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Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread

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On 11.7.2020 at 4:54 PM, Bernardo Carleial said:

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It's also a mark of a naive mind to think holding that as a belief will be enough to protect yourself from self-deception and bias ;) 


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I’ve never heard of SD till a week ago, but I’ve managed to work through Leo’s lectures on Blue, Orange, Green and am half way through yellow when something occurred to me that I wanted to post (ask)....

Use of the mind seems integral and of prime importance as Yellow. Thus.  would it stand to reason that the following stage (have not listened yet) would transcend the mind? 

I’m thinking of mindfulness practice, meditations and quieting the mind and such as this. As of the transition from yellow sees the futile-ness of a full and complete reliance on the mind?

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Grammar.

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6 hours ago, rwells369 said:

Use of the mind seems integral and of prime importance as Yellow. Thus.  would it stand to reason that the following stage (have not listened yet) would transcend the mind? 

Yup. Yellow sees the relativity of concepts. Turquoise sees the relativity of mind.


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On 7/20/2020 at 3:04 AM, rwells369 said:

Thus.  would it stand to reason that the following stage (have not listened yet) would transcend the mind?

Turquoise begins to transcend the mind. Not Yellow.

To truly transcend the mind is a very radical thing. Almost no human on the planet has done it.

And once you do succeed in transcending the mind, you end up with Infinite Mind ;)


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Seems like a cool channel. 


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13 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

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You have to explain why you posted this here.


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12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Turquoise begins to transcend the mind. Not Yellow.

To truly transcend the mind is a very radical thing. Almost no human on the planet has done it.

And once you do succeed in transcending the mind, you end up with Infinite Mind ;)

Leo, first I want to thank you for the tremendous work you have and are doing on behalf of the collective! I did finish turquoise this morning ...

Are these one and the same? An infinite mind vs. full / complete enlightenment? OR rather, to borrow a buddhist phrase, does further work remain in breaking the final few of the 10 fetters (non-duality)?

If so, is actualization different from enlightenment and therefore which takes primacy? 

 

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22 minutes ago, rwells369 said:

Leo, first I want to thank you for the tremendous work you have and are doing on behalf of the collective! I did finish turquoise this morning ...

Are these one and the same? An infinite mind vs. full / complete enlightenment? OR rather, to borrow a buddhist phrase, does further work remain in breaking the final few of the 10 fetters (non-duality)?

That is tricky because there can be so much nuance in how those terms are defined by which people.

It's just not so simple. There are hundreds of variations in awakening and various states and levels of consciousness and mastery. You cannot make sense of it with any simplistic model or set of categories. Consciousness is a very fluid thing.

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If so, is actualization different from enlightenment and therefore which takes primacy?

Self-actualization is different from self-transcendence (enlightenment), yes. You can read more about that from Maslow.

Self-actualization is the second highest stage. Self-transcendence is the highest.


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"Love without power is sentimental and anemic. Power without love is abusive and corrosive".

 


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Yellow is the first stage to be able to empathize with serious criminals in general right ? 

If true, listen to this great Eminem song from his latest album, its a masterpiece. The whole song is a double entendre.

 

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'how one lives becomes a bio­graphical solution to systemic contradictions'

Ulrich Beck

I would say that 'how one lives' is more like a 'biographical description' that  an actual solution...

 

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On 8/1/2020 at 1:54 AM, Kross said:

Yellow is the first stage to be able to empathize with serious criminals in general right ?

No

Such empathy is possible at Blue and Green.

Empathy comes in different flavors and levels of sophistication at each stage of the Spiral.

A stage Blue Christian can empathize with a criminal on the grounds that the criminals is a sinner and hasn't yet found God. There are many examples of stage Blue Christians converting Red criminals to Blue believers. This is what evangelicals and fundamentalists are all about. It's a crude, manipulative, self-serving sort of empathy.


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This guy is the epitome of a systems thinker. Amazing!

He makes all other political analysis seem like the work of shit-eating cavemen.

 


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