Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread

[EddieEddie1995]

 

Yellow helping orange evolve too green !  This guy is Amazing ! 

Life Journey is real, but we need to go inward. We need(If we want to) to raise our consciousness . There is no external journey . We are the journey . But through "external life journey" (selfactualization) we find out that it is an illusion . 

 

Why this is a good idea for orange to evolving into green . 

In this case orange believes that life journey is external materialistic world where we chase for rewords that stage orange ego wants , but doesent realize that they are living an illusion(in this case ideology) that is created by orange society ego .

The best way to emerge into green and integrate it is to :

1. see that this way of seeing the life journey is not fulfilling and stop exhausting your self with orange values by deconstructing them

2. throw away your mask and integrate your shadow 

3. and comfort your self  in a way better feeling ideology ( im integrating green, oh it feels so nice / in compering it to my orange believes that im invastigating, and that are stoping me relex and embrace my femenine  )

This is why I named my channel Alchemy 21. sentry 

I will try and introduce orange to green values , by making them integrate orange first . People in Serbia are not so high on the spiral and masllow hierarchy ( ther are not educated for healthy blue , ogrange values, and ofcourse cant study because they are trying to survive the narcisitic toxic country). They are highly blue and forced into orange by the marketing . So if you mix green values in orange structures as a belief it might work . I will try out that system . ( correct me if im wrong , Im just starting to learn about SD). What do you think about that idea ? Thank you Actualized.org , you helped me find my LP <3

This video also remaids me of misinterpretation of blue and below on the spiral of the alchemical process where you chaise for gold, and luckily realize that  it was there where you started hahah full circle And then you truely understand what the Alchemists or Mistics were talking about ! Ahaaaa, it is just like in the book "The Alchemist " , this is why this book moved me emotionally so much ! I was looking for enlightenment!  And thanks too Actualized.org I now had more  then 10 mystical experiences! <3

 

[Carl-Richard]

The way the lyrics were written reminds me of Yellow :

Talk, it's only talk
Arguments, agreements, advice, answers,
Articulate announcements
It's only talk

Talk, it's only talk
Babble, burble, banter, bicker bicker bicker
Brouhaha, boulder dash, ballyhoo
It's only talk
Back talk

Talk talk talk, it's only talk
Comments, cliches, commentary, controversy
Chatter, chit-chat, chit-chat, chit-chat,
Conversation, contradiction, criticism
It's only talk
Cheap talk

Talk, talk, it's only talk
Debates, discussions
These are words with a D this time
Dialogue, duologue, diatribe,
Dissention, declamation
Double talk, double talk

Talk, talk, it's all talk
Too much talk
Small talk
Talk that trash
Expressions, editorials, expugnations, exclamations, enfadulations
It's all talk
Elephant talk, elephant talk, elephant talk

Edited December 26, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

The epitome of a Yellow dialogue:

It's long, but notice how distinctly non-ideological and self-aware it is. Tier 2 stuff.

Notice how different Yellow is from Green.

[Evil Raccoon]

I honestly don't really undersatnd what Yellow is.Let me know if that was a shitty example.

 

[Joel3102]

@Leo Gura would you classify Weinstein as yellow? I know the left aren’t big fans of him 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

@Leo Gura would you classify Weinstein as yellow? I know the left aren’t big fans of him 

He's pretty Yellow.

Green progressives too quickly dismiss him because they confuse him with Orange and not being Green enough. Classic pre/trans fallacy.

[Joel3102]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He's pretty Yellow.

Green progressives too quickly dismiss him because they confuse him with Orange and not being Green enough. Classic pre/trans fallacy.

 

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He's pretty Yellow.

Green progressives too quickly dismiss him because they confuse him with Orange and not being Green enough. Classic pre/trans fallacy.

Yeah listening to the podcast he’s definitely quite a sophisticated thinker. So is the Charisma on Command guy

 

[Inner__Child]

I shouldn't have to share that I'm black but because of what I'm sharing below, context is important. Been stage green for the past 15 years or so (starting late high school), funny enough a few years ago when I was learning and practicing advaita vedanta was also consuming self orange material to have the tools needed to become financially independent...anyway, went down the alt right rabbit hole out of curiosity and began to understand how "evil" can be rationalized with logic. Certain facts about the material world are denied and discussing these in stage green circles results in accusations of being lower in the spiral and less developed. 

However, 2 years ago, I stumbled upon the Glenn Loury Show (often featuring John McWhorter), two ivy league professors (Glenn Loury- Economics,  & John McWhorter- Linguistics) whose podcast has been running for nearly 15 years and is the best stage yellow material I have come across when it comes to race. And for the record, neither of them are republican though Glenn Loury used to be until the mid 90s. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Raphael]

 

[Raphael]

 

[Carl-Richard]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The epitome of a Yellow dialogue:

It's long, but notice how distinctly non-ideological and self-aware it is. Tier 2 stuff.

Notice how different Yellow is from Green.

39:04-40:40 Reminds me of one time I talked about the difference between a Yellow approach to environmental issues like veganism vs. a Green approach, namely by taking a stategic, large-scale, "cold-hearted", statistical approach with the right values in mind, instead of merely changing your personal consumer habits as a compassionate emotional response to visceral images of things like animal suffering or social injustice. That way it cuts through the traps of confusing real solutions with adopting an identity.

[DocWatts]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

39:04-40:40 Reminds me of one time I talked about the difference between a Yellow approach to environmental issues like veganism vs. a Green approach, namely by taking a stategic, large-scale, "cold-hearted", statistical approach with the right values in mind, instead of merely changing your personal consumer habits as a compassionate emotional response to visceral images of things like animal suffering or social injustice. That way it cuts through the traps of confusing real solutions with adopting an identity.

Incredibly well said. Great example of 'transcend and include' as well, which also demonstrates a core difference between the statistical approaches of Orange and Yellow. I might also emphasize to Green that adopting a Vegan or a highly Eco-conscious lifestyle in a developed country like the United States is something of a privilege, and that there's a number of constraints that make this an unrealistic option for ordinary people who may be living in food-deserts, lacking in education, or facing survival challenges that make your values inimical to their way of life.

[Carl-Richard]

Credits to The_Alchemist for finding this picture:

Perfect illustration of the differences between Yellow vs. Orange, Kuhnian philosophy vs. logical positivism, revolutionary science vs. normal science, scientific genius vs. popularizer, paradigmatic vs. formal operational cognition, epistemological awareness vs. blindness.

[Leo Gura]

21 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Credits to The_Alchemist for finding this picture:

Perfect illustration of the differences between Yellow vs. Orange, Kuhnian philosophy vs. logical positivism, revolutionary science vs. normal science, scientific genius vs. popularizer, paradigmatic vs. formal operational cognition, epistemological awareness vs. blindness.

Add Sean Carrol, Sam Harris, and Daniel Dennet to the idiot column for completeness

And add Newton, Leibniz, Godel, and Cantor to the real scientist column.

[Rilles]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Add Sean Carrol, Sam Harris, and Daniel Dennet to the idiot column for completeness

And add Newton, Leibniz, Godel, and Cantor to the really scientist column.

Science vs Scientism. 

[Value]

13 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Credits to The_Alchemist for finding this picture:

Perfect illustration of the differences between Yellow vs. Orange, Kuhnian philosophy vs. logical positivism, revolutionary science vs. normal science, scientific genius vs. popularizer, paradigmatic vs. formal operational cognition, epistemological awareness vs. blindness.

Great stuff

[Megan Alecia]

Bunch of dirty *not so* old social Fives

Edited December 29, 2020 by Megan Alecia

[JustinNashville]

First time poster and new to this so forgive me for stupid questions!

I've read that men like Jesus, Aristotle, Plato and the Buddha are Yellows.  They all existed 2000+ years ago though.  If people have to go through each level below, then how can they be Yellow when Orange didn't come into existence until 300 years ago and Green later than that and Yellow later than that?  One of the assumptions is incorrect if they are Yellows or they are not Yellows.  When they were alive the highest level of consciousness was only Blue therefore they can't be more than Blue.  A possible argument could be made that Jesus / Buddha aren't really only men (which can't be proven or denied) but that argument can't be made about Plato and Aristotle. I'm confused here.

 

Thoughts?

Justin

[seeking_brilliance]

31 minutes ago, JustinNashville said:

First time poster and new to this so forgive me for stupid questions!

I've read that men like Jesus, Aristotle, Plato and the Buddha are Yellows.  They all existed 2000+ years ago though.  If people have to go through each level below, then how can they be Yellow when Orange didn't come into existence until 300 years ago and Green later than that and Yellow later than that?  One of the assumptions is incorrect if they are Yellows or they are not Yellows.  When they were alive the highest level of consciousness was only Blue therefore they can't be more than Blue.  A possible argument could be made that Jesus / Buddha aren't really only men (which can't be proven or denied) but that argument can't be made about Plato and Aristotle. I'm confused here.

 

Thoughts?

Justin

I think they realized their rainbow nature ?? which transcends chronological progression of spiral colours

[DocWatts]

1 hour ago, JustinNashville said:

First time poster and new to this so forgive me for stupid questions!

I've read that men like Jesus, Aristotle, Plato and the Buddha are Yellows.  They all existed 2000+ years ago though.  If people have to go through each level below, then how can they be Yellow when Orange didn't come into existence until 300 years ago and Green later than that and Yellow later than that?  One of the assumptions is incorrect if they are Yellows or they are not Yellows.  When they were alive the highest level of consciousness was only Blue therefore they can't be more than Blue.  A possible argument could be made that Jesus / Buddha aren't really only men (which can't be proven or denied) but that argument can't be made about Plato and Aristotle. I'm confused here.

 

Thoughts?

Justin

While people like Aristotle and Plato were very advanced for thier time, it helps to place them in a historical context. The dominant SD-stage during thier era was Red, with Athenian Democracy representing very early Blue. Aristotle and Plato would probably be better classified as incredibly high functioning Blue. Remember that the emergence of Blue was a sign of moral progress at that time.

The Systems Thinking approach of Yellow would have been highly unlikely to develop in such an early era, before there was a cultural, philosophical, and scientific framework available to help facilitate it.

As to Jesus and Buddha, that's a bit trickier, since it's hard to separate the historical person and thier teaching from the thousands of years of mythology that developed around them; someone else might have more insights here.

Edited December 30, 2020 by DocWatts