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@VioleGrace Forget about Sasha, there's nothing to emulate there if you're serious about this shit, other than the fact that he's approaching, which is the bare minimum if you want results. This is a huge topic, but basically when you're approaching a woman you should be grounded and unreactive first. Meaning that you speak at your own pace, you have relaxed body language, steady eye contact and a voice coming straight from the diaphragm. If you ever meditated for 20-30 minutes, you'd know the feeling: just extremely present without feeling the need to perform or react to your environment. Every movement, every word, every expression is intentional and deliberate. At the same time, you should ooze a fun sensual vibe. So you're free flowing, self-amused and fun in your expression, but there's also a strong sexual aspect to it, as well. Think of any suave fictional character that you may know of, coupled with a strong dominance, boundaries and unshakableness. This is extremely hard to describe with words, but here are some habits that will help bring that forth: 1. Meditate daily for 20-30 minutes (Groundedness) 2. Cut out porn completely and limit masturbation to once every 1-2 weeks MAX (Sensuality) 3. Approach a lot with the intention of having fun talking to girls rather than to get a result for the first 3-5 interactions in a session. (Fun) 4. Have a list of standards that a girl has to meet for you to pursue her. Those include internal traits as well as how she needs to behave while interacting with you. Read the list daily. (Dominance)

Non conformity is also conformity. The only way out is to do what one wants to do just cause one wants to. I do agree with the goldeb rule you shared though.

Nah. Not yet. Im still young. I will try to find an all around 10 first. If that doesnt work out then I'll see about your advice.

Uh, I actually do care that my friends are top tier as well. I don't hang around men I don't deeply respect on some regard. And yeah, my experience dating top tier women has also been that they suck at being in a relationship. They expect the world but suck at reciprocating. But in my experience, that can be "trained" in them. These women are not used to being told no or being put in their place, so when you do that as a man, it hits them 10x harder and will fight to keep you as you're such a rarity to them

I dont host events with hotter girls. I fuck hotter girls.

Brother, I didnt say they ugly. I said they're not 10s in my book. I can get girls like this easily through a session of daygame or nightgame, so it doesn't justify me going through all the shit you have to go through to build a "high value social circle" if this is the quality im getting. But then again, thats my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

Good for him. The rest of us will just sit here getting actual results while he does that.

Brother I have 10 years of pickup experience. If there's one thing that I understand very well is attraction and women. Yeah, having fun and being loose is PART of being attractive. But that has to be balanced with grounded masculinity and sensuality and dominance. Sasha comes across as an ungrounded, weird, man child that is trying waaayyy too hard. There's no tension in his interactions, no dominance, no sense that he's dangerous or preselected in any way.

Pickup isnt about comedy. Its about results. The results are being an attractive man that women gravitate to. The infield that you shared is his most well known one and he sucks in it. None of the women are attracted to him. They view him as a nuicance at worst, a clown at best. Sure, he may be teaching you how to bring the fun back in pickup, but that doesnt make him a master. Not even close Is someone teaching you how to make fitness fun a master of fitness? No. The guy who gets you the body that you want in a reasonable amount of time and who is very knowledgeable on the subject is. Sashas game is beginner level at best. Wouldnt even call him an intermediate.

@Valach I dont necessarily want a materialistic woman. I've dated one before and was perpetually annoyed by her. Just because a woman is well put together and wears designer things doesnt mean she's materialistic necessarily (although it definitely is a symptom). What I do want, is a top tier girl who I would feel represents the culmination of all the work I've put into myself. I could not be with an average in attractiveness girl, without feeling like I'm settling when I know I can attract better.

@CARDOZZO The moment you put Sasha daygame as a master, you lost all credibility.

I want to hear from the women here mostly, but also from the men who have successfully attracted a high quantity and quality of women in their lives. For many years, I believed the mantra "Looks and Money don't matter as long as you have good game," which was popularized by dating companies such as RSD back in the day. While that was a great delusional belief to get me started on approaching women and getting busy, over 10 years ago now, I have since learned that that wasn't entirely true. My results with women have definitely dramatically increased since taking care of my appearance more (grooming, fitness, fashion) and as I worked on other areas of my life too. Yet even then, I still bought into a lot of pickup artist concepts, such as being a Lover (the fun, short term, dominant, masculine guy that women have quick meaningless sex with) over a Provider (the boyfriend, the stable and secure type of guy with a good job) and as a result never cared too much about having a lot of money in relation to dating. However, now, I'm at a weird place in my life. Casual relationships are no longer doing it for me and I have decided to pursue the highest quality of women that I can in order to settle down with one and live happily ever after. These women are glamorous, have good jobs, very pretty, are posted on instagram with Louis Vuiton bags and Gucci and Versace. Of course, not all of them are like this, but I have noticed that the most beautiful women do seem to have their lives very well together. And, naturally, this aroused a lot of insecurity in me as of late. I'm not super secure financially -- dont even have a drivers license -- which is something that I'm actively working on. This has never been a concern for me before, as mentioned, but now that Im actually interested in a long term relationship, it's starting to weigh in on my confidence. I've dated VERY attractive women before, women of high status in my city and even attracted local celebrities, so i know it's possible but I still feel insecure about it. This is magnified further cause a woman I've been seeing lately started being slow to respond to my texts after coming over to my place for the first time (we always went to hers until then), and my mind is constructing this narrative around her losing interest because she realized I'm not financially more abundant than her. Who knows, though. I know some will say "dont worry about women now and just focus on your finances" but I don't want to reject myself and, to be honest, I want to prove to myself that I can do it regardless. So my question is as follows: How does money influence a man's attractiveness in a woman's eyes? Especially now that women seem to be way more financially secure than most men?

What the fuck are "condoms"? Huh?

You're in the wrong paradigm brother. You see people in relationships everyday when you walk down the street. You think all these men in healthy, happy relationships with attractive women are doing all this bullshit to keep her entertained and around? Fuck no. Listen bro, I've been in the game for 10 years and I'm telling you the highest form of game doesnt rely on push pulls, negs, spikes, dopamine, or whatever else you said. It relies on who you are as a man. It's about your vibe, your values, your subtle dominance, the way you carry yourself through life, your masculinity, your humour, your WAY OF BEING! All pickup techniques are pointing you in this direction. The goal isnt to become the world best manipulator. It's to become a cool guy. Thats what pickup techniques are emulating: Cool Guys. They're a vehicle -- training wheels -- to get you there, not the destination itself. Once you reach that point, game becomes super easy. You show up as a self loving strong man and the right women get drawn in and are hooked for life. They dont need you to keep DOING shit for them to stay. They're deeply attracted to you. To your ESSENCE. Game is just a tool to get you there bro. And I understand this might be too high level for you. A lot of guys have to go through the journey before they finally realize they're enough, because they come from such a low place and have such a low perception of themselves that the only way they could picture a girl liking them is by DOING something more than just showing up. It doesn't compute that they can just BE. "I was being myself my whole life and no girl ever wanted me, so this is BS advice! Teach me the game, tell me how to do or become something MORE than what I am, because who I am is inherently not enough!" And that's because who you currently are is insecure, lacking self respect, supplicative, negative, unloving, bitter, resentful. The journey of pickup will eventually strip that all away by first giving you technique as a band aid solution until you slowly realize how your internal world is holding you back and finally make the decision to fucking LOVE YOURSELF. Then everything becomes easy. Good luck on your journey brother.

Random question, Leo. Did you actually care about these questions or did you ask that because you sensed that he wanted someone to ask him questions, as an act of empathy and love? Asking cause i want to be more loving myself. Although you prob wont admit it here where he can read it if thats the case lol