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ICE just murdered another one in the streets of Minnesota

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@Raze

32% unsure. Jesus.

Not sure who Polling USA is so who knows about the integrity of those polls.

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4 hours ago, Raze said:

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32% are unsure.....

 

This is the country that let Trump get in office TWICE. It pains me to say but many Americans are just rotten at their core. 

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They really are, and that's why I left and will never live there again. I'd rather live in the worst shit hole of Europe (I don't, but I'd rather) than return. 

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11 hours ago, zazen said:

Brilliant - that deserves its own thread.

I’d add this related vid:

The issue is anger is being polarized across cultural-identity politics lines which usually doesn’t bring a revolution but instead civil war. People need to coalition build and unite across class lines and challenge the power structure itself not simply “Trump” the scapegoat.

Protests only work when they’re disruptive to elite interest / the power structure. Ghandi made the status quo to costly through massive mobilized disobedience and disruption. Likewise with Mandela and ending of apartheid including with BDS movement - which is why it’s penalised or banned.

Frances’s Albanese got sanctioned and silenced the moment she started revealing the corporate profiteering off of the Gaza ethnic cleansing campaign, not before - despite her open critique of Israel. She said this on a interview with Chris Hedges.

Injustice needs to be made un-profitable, because profits hurt elite interests - who don’t care for change unless the cost of not changing crosses a certain threshold.

This can all be done peacefully but requires unity and patience - both of short supply.

This issue is more about the electorates relationship to politics and democratic decline among the population. People willingly vote in your Trumps and view ICE as the police "finally serving justice". Fundamentally there is an issue of distrust of government, finding it all too obtuse and resentment over economic exclusion and policy that didn't garner civic consent like migration. 

Pretty good illustration of what I mean of the mindset that a lot of this people have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiE_chT_Cl4

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