High Achievers = Big Ego?

[Ishanga]

20 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Probably not because introversion is associated with lower brain volume, autism, and most mental illnesses.

 

I don't know if this is true, I'm pretty introverted now, maybe its due to age and experience (I don't like being in crowds and large groups nowadays, ppl are too crazy and dumb lol) so maybe my introversion is just that, but I spent allot of time alone in younger years and used it too learn and research/investigate, I think the youth of today are very different from past generations, but that is just an personal observation, I was outside most of the time when I was young, too much energy to burn to stay indoors and do nothing but when I had no choice I was still active in other ways,,Today the youth are addicted to tech/phones/social media and other such vices which is no good for them, they have no social skills either from what I understand generally speaking..

 

[Ishanga]

17 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

The soul is also capable of great things. It's not always the ego. Just look at Sadhguru, for instance.

this is true, ppl like him create their personality/ego consciously as a deliberate act, whereas most of us do it unconsciously, so ppl allow their ego's to take over and think it is what they are which is not truth..

[Schizophonia]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are nuts.

All of their accomplishments are extraordinary.

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Which of these people saves lives, makes pretty and/or usefull objects, creates concepts; or are simply very happy.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Schizophonia

[thierry]

depends how you define ego, would you consider Peter Ralston to have a big ego or not? See, that's a tricky one

 

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, thierry said:

depends how you define ego, would you consider Peter Ralston to have a big ego or not? See, that's a tricky one

 

Good question! I think it depends on One's intentions which we will never really know.. Goggins for example I would say has a big ego, his achievements of going thru suffering triumphantly sounds and looks like a big ego too me, Ralston seems a bit egoic but not like Googins, but with Spiritual teachers they may just have a calling to share the Bliss or Experience they feel since it is so empowering overall, Googins stuff not so much imo..

Ego is needed to do anything in this world, we need personalities/identities for ourselves to help other personalities or to use them, if Your doing something that is empowering for others and that is the primary reason Your doing it, then Your ego is in check, if your doing it to make Yourself feel good then your ego is big...

[Natasha Tori Maru]

22 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I wonder how much control people have over what they do.  It could just be easy and natural for them to do those things like it is easy and natural for us to do spirituality for years and years.  We assume they are grinding or pushing themselves.  Some people just have a lot of energy and desire to work.  We assume they are suffering, but if they were, wouldn't they just stop?  Maybe that's their path of least resistance oddly enough.

I like to think I have zero control.

All I can do is have the wisdom to take action when it is needed to possibly increase the likelihood of an an outcome.

There is a lot less suffering involved in engaging with reality in this way. 

There is still ego present - but less attachment to outcome in that I avoid excess emotional distress when things to do not proceed how I wish.

But the driving force behind all of the above is entangled with ego, even if for me, my work appears to be for others/society (construction in medical and science fields). My work standards are very high. And I have achieved a lot and very successfully, to assist society. I look at the medical buildings and fitouts as part of MY own creative process I engaged in to make the set of plans a concrete reality. But at the base of all of this I also acknowledge I did not do any one thing that created the building; it is simply a sum of the work of me, contractors, carpenters, suppliers, architects, services consultants, clients, building surveyors, industry compliance standards and federal/state governement funds. Not to mention the people that run power plants, supply water, food, mine coal and gas for power. I could go on...

Did I really do anything at all, given all the components I rely on that need to come together to construct a building?

[Human Mint]

53 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I wonder how much control people have over what they do.  It could just be easy and natural for them to do those things like it is easy and natural for us to do spirituality for years and years.  We assume they are grinding or pushing themselves.  Some people just have a lot of energy and desire to work.  We assume they are suffering, but if they were, wouldn't they just stop?  Maybe that's their path of least resistance oddly enough.

You get good at what you do constantly. It sounds obvious but it is the key.

[Human Mint]

19 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I like to think I have zero control.

All I can do is have the wisdom to take action when it is needed to possibly increase the likelihood of an an outcome.

There is a lot less suffering involved in engaging with reality in this way. 

There is still ego present - but less attachment to outcome in that I avoid excess emotional distress when things to do not proceed how I wish.

But the driving force behind all of the above is entangled with ego, even if for me, my work appears to be for others/society (construction in medical and science fields). My work standards are very high. And I have achieved a lot and very successfully, to assist society. I look at the medical buildings and fitouts as part of MY own creative process I engaged in to make the set of plans a concrete reality. But at the base of all of this I also acknowledge I did not do any one thing that created the building; it is simply a sum of the work of me, contractors, carpenters, suppliers, architects, services consultants, clients, building surveyors, industry compliance standards and federal/state governement funds. Not to mention the people that run power plants, supply water, food, mine coal and gas for power. I could go on...

Did I really do anything at all, given all the components I rely on that need to come together to construct a building?

Such a fascinating profession.

[Miguel1]

Personally I have always been a high achiever and always had high standards for myself and big visions.

But throughout the years, as I have matured, the goals have changed. Whereas younger I spent my time building and maintaining my 5 girl harem, now I am almost celibate and flirting with the idea of going full celibate — so I can be less corrupted, and have more time and energy to spread much more beauty and consciousness to the world.

My focus is less on personal gain now, and more on what I can give the world, but the same ambition and thrive is still there.

[CARDOZZO]

3 Traits of High Achievers

1. Superiority Complex
2. Massive Insecurity
3. Impulse Control

 

[Lyubov]

People with the most attitude almost always have done nothing with their life or are dead broke (haters). The ego label here is used far too inflexibility. I don’t think there is a huge correlation between succeeding at something you enjoy and living dishonestly. I think it’s maybe 50/50. About half make it lying and cheating and the other half grow in a positive way. 

[CARDOZZO]

It seems a norm between high achievers to have these 3 traits. I see bullying as a major factor. Bullies broke your soul when you are a kid. You grow up feeling like a piece of shit.. so, you want revenge, showing that they are wrong.

Edited 4 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[chess_king]

Watch BlueLock, the most precise and accurate definition of ego and competence.

[ChadT]

I always liked this exchange in the Malazan book series... 

"Every decision you make can change the world. The best life is the one the gods don't notice. You want to live free, boy, live quietly."
"I want to be a soldier. A hero."
"You'll grow out of it." 

Fuck fame.  It's a trap imho.   As for achieving something great...  More power to you, if that's what you aspire to do, but I also think we change the world in ways we often never even know.   Butterfly effect, etc. 

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Personally I have always been a high achiever and always had high standards for myself and big visions.

But throughout the years, as I have matured, the goals have changed. Whereas younger I spent my time building and maintaining my 5 girl harem, now I am almost celibate and flirting with the idea of going full celibate — so I can be less corrupted, and have more time and energy to spread much more beauty and consciousness to the world.

My focus is less on personal gain now, and more on what I can give the world, but the same ambition and thrive is still there.

Great work man.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

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Which of these people saves lives, makes pretty and/or usefull objects, creates concepts; or are simply very happy.

Irrelevant.

Those are your values.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Miguel1]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Great work man.

Thank you. It is a lonely path, and as an extrovert, the loneliness is even more pronounced. It is great to see the rare few here and there on the same path and to share some support.

Looking forward to deepening my connection with God. That should help with transcending loneliness.

Thank you for the work you do, infinitely grateful!

[integration journey]

I feel like not being a high achiever can be a trap if you discovered spirituality too early in life too.