Leo

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

In the end, everything comes down to who is right?

You place your bet, and I will place mine, and we'll see if the coin is heads or tails.

Sure

[Leo Gura]

@Carl-Richard Maybe you're too sober, sir. Maybe some salvia will clear up all your concerns.

Maybe when salvia rips you a new asshole you'll empathize with Leo a bit more.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Carl-Richard Maybe you're too sober, sir. Maybe some salvia will clear up all your concerns.

Maybe when salvia rips you a new asshole you'll empathize with Leo a bit more.

Maybe I'm too far gone down the non-dual Buddhist rat rabbit hole. Maybe an old dog doesn't learn new tricks 🐕‍🦺

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

What do you think/feel when you see a collated review of past expletives from dialogues across the forum like this?

Do you chalk most of this up to frustration and heavily context driven?

Does it cause you to raise your standards for communication, or review them?

And the biggest question I am most curious about - if someone DID understand to the level or beyond, that you perceive yourself to understand, how would you know or identify this? What if you are failing to identify this simply because the words you choose differ in descriptive capacity to those another may use? Or do you look for some specific barometer of expression that would indicate someone on your level (so to speak)?

We know you are an introspective fella - genuinely curious. 

N.B. obviously you can choose not to answer, no pressure

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Maybe I'm too far gone down the non-dual Buddhist rat rabbit hole. Maybe an old dog doesn't learn new tricks 🐕‍🦺

I still believe in you!

It's never too late for salvia

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Does being highly egoic, highly judgemental, highly in need of asserting superiority, to put things down, to speak in a highly charged and emotional language, affect your ability to see things clearly, to make contact with reality, or not?

Consider that you might dislike many arrogant statements not because they are arrogant but because they are untrue. It might not be as much that you dislike the statement "I'm the most awake person in the universe" because it's arrogant, but because you think it's in any reasonable estimation not true.

And you should sometimes trust your estimation of things. They might be entirely correct, and you might be fooling yourself that they aren't, perhaps for some other virtuous reason: "I can be given Absolute Truth, if only I accept this possibility. Maybe the arrogance is just noise, maybe my strong disgust and disbelief is an ego-defense mechanism". And that's ironically a perfect way to self-deceive yourself.

And what's the alternative to making such harsh and egoic statements about everything (and I mean literally everything, read Leo's blog, as @Joshe pointed out and which you should be perfectly aware of by now anyway)? What is it that Leo puts down so often? What is it that these other teachers teach where the goal is seeing through the illusion of the ego, seeing through the illusion of flashy experiences, of cool insights into the play of mind and Maya? It's the teaching of Enlightenment.

What is it that countless of highly conscious and respectful and virtuous people have left the forum over or been kicked out over for daring to speak favorly of? @Moksha @Nahm @Tim R @mandyjw @Consilience Enlightenment. Are you for enlightenment or are you for chasing ever more flashy and impressive experiences, ever more flashy hallucinations during psychedelic trips, ever more flashy existential insights thrown up by your hallucinatory human mind? Just so you're not confused, Leo seems to be quite clearly for the latter, not the former.

It should be about your own personal journey.  What others claim or don't claim..well..try to discover whats true for you.  Another person's experience can be known only through your experience.  So how much value do you want to put in it?  Take what you can from books and teachers for your own journey and leave the rest.   If your authority is in yourself then this becomes a moot point.   I've criticized Leo in the past as well but understand that the casual posting here and the episodes are two vastly different things.  All my awakenings have been sober and I have to say that I have had just about all the awakenings mentioned in his many facets of awakenings episode.  Some I had before he did (he may disagree but he can look.back at our exchange in 2018) this was Absolute Solipsism as God.  The alien stuff and all that well.  I can only reference what I've validated but I rule nothing out.  And I can tell you the ego being an illusion is just one (although paramount and for me the one that opened and expanded Consciousness opening the door to even more) facet.   So perhaps one day ill try psychedelics and be mind fucked.  When you do really realize that other beings are fictions of your mind as God then you tend to not worry about it so much.  If you worried about him misleading others there is only so much you can control.  Like I said i validated almost all the facets in that episode.. so he can't be a false prophet 😉  that's what mattered to me in my journey.  Not.how egotistical he he was on a forum post.  Heck we all have work to do in that area

 

 

Edited 56 minutes ago by Inliytened1