Leo

[Leo Gura]

Yes, over ten years, I did post a few dozen posts that I regret and wish I could take back.

24/7/365 access to an online platform is dangerous because state and mood fuctuates.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Monster Energy]

@Leo Gura 

Is there ever going to be a day when you actually lay out everything you think you know about existence in detail? Even if there aren’t perfect words for it, are you at least going to try?

 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Monster Energy said:

@Leo Gura 

Is there ever going to be a day when you actually lay out everything you think you know about existence in detail? Even if there aren’t perfect words for it, are you at least going to try?

I have laid out a lot.

But yes. Books and courses are planned.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Monster Energy]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, over ten years, I did post a few dozen posts that I regret and wish I could take back.

Got it. But earlier you made it sound like if people actually knew or experienced what you have, it wouldn’t end well. That’s how I read it anyway, I was skimming.

 

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

But earlier you made it sound like if people actually knew or experienced what you have, it wouldn’t end well.

Not sure what you mean.

[Monster Energy]

@Leo Gura 

[Leo Gura]

Where did I say it doesn't end well?

The work is difficult. But you already knew that.

And I am hardcore. Most of y'all don't need to do what I do. I have a much higher standard to meet as a teacher that you don't need to reach as a civilian.

I have to know this material better than anyone on the planet. So I do some hardcore things to reach that which you guys don't need to do.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

46 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

@Leo Gura 

I think this points toward the limits of intimacy that can be achieved through a large social platform with some degree of anonymity to it. 

Radical honesty would be used against Leo imo. Which is why it is understandable there are some levels of intimacy never expounded upon.

Anyone in Leo's position would be wise to never ever reveal anything deeply personal through online mediums. 

Obviously this will lead to some level of disconnection from users / followers.  + Isolation for Leo (to a degree). The caveat being, it may dehumanise him in a way and justify some harsh judgement from others. From another pov it could be looked at as professionalism.

On the flipside, this means we only have his choice of expression to judge - and this topic is highlighting some of the worst of it. And it is not professional. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[ici]

2 hours ago, Sincerity said:

@zurew You know, I was a Mod here already when he made the aggressive posts. After seeing them, I was considering giving up my Mod position. But I decided to stick with it because "heck, I trust that it will pass. He's a good guy." And it did.

Shoulda given up your mod. My man gave me like 100 warnings 🤣

[Sincerity]

I think that many people unknowingly go with Leo into an unhealthy child-parent dynamic. As a rebel child, it can be felt as okay to shit on your parent because the parent is seen as "invincible". The child doesn't take responsibility for its indecency and unjust behaviour towards the parent, because it sees the parent as always above them.

This can be a basic dynamic when one feels that someone is an authority figure above them - not just a parent, but also eg. politicians, employers, teachers.

So it's "okay" to be unjust towards authority figures, ridicule, bemean, troll them. And the "authority" will probably not stoop to the same level and do the same to the "child", because they have a different view of the world since there is probably some reason why they're seen as this authority in the first place.

Will Leo ever make a thread here "here's all the unhinged shit Carl has said in his 16,000 posts"? And then pick 10 out of these 16K? Will Leo hyperfocus on another user's worldview and things they said and make it his mission to disprove that worldview? No. It's children who try to disprove the authority.

My point is that if you saw Leo as an equal, as the fellow human that he IS, you wouldn't need to go on a mission to disprove him. You would just focus on yourself. You would forgive the mistakes. Perhaps shift to another teacher who resonates more. But it's the people who DO see him internally as an authority that just HAVE to bring him down a peg. Basically, people insecure in their worldview.

In order to "heal", the child must let go of its childishness and acknowledge its lack of ownership for its indecent actions and attachment to the authority figure.

Here are a few clarifications:

• Even when someone is an equal, one can still recognize that this equal is much better at a particular than them. So there can be listening and a humble attitude for that particular thing. While still recognizing that the teacher is "one of us", that we have to treat him with love and understanding.
• Disagreement is of course healthy and it's fair to bring everyone's unconsciousness to light, if one perceives it. As long as it's done in a loving manner, it's completely fine. But a position of "I just have to debunk everything this person stands for" is not fine.
• I was speaking in general here, not just about the original post.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sincerity

[AerisVahnEphelia]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't do these attacks.

Keep the discussion respectful.

it's litteraly irony over irony, it was so obvious, read it again, find god.

 

[Sincerity]

18 minutes ago, ici said:

Shoulda given up your mod. My man gave me like 100 warnings 🤣

See this is exactly what I'm talking about in the post I just wrote above. Because I'm a Mod here ("""an authority""" 👻), you feel like it's okay to be unkind to me and lie. A perfect example.

I gave you 2 warnings. Two. One was for calling another user a hoe. And that was in 2024, btw.

So that's that.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sincerity

[PolyPeter]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The future can be better. That's what I work on every day.

✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨

[PolyPeter]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I do not care about other teachers. The only thing I care about is getting people to reach the consciousness I know exists.

This caught my eye

You said you don't care about teachers, only about getting people to the consciousness you know exists.

But consider: if a teacher with ten thousand followers actually reaches those states and comes back changed, their students don't need convincing. They don't believe it because you said so. They update because the person they already trust went somewhere real and returned different.

That's verified experience propagating through existing trust networks.

One awakened teacher might do more for your goal than years of direct outreach.

And yes, most teachers don't know how deep this goes.
That's exactly the point.
Imagine what happens when they find out.