Being a real philosopher is a dirty job

[Alexop]

11 hours ago, Human Mint said:

That's only if you decide to do so, obviously.

Like you could just isolate yourself and do philosophy.

Of course, and this is what most serious philosophers do. Some come in front and deliver a sugar coated version of their understanding to the public. Not even Leo delivered his whole worldview to the public, even if he is the most straightforward philosopher I know. He held back his blackpill video, he deleted his solipsism video. He got massive backlash against some claims too. He saw it is counterproductive.

Edited 6 hours ago by Alexop

[Alexop]

29 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Alexop

You have some mid to strong observations that are now clearly layered in some frustration.

I would recommend asking yourself how philosophy may be affecting your life personally, before we argue generalities.

Obviously it affects my survival, it does the same to you if you are really serious about this work. And it especially affects your survival if you have a strong masculine personality. 

Why do we say: Ignorance is bliss?

Edited 16 hours ago by Alexop

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Alexop said:

I wanted to become a Leo figure since childhood, but realizing these facts in the recent years, I don't really know if I want to push so much truth onto people anymore.

Truth should not be pushed on people. There are still people who want truth, and that's enough. You don't need to force it.

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Truth should not be pushed on people. There are still people who want truth, and that's enough. You don't need to force it.

The problem Leo is that we dont have a sort of compass or structured way to spot fast if someone is one who want truth. Of course I can spot the ones who dont give a fuck about it. But the ones who may want Truth to the levels that you present or propose dont give explicit clues about that desire. If we just had some core questions to test the waters if some would be a recipent ready for even the beggining. I said here already that I tried gently share one of your videos, not even one of the most mindfucking ones to a good friend that I thought was opeiminded, some that even did a lot of psycadelics. And she couldn't even watch for 5 minutes. Someone who knows me and had sit in ceremony next to me with big doses of ayahuasca. And even she couldn't care about a video about Truth. So imagine a normy.

[Leo Gura]

@Rafael Thundercat Of course that level of caring about truth is rare.

You don't proactively go out looking for people to push your work on. You create your work and wait for people to come to you.

Philosophy is a niche thing, period. Always was.

Edited 13 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Joseph Maynor]

If you want to experience real pushback, start teaching spiritual enlightenment seriously and directly.  This is worse than teaching philosophy in terms of being a glutton for punishment.  And it will be all the spiritual teachers who will attack you, and people will call you a cult leader.

[Oppositionless]

10 hours ago, Alexop said:

 In order to realize deep Tier 2 actualization requires maybe 15 years of suffering. 

 

Sure but a little more awareness can reduce the amount drastically . You could have 15 years of normal up and down or 15 years of cancer.

[Joseph Maynor]

11 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Philosophy can be extremely intimate.  Pure Philosophy = Love Philosophy.

I love this.  This is next level for most people.  Beautiful.

[Alexop]

6 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

The problem Leo is that we dont have a sort of compass or structured way to spot fast if someone is one who want truth. Of course I can spot the ones who dont give a fuck about it. But the ones who may want Truth to the levels that you present or propose dont give explicit clues about that desire. If we just had some core questions to test the waters if some would be a recipent ready for even the beggining. I said here already that I tried gently share one of your videos, not even one of the most mindfucking ones to a good friend that I thought was opeiminded, some that even did a lot of psycadelics. And she couldn't even watch for 5 minutes. Someone who knows me and had sit in ceremony next to me with big doses of ayahuasca. And even she couldn't care about a video about Truth. So imagine a normy.

Exactly! You never know how much truth to reveal. This happened to me also! I shared the recent video about truth to a friend and was too much. I talked a lot about masculinity vs femininity with her and she was open-minded about it.

But Leo's statements that a woman is generally more prone to corruption because she tends to follow her feelings and feelings can be deceiving was too much. She said he is a misogynist. I forgot Leo said that in that video 😆 wouldn't have sent it to her.

Even those who claim that they are open to truth can close up rapidly.

Edited 7 hours ago by Alexop

[Alexop]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Truth should not be pushed on people. There are still people who want truth, and that's enough. You don't need to force it.

100%. I totally understand that. I did not want to sound in that way.

You have to intuite if a person is ready to hear something or not. How much truth is the person able to handle? Even if they say they are open to it, they might not. It is a dirty work because you deal with people's egos. You can fail not because your work is shit, you can fail because your work is too good, if you reveal it too much to the wrong people. 

Anyway, I appreciate your courage to share so much truth out there 🙏 I would feel uncomfortable to do that.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Alexop

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Alexop said:

How much truth is the person able to handle?

Yes, this requires lots of intuition and skill, which is developed through trial and error.

After a decade+ of doing this work and pushing truth on people, I have developed a very good intuition for when to back off and not push. But I'm still sometimes wrong because I don't know how much truth any particular person can stomach. I tend to overestimate it because I am a glutton for truth. But most people aren't like me.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AerisVahnEphelia]

"philosopher" or a way to justify being a jerk imposing his "truth".

I don't need justifications.

 

[yetineti]

@Alexop
 

My survival is aligned with Truth. There are no negative effects there.

It seems like the debate with how far to go with the Truth is personal to you and one you are debating with.

It can be easy to project it off on to others, especially when we see them react negatively to one of Leo’s videos or simple notions of Truth.

However, I’d argue you wouldn’t be focused on this if you weren’t regretting or debating how far you should be going or have gone with Truth yourself.

I asked a similar question for myself in a thread, recently.

’To live for Truth or by it,’ essentially.

Tricky decisions.

Edited 14 minutes ago by yetineti