Why I Think Magic Is Real

[kavaris]

You might even say, Egyptians realized how important language was, and Magi realized how important song, rhythm + hymn was, though im over simplifying the most complicated story, but its an interesting thought to think about. You cant have language without "tone" and "rhythm", you cant have rhythm without the language that describes that rhythm, or rather, the words that give rise to rhythm.

In a world of silence and pictographs, theres still tones, colors and rhythms happening in the way each shape or section relates, textures and tiling, or lines that interweave, blending of colors, etc.

Edited Thursday at 07:28 AM by kavaris

[Davino]

That's metaphysically accurate. However what is realized in such higher states of consciousness is usually reinterpreted wrongly from the human frame, ending in wishful, magical and mythical thinking.

Then you start believing that maybe Jesus did walk on water because you realize that is technically possible and that Muhammed did cut the moon in half and rejoined it, depending on your background, etc.

This is a trap I've just become aware, the higher levels of consciousness opened my mind so much that irrational and mythical allegories seemed much more plausible than what they actually and most probably are.

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

I would be interested what your response to my points is.

Sit down and test your theory.

Sit down and manifest a diamond.

[Stick]

On 9/22/2026 at 10:08 AM, aurum said:

Unless you are imagining that you can't.

Then just stop imagining that you can't. 

[kavaris]

Diamond and Adamantite / Adaman-\* are from the same root, "really hard stone stones", alas thats so weird... Did they just call all things Adamantine diamonds (jk, thatd be crazy.. maybe they did tho iuno... "Look at this puzzlingly hard diamond... Look at this puzzlingly hard diamond"

I guess its also why diamonds dont have a stronger presence in the ancient attestations, or i dont remember any atm. Iuno im getting off topic, but magic i think is always connected w that nature world too, probably, and how it worked (back then)

[AtmanIsBrahman]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sit down and test your theory.

Sit down and manifest a diamond.

I am running some experiments right now.

[Pudgey]

And no physical manifestation will happen. 

I'm confident to say and have directly experience this on Ayahuasca: God has barred us humans to from certain magical abilities. It's like we have a 'great firewall' and God won't allow for such nonsense to happen, even if you were the most conscious person on earth. 

[iceprincess]

manifestation is real. 

sadhguru also says manifestation is real. 

 

[Yimpa]

5 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

I am running some experiments right now.

You are a diamond in the ruff. Keep being you  

[BlessedLion]

23 hours ago, Pudgey said:

And no physical manifestation will happen. 

I'm confident to say and have directly experience this on Ayahuasca: God has barred us humans to from certain magical abilities. It's like we have a 'great firewall' and God won't allow for such nonsense to happen, even if you were the most conscious person on earth. 

Yeah, i think it's something like this. Similar to how you cannot go into another person consciousness (I can't see what my friend in Europe is looking at right now) that has a strong firewall that doesn't get fucked with

[LastThursday]

My feeling on it is that magic/k is not what most people want it to be. Literally immediately manifesting solid objects is not going to happen, or 1 million of your currency in your bank account. It's more about shifting probabilities and becoming more attuned to your reality.

It's all about coherence. Reality seems to have a strong preference for things making sense and hanging together - so magic has to work within the bounds of that restriction. But if you give up the idea that reality is completely deterministic, then you open up the possibility that you can "guide" or "bend" the outcomes of reality while maintaining coherence. 

When things go out of your conscious awareness, where do they go? They kind of slip into an amorphous soup of probability, at that point things can become a little looser and that's where reality can bend. And when they slip back into conscious awareness they are changed, but still coherent. Magic has to work on the things you're not currently aware of, because that's when they're most pliable.

We're also constantly getting information about things outside of normal conscious awareness (such as synchronicities and so on), but you can become more attuned to them and learn to understand that information. There's a kind of "leakiness" to reality's goings on, see it like a distribution, with the normal stuff being extremely common, but the more whacky stuff still possible just not very common. It's also possible to shift the probabilities so that the whacky stuff happens a little bit more.

What makes magic seemingly so random is that coherence must be kept at all times, and so the whacky stuff that happens must fit into that frame.

[Oppositionless]

Some studies have shown statistical effects on random number generators over hundreds of thousands of trials but no dramatic siddhis have ever been verified. I do think raising your consciousness and generally having good vibes leads to more oppurtunities, but i wouldn't count on it reliably causing things to manifest out of thin air.

Edited 2 hours ago by Oppositionless

[kavaris]

Also consider the probability of this exact moment is happening.

Thats kind've sort've like probability. How would you have imagined it from 10 years prior. Its impossible. From the pasts perspective, something totally improbable Has Happened, in the future (presently, this exact configuration). Ive moved like 16 times, but i could see how ppl living in perfect circular routines just see it as a circle, w/ minimal changes. Let your life fall apart, And youll discover it can change 16 times. Can you survive that amount of improbable probabilities is the question.

[Verdesbird]

On 22/09/2026 at 3:18 AM, Leo Gura said:

The flaw in this logic is the conflation of what "you" means.

You are God but your ego is not Omnipotent. Your logic tries to make the ego Omnipotent, which is a mistake.

You can just observe that your thoughts do not directly manifest themselves.

You can sit for 12 hours straight visualizing a lightning bolt will kill you, and no bolt will hit you. This proves the ego's thoughts do not directly materialize. But they can indirectly, like if you think about chasing tornados, lightning is more likely to hit you.

Magic is real for God, not for the ego. Magic is Infinity, but ego is finite. To have magic you have to surrender the ego's attachment to outcome, even attachment to staying alive. Then magic will happen. As long as ego is trying to manipulate Reality, that's not magic, that's survival, that's business as usual.

The ego is sneaky, it wants to use God to manipulate Reality for survival. But that isn't Good, that's evil. That's what every dicatator does. Kings and tyrants believe their will is God's Will, which delusional.

Have you done magick before?

Dont think people involved in this lacks ego...

 

Stay well,like very much your forum