If you self-identify with any upper SD stage, you're CRINGE

[Leo Gura]

Kanye is more mentally unhinged than Trump.

[integration journey]

Honestly it would be great to have another insightful actualized spiral dynamics video like this one. 
So many topics were interconnected in this video 

 

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[Carl-Richard]

@integration journey Or just read The Listening Society. Wonderful critique and contextualization of SD. Just ask AI for a summary, it could help a lot of issues and questions raised in this thread and by the OP.

[oOo]

To me, its much less about unhinged-ness and much more the possibility that in this case, there's going to be world war three.

Kanye facilitates a radically different interdependent social reality within the White House, working staff and tribal reaches.

Trump has an authority complex, so socially this creates a vacuum around his decision making that becomes black and white.

Kanye would invariably listen to people more and his environment in general, intuitively responding through a better consensus over the consensus merely being established by erratic tunnel vision.

This is because in part, to bring it back to spiral dynamics (sorry to the naysayers on my use of spiral dynamics I just use spiral dynamics as a cultural reference; so work on your critical thinking) Kanye is far more developed in stage green than Trump. 

Green invariably wants to learn and move higher despite dogmatic thinking due to a lack of developed intellectual integration, the people around  Kanye would have facilitated a more sophisticated management of his ego in this regard compared to how Trump is able to be managed @Leo Gura .

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[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, oOo said:

the people around  Kanye would have facilitated a more sophisticated management of his ego in this regard compared to how Trump is

No way to do I buy that.

Kanye's people are bigger ass-lickers than Trump's.

The notion that we need a team of people to manage the mental delusions, egotism, and immorality of the President is crazy in itself. The President needs to be a shining example of mental calmness and sanity, without even breaking a sweat. If he struggles with it, he's unsuited for the job.

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[oOo]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No way to do I buy that.

Kanye's people are bigger ass-lickers than Trump's.

Kanye's people would evolve as Kanye evolved.

Trump voters, even if Trump evolved, would still be stuck in the image of Trump, on average.

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The notion that we need a team of people to manage the mental delusions, egotism, and immorality of the President is crazy in itself. The President needs to be a shining example of mental calmness and sanity, without even breaking a sweat. If he struggles with it, he's unsuited for the job.

Presidential work requires a constant management of delusions, egotism and immorality because of the many different systems that one has to find the balance between, when quite often, the president is never going to be the Dalai Lama, much less the Dalai Lama with many surrounding seeking the same level of equanimous consciousness. 

[Ulax]

1 hour ago, oOo said:

@Ulax How do people against Trump as president, not wish that Kaye instead was?

All those Trump haters were Kanye doubters. So they only have themselves to blame for that.

It's an interesting exercise to try to imagine the kind of changes Kanye would have wanted to create.

It's now a trope that creative people get stifled down to be less creative when they speak in a language style that is uncomfortable for people.

Then they get bullied, when their creativity is not a performance but a way of how their consciousness just is. 

I am not saying I supported Kanye, I am saying there's a meaningful enough difference that Kanye was genuinely the better choice despite what others may believe. 

I'd be happy to have a rational dialogue on it.

I like old Kanye. I dislike new, political Kanye