ICE just murdered another one in the streets of Minnesota

[Raze]

[Breathe]

@Raze

32% unsure. Jesus.

Not sure who Polling USA is so who knows about the integrity of those polls.

Edited 13 hours ago by Breathe

[Yimpa]

https://www.threads.com/@bobbysanchezmusic/post/DT_fcA2kW1R?xmt=AQF0toofZUaCnF5renoDX0PZEgRs47cnsL-r4jjALZHGI9vCcoP1NXjx8eEJo7z2Xbvw9oyG&slof=1

[oldhandle]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Poll any Northern European country and it would be 1%. USA is still rotten to the core as much as you guys are trying to be optimistic. 

https://europeelects.eu/2024/11/04/u-s-election-europeans-would-vote-for-harris-if-they-could/

[Jannes]

 

[abundance]

4 hours ago, Raze said:

32% are unsure.....

 

This is the country that let Trump get in office TWICE. It pains me to say but many Americans are just rotten at their core. 

[oldhandle]

They really are, and that's why I left and will never live there again. I'd rather live in the worst shit hole of Europe (I don't, but I'd rather) than return. 

[Basman]

11 hours ago, zazen said:

Brilliant - that deserves its own thread.

I’d add this related vid:

The issue is anger is being polarized across cultural-identity politics lines which usually doesn’t bring a revolution but instead civil war. People need to coalition build and unite across class lines and challenge the power structure itself not simply “Trump” the scapegoat.

Protests only work when they’re disruptive to elite interest / the power structure. Ghandi made the status quo to costly through massive mobilized disobedience and disruption. Likewise with Mandela and ending of apartheid including with BDS movement - which is why it’s penalised or banned.

Frances’s Albanese got sanctioned and silenced the moment she started revealing the corporate profiteering off of the Gaza ethnic cleansing campaign, not before - despite her open critique of Israel. She said this on a interview with Chris Hedges.

Injustice needs to be made un-profitable, because profits hurt elite interests - who don’t care for change unless the cost of not changing crosses a certain threshold.

This can all be done peacefully but requires unity and patience - both of short supply.

This issue is more about the electorates relationship to politics and democratic decline among the population. People willingly vote in your Trumps and view ICE as the police "finally serving justice". Fundamentally there is an issue of distrust of government, finding it all too obtuse and resentment over economic exclusion and policy that didn't garner civic consent like migration. 

Pretty good illustration of what I mean of the mindset that a lot of this people have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiE_chT_Cl4

[Nercohype]

And this is all brought you by Anti-wokesim and far right lunacy. 32% unsure and 20% approved are all brainwashed, manipulated by the far right Christian nationalist and Russian scums. The Numbers would change of people had the real info. But they have been thought to disregard any "fake news". If we want to bring these Numbers down. We must start a war of information. We need to take down Fox News. And every far right media. Every far right podcaster and such must be held accountable. We must Sabotage their information networks. Disrupt their communication. We need people going inside those organizations and destroying it from within. We need people to set fires and whayever they can to disrupt the information. When it goes down.. Then people we see the real info and then things will change. 

[ted73104]

Not here to offend anyone, but I think Trump's policies are just very straightforward. He doesn't think about much details in his plan to deport illegal immigrants, he just wants to get illegal migrants out in the most brutal and effective manner. Now you got ICE.

[Breathe]

@ted73104 His policy is power and attention. The rest is just icing on the cake.

[Apparition of Jack]

10 hours ago, oldhandle said:

Alright I read all those screenshots, and hate to say it, but some seem so eloquent that it's hard to believe they're real. Where did you find them?

I got them on this thread. Some of them may be fake, I have no way of verifying where the OP got these screenshots, but it’s also possible a lot of them are real too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/s/5Lz8svJ1ne

[Kid A]

9 hours ago, Raze said:

Something tells me that there are many things those 32% are not sure about in life. Like how to open a door, how to eat pickles when you can’t get your head into the jar, or to vote for fascists led by a manchild or not.

[Ajay0]

16 hours ago, trenton said:

@DocWatts I just have a question. I remember Gandhi in India used civil disobedience to an extreme degree. This included nonviolence while the British were tying people to cannons and blowing out their guts.

This happened during the 1857 mutiny where Indian mercenaries fought against the east india company. The rebellion was put down by Indian mercenaries loyal to the company.

Violence was there during the non-violent movement , especially during the jallian wala bagh massacre where over a thousand Indian civilians were machine-gunned down by British forces. This however was instrumental in changing Gandhi from a supporter of the british empire demanding autonomy for India, to demanding total independence for India.

There was similar violence during the civil rights movement in the US, where police beat down African-American protesters, in what is known as 'bloody sunday'.  Just like the Jallianwala bagh massacre, this brought heavy international criticism of the American handling of the protestors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches

Dr. Martin Luther King continued with the civil rights movement however, and finally achieved the goals set by the movement, though he was shot dead in the process by a white segregationist.

[BlueOak]

2 hours ago, ted73104 said:

 he just wants to get illegal migrants out in the most brutal and effective manner

And you believe this is done via paramilitary in the streets?

I could right here and now give you 20 ways to do this more effectively, and there are people far more intelligent than I. It seems incredibly inefficient to send groups of individuals to arrest single immigrants, requiring many vehicles, and extra officers to handle crowds, or this case just shoot them. 

Its done to suppress civil society, suppress the democratic base, deport legal democratic voters also, cause fear and enough civil unrest to extend his term. This is why it's targeted in democratic areas, done with very little training: 11 times less than other police forces around the world, and done so heavy-handedly with maximum exposure.

Brutally yes, we are in agreement. Fear is the way of the dictator or authoritarian. Apparently filming this now labels you as a terrorist and you are put on a list. I am happily, along with almost everyone here, labelled as a terrorist against the American government already due to my disagreeing with their foreign policy. Dissent is all it takes. In fact filming is all it takes now.

[BlueOak]

For all the reasons I hated Russia shooting Ukrainians protesting.  I am now see that in America. It is a country run by fascists, that does whatever it wants around the world, invades whoever they like and kills anyone they like. Its a sad world that has become this, where the most powerful countries are all run by people who kill those who oppose them. And 50% of the American population are either in agreement with this or unsure if its bad or not.

It was always bad, but its just gone down much further than I thought possible.
A world war is almost inevitable.