up being a disastrous application.

Ideologies grow into collective egos which reflect the level of consciousness of the humans feeding it.

A problem I could see with the ideologies which are at level of consciousness "ahead" of the time is that they end up being corrupted as it attracts individuals which resonate with the ideology but aren't "stable" in it. Those ideologies may snowball, contaminating everyone in society and gets even more corrupted as they reach people who aren't ready for it.

Edited by Etherial Cat

 What the future holds for you depends on your state of consciousness now.  Eckhart Tolle

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Of Interest: Aristotle(Teleology), Carl Jung, Christopher Langan(Holo-pantheism),  William James (Pragmatism).

Evil "Caesar's Wife must be above suspicion".: Plato (Ideal forms), John Stuart Mill (Anti-teleos Utilitarianism), Leibniz (Trinitarianism), Spinoza(Pantheism) Buddhism(Paradox), Jainism?(Hysteria), Nietzsche (Perspectivism) William James (Pragmatism). 

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12 hours ago, DreamMachine said:

How about stoicism?

Great question! Yes and no?

At the beginning, stoicism was the definition of an ideology since it fought hard with numerous schools in order to gain market shares. 

But then, you find Marcus Aurelius writing ''People should never be able to tell if you're a stoic or a philosopher''.  As for the author of A Guide to the Good Life; The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy, he advises readers willing to give stoicism a try to practive something he calls stealth Stoicism.

Since a good stoic should be non-preachy and indifferent to other people's opinion of stoicism, I don't see how it can be an ideology. Can a bad stoic turn stoicism into an ideology? Off course. 

Really interested to read what others have to say. 

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10 hours ago, martin_malin said:

Great question! Yes and no?

At the beginning, stoicism was the definition of an ideology since it fought hard with numerous schools in order to gain market shares. 

But then, you find Marcus Aurelius writing ''People should never be able to tell if you're a stoic or a philosopher''.  As for the author of A Guide to the Good Life; The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy, he advises readers willing to give stoicism a try to practive something he calls stealth Stoicism.

Since a good stoic should be non-preachy and indifferent to other people's opinion of stoicism, I don't see how it can be an ideology. Can a bad stoic turn stoicism into an ideology? Off course. 

Really interested to read what others have to say. 

Good one indeed! I've been trying to come with a solution to that problematic but its a super sloppy way. If someone else has insight I'd appreciate reading them too.

To me, it seems like indeed, stoicisim as an ideology is a paradox. The problem could arise from the fact that stoicism is promoting ego-killing values and ideologies are egos...

Being stoic (incarnating stoicism) is not the same as being a stoicist. It is just "being" everything stoicisim wants to promote. You can see objectively that you are conforming to what is the definition of being a stoic.  Just like Buddha just "was" and was not a "buddhist".  So you can act as a stoic, discuss the idea of stoicism, appreciate and think stoic without identifying yourself as a "stoicist". Which is the good way of being a stoic.

Now if you see yourself as a stoicist, then you are making of it an object. If you ever identify with anything, you stop being a stoic, and you become a stoicist. But you can't be a stoic if you identify with stoicism.

 

 

 

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 What the future holds for you depends on your state of consciousness now.  Eckhart Tolle

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I was a follower of Jordan Peterson until one year ago. After watching Leo's content I saw the blind spots in his teachings and political statements. He is so involved in all the gender and political correctness stuff that he is unable to get out of this ego-identifying war. His hole life and career builds on that stuff. Would be so funny to see Leo speaking with Peterson on this topic. Either Peterson would rationalize the shit out of Leos words or his ego would break completely.

Nontheless I'm gonna read his book "12 Rules for life" because now I'm aware of these blind spots and I'm interested in reading the book with a real critical perspective. Alone the title says it all: Rules! that implicates that Peterson knows what's "good" for each and every individual. That's religion! That's ideology!


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this movie shows the experimental creation of an ideological movement and how it loses track very fast

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