Leo

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

In the end, everything comes down to who is right?

You place your bet, and I will place mine, and we'll see if the coin is heads or tails.

Sure

[Leo Gura]

@Carl-Richard Maybe you're too sober, sir. Maybe some salvia will clear up all your concerns.

Maybe when salvia rips you a new asshole you'll empathize with Leo a bit more.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Carl-Richard Maybe you're too sober, sir. Maybe some salvia will clear up all your concerns.

Maybe when salvia rips you a new asshole you'll empathize with Leo a bit more.

Maybe I'm too far gone down the non-dual Buddhist rat rabbit hole. Maybe an old dog doesn't learn new tricks 🐕‍🦺

Edited 7 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

What do you think/feel when you see a collated review of past expletives from dialogues across the forum like this?

Do you chalk most of this up to frustration and heavily context driven?

Does it cause you to raise your standards for communication, or review them?

And the biggest question I am most curious about - if someone DID understand to the level or beyond, that you perceive yourself to understand, how would you know or identify this? What if you are failing to identify this simply because the words you choose differ in descriptive capacity to those another may use? Or do you look for some specific barometer of expression that would indicate someone on your level (so to speak)?

We know you are an introspective fella - genuinely curious. 

N.B. obviously you can choose not to answer, no pressure

Edited 6 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Maybe I'm too far gone down the non-dual Buddhist rat rabbit hole. Maybe an old dog doesn't learn new tricks 🐕‍🦺

I still believe in you!

It's never too late for salvia

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Does being highly egoic, highly judgemental, highly in need of asserting superiority, to put things down, to speak in a highly charged and emotional language, affect your ability to see things clearly, to make contact with reality, or not?

Consider that you might dislike many arrogant statements not because they are arrogant but because they are untrue. It might not be as much that you dislike the statement "I'm the most awake person in the universe" because it's arrogant, but because you think it's in any reasonable estimation not true.

And you should sometimes trust your estimation of things. They might be entirely correct, and you might be fooling yourself that they aren't, perhaps for some other virtuous reason: "I can be given Absolute Truth, if only I accept this possibility. Maybe the arrogance is just noise, maybe my strong disgust and disbelief is an ego-defense mechanism". And that's ironically a perfect way to self-deceive yourself.

And what's the alternative to making such harsh and egoic statements about everything (and I mean literally everything, read Leo's blog, as @Joshe pointed out and which you should be perfectly aware of by now anyway)? What is it that Leo puts down so often? What is it that these other teachers teach where the goal is seeing through the illusion of the ego, seeing through the illusion of flashy experiences, of cool insights into the play of mind and Maya? It's the teaching of Enlightenment.

What is it that countless of highly conscious and respectful and virtuous people have left the forum over or been kicked out over for daring to speak favorly of? @Moksha @Nahm @Tim R @mandyjw @Consilience Enlightenment. Are you for enlightenment or are you for chasing ever more flashy and impressive experiences, ever more flashy hallucinations during psychedelic trips, ever more flashy existential insights thrown up by your hallucinatory human mind? Just so you're not confused, Leo seems to be quite clearly for the latter, not the former.

It should be about your own personal journey.  What others claim or don't claim..well..try to discover whats true for you.  Another person's experience can be known only through your experience.  So how much value do you want to put in it?  Take what you can from books and teachers for your own journey and leave the rest.   If your authority is in yourself then this becomes a moot point.   I've criticized Leo in the past as well but understand that the casual posting here and the episodes are two vastly different things.  All my awakenings have been sober and I have to say that I have had just about all the awakenings mentioned in his many facets of awakenings episode.  Some I had before he did (he may disagree but he can look.back at our exchange in 2018) this was Absolute Solipsism as God.  The alien stuff and all that well.  I can only reference what I've validated but I rule nothing out.  And I can tell you the ego being an illusion is just one (although paramount and for me the one that opened and expanded Consciousness opening the door to even more) facet.   So perhaps one day ill try psychedelics and be mind fucked.  When you do really realize that other beings are fictions of your mind as God then you tend to not worry about it so much.  If you worried about him misleading others there is only so much you can control.  Like I said i validated almost all the facets in that episode.. so he can't be a false prophet 😉  that's what mattered to me in my journey.  Not.how egotistical he he was on a forum post.  Heck we all have work to do in that area

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Inliytened1

[ZenSwift]

On 3/14/2026 at 6:12 PM, Leo Gura said:

Try running a business while you take 5-MeO-DMT 90 days in a row. See how that works out for ya.

When exactly was this stint?

[ZenSwift]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, I have no traumas.

Leo, what exactly do you mean by this? What is your definition of trauma?

My definition of trauma may be very unique. As an individual that has learned how to desensitize traumas for people. My definition of Trauma is anything that has happened to you in the past that bothers you in the present, typically an emotion that is being held in the body, leading you to have an over-sensitized response to something.

[ZenSwift]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I used psychedelics to clear out all my trauma. There is none left.

How did you get to the point of saying that there is none left? How would one know if there if none left?

How open would you be to sharing how one would identify and tackle their trauma using psychedelics?
Also, what do you attribute the label of 'trauma' to?

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, ZenSwift said:

My definition of Trauma is anything that has happened to you in the past that bothers you in the present, typically an emotion that is being held in the body, leading you to have an over-sensitized response to something.

Yes. That's what I mean.

I don't have that.

I have regrets about mistakes I made, but that ain't trauma.

11 minutes ago, ZenSwift said:

How did you get to the point of saying that there is none left? How would one know if there if none left?

When your past don't bother you.

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How open would you be to sharing how one would identify and tackle their trauma using psychedelics?
Also, what do you attribute the label of 'trauma' to?

It ain't complicated.

Take the psychedelic and then ask, "Okay, show me all my trauma." And then just be ready to re-live it.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, ZenSwift said:

When exactly was this stint?

I don't want to give a date right now.

I can't reveal everything yet.

[bazera]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't want to give a date right now.

I can't reveal everything yet.

Wait, I thought you were referring to a solo retreat that you did which was followed by a video called "Outrageous experiments with consciousness" if I remember correctly.

[ZenSwift]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't want to give a date right now.

I can't reveal everything yet.

Aight, no worries, I've got better questions for you anyways, just figuring out how to formulate them... 

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Take the psychedelic and then ask, "Okay, show me all my trauma." And then just be ready to re-live it.

Noted. Thankyou. 
 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, bazera said:

Wait, I thought you were referring to a solo retreat that you did which was followed by a video called "Outrageous experiments with consciousness" if I remember correctly.

That was ages ago.

No.

I did way crazier shit than that.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, ZenSwift said:

My definition of trauma may be very unique. As an individual that has learned how to desensitize traumas for people. My definition of Trauma is anything that has happened to you in the past that bothers you in the present, typically an emotion that is being held in the body, leading you to have an over-sensitized response to something.

Anything emotionally disruptive that has happened to you in the past that affects you in the present in the direction of pathology (or coping mechanisms for that pathology), which is always a spectrum. Trauma means "wound".

Edited 3 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[zurew]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Apologies for my rudeness.

Look I appreciate that, but thats not my main issue.

I have some unhinged posts (not as unhinged as what you said, but still unhinged), but thats just one thing. 

A much bigger issue is being unhinged and then thinking that you were perfectly justified in being that unhinged and then combining that with using a  plausible deniability tactic later when pushed on it and reframing things in a way thats dishonest given all the context of a given case. For instance you didnt ban flyboy because you had the wellbeing and the development of others in mind, you banned that person mainly because you were angry and you had an outburst like all people time to time.

I don’t think Flyboy did anything particularly exceptional in that thread, that people who strongly disagree with you on spiritual matters don’t usually engage in. You had to edit that post to give a false explanation why you did what you did, and you also had to edit it because you included the sentence "If you try corrupt my teachings, I will fucking kill you".  https://www.reddit.com/r/nonduality/comments/11xndwf/is_this_enlightenment/

You just layed down your rhetorical tactic in front of us in this thread - if an apology is given to strategically avoid drama and not because you genuinely think you engaged in a behavior that you shouldnt have engaged in - then that perfectly explains why you always fall back on a general tendency and it isnt just about your personality, but it is about what you genuinely believe in and about how you see the world and other people. Like you thinking more about "Look I dont give a fuck about any of this human drama shit, can we move the fuck on? Let me think about what behavior should I engage in and what I need to explicitly say and how I should pretend that im sorry, so that I can reach and realize my goals on this forum and avoid drama the most effective way" rather than having an internal dialogue driven by your conscience like "Where did I actually fuck up and did I actually engage in an unfair treatment, do I really think that I fucked up somewhere and if where and how and how can I change that?"

 

 

 

As others have already layed down, you seem to have this general tendency in how you approach things and how you think about others and how you seem to look down on others.

And the story that you tell about it how thats not the case and how you dont feel superior just simply doesnt match the general tendency that you outplay.

You value intelligence a lot, probably the most, given you take it that intelligence is whats needed for understanding and in your model intelligence is just how much consciousness you have. And given that you take it that you had orders of magnitude higher consciousness than any other being in the Universe, you dont even look at yourself as a human anymore and you almost take it like you belong to a completely new and different species.

There isnt any single instance where spiritual disagreement with others isn't automatically interpreted by you as them lacking intelligence rather than as them being equal and there being a genuine disagreement or as them offering something that you dont know or lack.

 

Given the lack of behavior change (your natural tendency is to fall back on a particular behavior over and over again even if your skill to consciously  overwrite it gets slightly better over time) and how hard it is for you to change that and how you need to exert consciously a lot of power to no want to look at forum users as just some incredibly stupid pigs and rats, it makes me think you do actually deep down think that everyone other than you is just like that.  And the reason probably why you say you dont is to strategically and consciously avoid drama and to calm people down when they get offended by not just what you explicitly call them , but by your general  treatment of them. For instance, you almost always end almost all disagreements with "You dont understand what im saying, im more awake than you, I wont explain this to you cause you wont get it" etc.

All this stuff about behavior change feels more like about being a strategic tactic to do things more effectively to reach and actualize your goals and feels much less about you having a deep conscience driven desire to change because you genuinely think that you fucked up and you genuinely think and belive that other people are not below you.

Improving your behavior feels more about improving your ability to actualize and reach your goals, than about having an internal desire to become a better person.

Edited 2 hours ago by zurew

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Not.how egotistical he he was on a forum post.  Heck we all have work to do in that area

These patterns are not simply "egotistical". They're structural and they have real consequences. 

Also, you can't view these statements in isolation. You have to put them all together. It's not about any one statement. 

If you want to know what makes someone tick, ask yourself the question: What could this statement be doing for the self that is making it?

When you apply that question to year's worth of statements and the same pattern keeps showing up, that's a strong signal.

For example: 

"I am the only creature on this planet who is AWAKE". How could that stabilize the self? If you're the only one awake, everyone else is asleep. It elevates oneself above ALL others. This is the theme.

"Which is why I'm here and you're there." How does this stabilize the self? Positions above and the other below. This is the architecture in it's most naked form.

"You have no idea the intellect you are dealing with". How could that stabilize the self? Asserts intellectual dominance. Positions them above and the other below. 

"I am very casual in my communications. But this creates a false sense that you will outsmart me. If I was a professor at Harvard you would relate to me with a lot more seriousness. But you are dealing with a greater intelligence than that here. Be careful underestimating it."

Leo said this after seeing where a user humanized him by saying he's human and fallible just like the rest of us. The Idealized Self swung into action and let them know deference should be their default attitude around him because they are most certainly not his equal and it's not even close. To prove that, he let them know that even the most prestigious intellects in the country can't touch his, and if they can't, who do you think you are?

Of course the Pride System can't just parade around like this without convincing itself AND you that the point is not about being superior, rather it's for YOUR benefit. He's only looking out for you, not asserting his superiority. Concern is the trojan horse. And when that doesn't work, what you perceive to be arrogance or superiority is your own projection or lack of understanding, which is effective because we can't know with certainty who and how Leo is.

Nonetheless, the same superiority pattern keeps coming.

[Sincerity]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Maybe I'm too far gone down the non-dual Buddhist rat rabbit hole. Maybe an old dog doesn't learn new tricks 🐕‍🦺

Bro, you’re not even 30 and you’re justifying a closed mind. 🤦‍♂️ Wtf am I reading? I assume this was a „joke”, but I feel like there’s honesty there shining through.

[zurew]

6 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Bro, you’re not even 30 and you’re justifying a closed mind. 🤦‍♂️ Wtf am I reading? I assume this was a „joke”, but I feel like there’s honesty there shining through.

Do you take it to be the case that Leo is closed minded?

[Sincerity]

1 minute ago, zurew said:

Do you take it to be the case that Leo is closed minded?

At least Leo is not saying that he’s „too far gone” into some way of thought, and that he’s too old to learn.

I think Leo is open-minded. But I can’t know that. I don’t really know him.

Many here paint him as arrogant and egoic. I don’t agree with that. They don’t see the sincerity that I see in him.

Have some charitability, for god’s sake. Where is the love?