I don't care what people say, women DO NOT like masculine men

[XXXXXX]

On 22/11/2025 at 2:48 PM, EternalForest said:

But I don't know what to do.

Are you serious? You really have no idea how to get better with women?

[Zenterus]

You're right. Saying that women are attracted to masculine men is like saying that men are attracted to big tits. Yeah, generally speaking that is true but it's just one piece if the pie.

What women are actually attracted are integrated men. Men who love all aspects of themselves and are living in alignment with who they really are without shame or compromising their values out of neediness.

I know feminine men who are really good with women because they are brave enough to own their feminine traits and move through the world with an underlying sense of power. You look at them and instantly think "that guys is awesome" just by the energy of love they exhude within themselves and onto others.

I also know very masculine men that are like that and everything in between.

When you develop self love, a love for life, a love for play and socialisation, then you naturally behave in "high value" ways; You dont supplicate, you set boundaries, you express your genuine emotions, you're vulnerable, polarizing, own your sexuality, are strong in your stances and have a naturally playful relationship with the world and women. 

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Zenterus said:

What women are actually attracted are integrated men.

Haha.

This is contradicted by the absolute scumbags they sleep with.

Edited Monday at 04:15 PM by Leo Gura

[LordFall]

@Leo Gura Most emotionally mature women don't sleep with scumbags. Depends how you define scumbag obviously but high quality women generally have especially long term relationships with high quality men. I don't know very many low level dudes banging or dating attractive and emotionally healthy women and I've been in the game community for almost 15 years. 

[Anonymous_2727]

@EternalForest Dont assume things. Step outside your front porch and you'll see women are almost always attracted to hyper-masculine men. 

[Basman]

It's really hard to pinpoint what women want, I find. One the one hand, a lot of the media that caters to them features effeminate men, but I've also seen genuinely beautiful women hanging out with drug dealers types. 

If I've gotten anything from this thread then that is it doesn't hurt to embrace your natural femininity, which is freeing. 

[Zenterus]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha.

This is contradicted by the absolute scumbags they sleep with.

@Leo Gura Integrated doesnt mean good. A man can love himself to an almost narcissistic self serving way and that confidence will attract a specific subset of women. You attract what you are, of course, so they're both going to be extremely dysfunctional together, but it still proves my point.

Assuming you want a high quality partner then you're gonna have to integrate your being in a healthy, ever loving way to attract a quality girl.

[Basman]

The guy most successful with women I know is a spoiled drug addicted millionaire who regularly gets panic attacks who runs a large club.

[aurum]

The good news is that even if women are attracted to scumbags, it's unnecessary.

You can get all the success you need going the integrated path. You might not sleep with as many women in terms of sheer quantity, but your long-term relationships will be much stronger.

Edited yesterday at 02:16 AM by aurum

[hundreth]

Hey dude. I've been the stoic quiet / serious guy type when I was young. You're going to look back at this as childish, silly and cringe one day after you've had more experiences with women.

Yes, @Emerald is right that you will have to spend a lot more time around women. Yes, you can't sit home and play video games. Yes, you will have to leave your comfort zone. And yes, you will see it isn't masculinity that is holding you back, it is that your personality hasn't fully developed yet. 

The answer is more experiences. More dates, more travel, more shows, more heartbreaks, more drama, more career developments, more friends, more hobbies, more creative outlets, more comedy, etc.

When you have that, you will find that you can more easily relate to everyone, not just women. At the end of the day women want to feel safe and comfortable around you. That is where your masculinity comes in. Your job is to make her feel safe. Being funny, silly and making jokes helps put them at ease. Understanding where they're coming from, being able to relate as a human - that makes them feel comfortable. 

Get on the dating apps, go on as many dates as you can. I promise you will have success eventually. You may meet one girl who sees something in you, and pushes you to break out of some of your neuroses. Either way, you will get there. Best of luck. 

Edited 6 hours ago by hundreth

[Yimpa]

I am attracted to masculine women.

[Schizophonia]

On 24/11/2025 at 8:14 PM, Zenterus said:

@Leo Gura  narcissistic

It's the opposite of self love

[EternalForest]

3 hours ago, hundreth said:

Hey dude. I've been the stoic quiet / serious guy type when I was young. You're going to look back at this as childish, silly and cringe one day after you've had more experiences with women.

Yes, @Emerald is right that you will have to spend a lot more time around women. Yes, you can't sit home and play video games. Yes, you will have to leave your comfort zone. And yes, you will see it isn't masculinity that is holding you back, it is that your personality hasn't fully developed yet. 

The answer is more experiences. More dates, more travel, more shows, more heartbreaks, more drama, more career developments, more friends, more hobbies, more creative outlets, more comedy, etc.

When you have that, you will find that you can more easily relate to everyone, not just women. At the end of the day women want to feel safe and comfortable around you. That is where your masculinity comes in. Your job is to make her feel safe. Being funny, silly and making jokes helps put them at ease. Understanding where they're coming from, being able to relate as a human - that makes them feel comfortable. 

Get on the dating apps, go on as many dates as you can. I promise you will have success eventually. You may meet one girl who sees something in you, and pushes you to break out of some of your neuroses. Either way, you will get there. Best of luck. 

If you read her last post, Emerald is convinced I dislike women, when I've suggested nothing of the sort. In reality, I'm desperate to connect with them and I'm frustrated that I can't. I don't see it as either of out "faults" really, it's simply a disconnect.

Anyways, I've spent a lot of time around women but virtually zero time being intimate with women in meaningful ways, that's the issue. They don't let me get that close. But men do. That's why I'm starting to entertain the possibility that I'm simply a man with a personality that appeals to men but does not appeal to women.

[EternalForest]

Also, I have plenty of creative and positive outlets. I spend most of my days hanging out with friends, making music, going on walks and enjoying life.

But I have rejoined dating apps this week. We'll see what happens.

Edited 2 hours ago by EternalForest

[EternalForest]

On 11/24/2025 at 4:43 AM, XXXXXX said:

Are you serious? You really have no idea how to get better with women?

Not at all.