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Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread

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14 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Watching this movie now and it is... weird... good analogy of capitalism 

About as subtle as an anvil falling from a skyscraper, but an effective analogy nonetheless.

I was thinking about this recently... Are  stage Yellow movies / tv shows (fictional, not documentaries) even a thing at this point of time? Seems really difficult to place my finger on what a stage Yellow piece of entertainment would look like. The handful of examples I can think of might be better placed in high Green with some aspects of Yellow.


The problem is one of opposition between subjective and objective points of view. 

So either the objective conception of the world is incomplete, or the subjective involves illusions that should be rejected.  - Thomas Nagel

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@DocWatts Spiral Dynamics tends to get wonky when you apply it to art, especially with yellow. You can take aspects of it (like the message) and place it there, but even then it's not something you should expect to come across.


To balance beauty and complexity so perfectly is a divine mystery.

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55 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@DocWatts Spiral Dynamics tends to get wonky when you apply it to art, especially with yellow. You can take aspects of it (like the message) and place it there, but even then it's not something you should expect to come across.

Interesting point. You also would probably get in to questions of Content vs. Structure as well; how fully can you  separate the content of a work from the constraints of its medium? Could also be that systems thinking doesn't lend itself to artistic expression as easily because of its inherent complexities. Food for thought.

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The problem is one of opposition between subjective and objective points of view. 

So either the objective conception of the world is incomplete, or the subjective involves illusions that should be rejected.  - Thomas Nagel

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On 9/10/2020 at 6:09 PM, Matt23 said:

Gregory Bateson

 

 

 

He wrote a book called "An Ecology of Mind"... seems to be pretty popular.  Peter Ralston also recommend reading it in one of his book list recommendations.

 

@Matt23 Hi, where did you find that book list recommendation? Could you share it? I’ve never seen Peter recommending books. Thanks ;) 

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2 hours ago, DocWatts said:

Interesting point. You also would probably get in to questions of Content vs. Structure as well; how fully can you  separate the content of a work from the constraints of its medium? Could also be that systems thinking doesn't lend itself to artistic expression as easily because of its inherent complexities. Food for thought.

One of the constraints of the movie format in relation to yellow in particular is that the meta-perspectival nature would probably not translate well into a "message" that you would want to put in a movie, or atleast I can't imagine it catching on in our current culture.


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9 hours ago, DocWatts said:

About as subtle as an anvil falling from a skyscraper, but an effective analogy nonetheless.

I was thinking about this recently... Are  stage Yellow movies / tv shows (fictional, not documentaries) even a thing at this point of time? Seems really difficult to place my finger on what a stage Yellow piece of entertainment would look like. The handful of examples I can think of might be better placed in high Green with some aspects of Yellow.

I finished the movie and would not call it stage yellow. It’s more green. This movie has an interesting first half but the second half flops and the ending is meh.

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Right in the beginning of the conversation, Roger Penrose explains to Joe Rogan about Godel's incompleteness theorem. very top notch. For those folks who are in to physics.

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To be fair... I'm not 100% sure about this video... but the impression I got from the guest is that he talks from a 2nd tier understanding with regard to that topic.

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8 hours ago, Bernardo Carleial said:

To be fair... I'm not 100% sure about this video... but the impression I got from the guest is that he talks from a 2nd tier understanding with regard to that topic.

I'd say Tristan Harris is Yellow: pattern recognition, vision logic analysis, individualistic ethicist. May be knocking on the door of Turquoise with the community thing in co-founding Center for Humane Technology. 

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On 7/8/2018 at 4:05 PM, LisaA said:

I think this scene from the movie "Donnie Darko" is a good example for stage yellow. What do you think?

A friend of mine, who used to do a lot of consulting using SD (including the official test) once told me that this film is a good example of Yellow.

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On 2.10.2020 at 0:12 PM, Darren_Everitt said:

A friend of mine, who used to do a lot of consulting using SD (including the official test) once told me that this film is a good example of Yellow.

What official test?


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On 10/2/2020 at 4:09 AM, Darren_Everitt said:

I'd say Tristan Harris is Yellow: pattern recognition, vision logic analysis, individualistic ethicist. May be knocking on the door of Turquoise with the community thing in co-founding Center for Humane Technology. 

Green/Yellow. Nowhere near Turquoise. 

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On 7/11/2018 at 2:32 AM, Leo Gura said:

That's right.

Although it's complicated. You have to understand that mystics and enlightened people tend to reside outside Spiral the entirely.

Nonduality cannot be mapped. Nonduality is not a stage you reach. Nonduality is Absolute.

Never forget that Spiral Dynamics is just a model, and it is not designed to model mysticism, altered states of consciousness, or nonduality.

If you want a model of levels of nonduality, Ramaji's LOC system is better suited to that. Although, still, it's just a model and will not address every facet.

Enlightenment or non-duality is ever present and can be accessed regardless of one's level of psychological maturity because the absolute realm transcends and includes the relative realms. How one experiences and interprets such satori type insights is, seemingly, determined by one's stage of evolution.

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On 10/3/2020 at 3:43 PM, Carl-Richard said:

What official test?

SD test. I did it about 20 years ago, it's licensed by Don Beck as I recall.

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47 minutes ago, Darren_Everitt said:

SD test. I did it about 20 years ago, it's licensed by Don Beck as I recall.

Just something interesting that I recall Don Beck mentioning during an Interview is that he would probably map himself as Blue in SD.


The problem is one of opposition between subjective and objective points of view. 

So either the objective conception of the world is incomplete, or the subjective involves illusions that should be rejected.  - Thomas Nagel

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