I don't care what people say, women DO NOT like masculine men

[Emerald]

I totally agree. When a man is out of touch with his Feminine side, it makes him come across as very unattractive and immature.

Plus, the repression of the Feminine makes men feel this lack and relates to women desperately because he's trying to integrate the Feminine through proxy of his relationship. It's like he's like, "I am impoverished of the Feminine, and I need a woman to provide me Femininity!"

And often times, men will think their issue with dating is that they're not Masculine enough... when the issue is that they're not Feminine enough. And there's no softness or warmth to connect with. And a man with repressed Femininity tend to be kind of anti-social.

Usually, men who polarize into Masculinity and repress their Feminine side are like cold nerdy brains in a jar... and can have a lot of repressed Shadow Feminine qualities sneak through their demeanor like entitlement, cattiness, pettiness, and resentment (towards women).

So, a man who represses his Feminine side is like a combo between a cold juvenile locked-in guy and a resentful catty mean girl all rolled into one.

But a man who integrates his Feminine side tends to come across as more Masculine in an attractive way... and is warm, present, centered in his body, and capable of intimacy.

What makes a man attractive is a mixture between softness and strength.

A man who is only strength is like a cold stone statue.

But the "Men need to be more Masculine to attract women" ideas causes men to harden more and more and more... which makes his problem worse and worse and worse.

[Emerald]

On 11/16/2025 at 10:15 AM, Miguel1 said:

Like I said, masculinity is attractive but femininity connects.

That's a really nice way to summarize it.

The opposite polarity attracts. And this is why men are always trying to polarize into Masculinity to be more attractive to women.

But the commonality is what creates connection, which is what women really value in a relationship. And that's a major part of the attraction... being able to connect with someone of the opposite polarity.

So, if a man tries to polarize into the Masculine without integrating the Feminine... he becomes unattractive because of the detachment and inability to connect.

[Emerald]

23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No. This is how a serious man is.

Think of a Zen master. That is a real man. Not some pickup clown.

The truth is that a real man doesn't make his life around chasing club bitches.

A real man does such serious things that he doesn't have time for games, flirting, and galavanting with drunk fools.

Marcus Aurelius, that is a real man. These pickup guys are truamatized sex-obssessed children.

It happens often that men who are very serious are quite stunted and have a repressive relationship with their own humanity.

Perhaps the expectation is to transcend one's humanity and to become the romanticized archetype of the strict stoic Zen master. But the actual results fall somewhere between socially isolated bubble guy and Ebenezer Scrooge.

It's one of those divergences between how one perceives themselves, how others perceive them, and how they actually are.

[Schizophonia]

@Emerald Just the animus/anima clivage shows the poor performance of Jungism, or David Deida's dogshit. 

 

Me all I see are autistic/neurotic, often from anglo-saxon countries you who talked about how "Freudism maintaining Victorian-era gender stereotypes" people who are just coping by saying "No but if I'm boring it's actualy because i'm too masculine yeaa 😎🥸." lmao.

 

Yea you're right lol  😹👍 it must be that .

 

If when I put the triangle in the square it doesn't fit, it's not because the hole box is wrong.

Edited Monday at 11:56 PM by Schizophonia

[mmKay]

On 17/11/2025 at 1:59 AM, Leo Gura said:

That's why a real man doesn't care if he doesn't have a girlfriend.

A real man can only be satisfied by the GOAT

[Leo Gura]

Seriously, when you are on your purpose as a man, the girlfriend is irrelevant to your happiness.

[mmKay]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Seriously, when you are on your purpose as a man, the girlfriend is irrelevant to your happiness.

 

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A real man can only be satisfied by the GOAT

I was agreeing with you

I'm talking about goat yoga ofc

Edited Tuesday at 11:27 AM by mmKay

[Spiral]

@Emerald personally I find the balance difficult. When I was younger I was very feminine, to such a degree people thought I was gay. I used to hang out with girls almost exclusively.

Right now i’m probably a bit too masculine and struggle to make female friends. 

[Tenebroso]

18 hours ago, Emerald said:

I totally agree. When a man is out of touch with his Feminine side, it makes him come across as very unattractive and immature.

Plus, the repression of the Feminine makes men feel this lack and relates to women desperately because he's trying to integrate the Feminine through proxy of his relationship. It's like he's like, "I am impoverished of the Feminine, and I need a woman to provide me Femininity!"

And often times, men will think their issue with dating is that they're not Masculine enough... when the issue is that they're not Feminine enough. And there's no softness or warmth to connect with. And a man with repressed Femininity tend to be kind of anti-social.

Usually, men who polarize into Masculinity and repress their Feminine side are like cold nerdy brains in a jar... and can have a lot of repressed Shadow Feminine qualities sneak through their demeanor like entitlement, cattiness, pettiness, and resentment (towards women).

So, a man who represses his Feminine side is like a combo between a cold juvenile locked-in guy and a resentful catty mean girl all rolled into one.

But a man who integrates his Feminine side tends to come across as more Masculine in an attractive way... and is warm, present, centered in his body, and capable of intimacy.

What makes a man attractive is a mixture between softness and strength.

A man who is only strength is like a cold stone statue.

But the "Men need to be more Masculine to attract women" ideas causes men to harden more and more and more... which makes his problem worse and worse and worse.

Interesting perspective but how do you account for exposed abusers, serial killers, narcissists etc attracting women. I spoke to an ex girlfriend of a murderer of multiple women, Wade Wilson. He had marriage proposals and a petition to have him released. Women on TikTok admitting that they would not be able to help themselves around him. I asked his ex girlfriend what she saw in him, she said that she knew his reputation but he was too attractive to turn down, it was supposed to be a fling and then turned into a relationship.

There is also the growing issue of female prison guards having sex with inmates. In the UK female prison guards were having sex with a convicted rapist. I think women care about raw physical attraction and lust more than we want to admit as a society. It was repressed in the past now and we have not caught up in terms of the narrative around dating because perhaps it paints an unflattering picture.

[Miguel1]

5 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

I asked his ex girlfriend what she saw in him, she said that she knew his reputation but he was too attractive to turn down, it was supposed to be a fling and then turned into a relationship.

Realistically, how many girls are really into murderers? Probably a very tiny percentage. Most girls are afraid of and repulsed by them - because they lack femininity completely. They are all macho masculinity, aka toxic masculinity. And this proves everything we have discussed here on this thread.

[joeyi99]

On 2025-11-18 at 5:58 AM, Leo Gura said:

Seriously, when you are on your purpose as a man, the girlfriend is irrelevant to your happiness.

@Leo Gura I agree but isn’t intimacy a human need?

[Schizophonia]

On 18/11/2025 at 11:58 AM, Leo Gura said:

Seriously, when you are on your purpose as a man, the girlfriend is irrelevant to your happiness.

It’s the same for women; being particularly satisfied somewhere eclipses more or less the other needs.

[Emerald]

On 11/18/2025 at 0:01 PM, Tenebroso said:

Interesting perspective but how do you account for exposed abusers, serial killers, narcissists etc attracting women.

You always bring this up. But the fact is that the vast majority of women are not interested in serial killers and wouldn't touch a serial killer with a 10-foot pole.

But the reason why serial killers get that small percentage of women interested in is because 1. Some women are dysfunctional and are looking for some romanticized dysfunctional dynamic, and 2. Convicted serial killers are famous, and a sizable minority of women are fame chasers.

So, a small number of crazy women deliberately go seeking some famous serial killer to be in a relationship with.

But like 90%+ of women would have nothing to do with a serial killer in any circumstance. And of the 10 percent that could end up in such a relationship, even 90%+ of those would only be susceptible to a serial killer's advances because of low self-esteem and being easily manipulated by them.

So, maybe like one woman in a hundred would go trying to consciously and deliberately spark up a relationship with a convicted serial killer... like a band groupie would.

But even those crazy women are probably like, "I can change him and show him the light... and we will be transformed into a soft and gentle man through the power of my love!" (which is very delusional)

At any rate, this is not reflective of what the vast majority of women are actually looking for in a man.

And even women who get with moderately aggressive stony guys tend to see him as a fixer upper that she's going to heal and show him the light. It's a rescuer kink... and wanting to the be the healing catalyst.

[Hojo]

On 2025-11-16 at 5:39 PM, Majed said:

@Leo Gura Exactly, i am getting sick of the inauthenticity of game, just to get results. The authentic me doesn't want to chase girls, he wants to do philosophy and spirituality. But good luck getting a girlfriend with this kind of mindset.

You arent made to chase girls girls are made to chase you its Gods plan. This society is fucking with men because they have to be the chaser and the provider and rock and leader and somehow remain sane while doing it all. Men are now seeing this is a scam and are just stopping. Since we are not made to we often pick the wrong ones because we have no idea what we are doing and going based on looks purely.

Edited 16 hours ago by Hojo

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

You arent made to chase girls girls are made to chase you its Gods plan. This society is fucking with men because they have to be the chaser and the provider and rock and leader and somehow remain sane while doing it all. Men are now seeing this is a scam and are just stopping. Since we are not made to we often pick the wrong ones because we have no idea what we are doing and going based on looks purely.

We are made to polarize

Edited 16 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Hojo]

@SchizophoniaWhat does that mean.

[Hojo]

A man is innately innert hes not moving. A woman is supposed to use her energy to break the man out of innertness. Society says men need to break themselves out of the innertness and use the energy they dont have to find the energy. Its so counter intuitive that they are completely confused.

There are billion dollar industries that run off this bullshit cause men dont know how. Its not natural and its why we are not reproducing.

Its like something without ego is supposed to create their own ego and find another ego he dosent know he wants or how to get it.  The entire time he gets rejected and, The man says im spinning in circles here, am I supposed to be building myself up? Because I keep getting brought down.

Then he flips the chess table over and sits there.

Edited 15 hours ago by Hojo

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

A man is innately innert hes not moving. A woman is supposed to use her energy to break the man out of innertness. Society says men need to break themselves out of the innertness and use the energy they dont have to find the energy. Its so counter intuitive that they are completely confused.

There are billion dollar industries that run off this bullshit cause men dont know how. Its not natural and its why we are not reproducing.

Its like something without ego is supposed to create their own ego and find another ego he dosent know he wants or how to get it. The man says im spinning in circles here.

It’s funny because yesterday I made a post about that but it has been deleted because of the daily crash 

Edited 15 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Kid A]

I hate that serial killers have gotten such a big place in our culture. The news, entertainment, and social media are so biased toward negativity, so serial killers are naturally overrepresented since they’re the worst of the worst. This makes them absurdly present in people’s minds despite being extremely rare (1 in 40-80 million people). The result is almost that a man is considered a potential serial killer until proven otherwise if he cold approaches a woman, and whatever TikTok tells you: That’s not beneficial for a man. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Kid A

[Emerald]

11 hours ago, Hojo said:

A man is innately innert hes not moving. A woman is supposed to use her energy to break the man out of innertness. Society says men need to break themselves out of the innertness and use the energy they dont have to find the energy. Its so counter intuitive that they are completely confused.

There are billion dollar industries that run off this bullshit cause men dont know how. Its not natural and its why we are not reproducing.

Its like something without ego is supposed to create their own ego and find another ego he dosent know he wants or how to get it.  The entire time he gets rejected and, The man says im spinning in circles here, am I supposed to be building myself up? Because I keep getting brought down.

Then he flips the chess table over and sits there.

For a healthy and stable relationship that's a good container to raise a child in, it should be relatively equal in love and care but with the man pursuing more and putting in more legwork. And men naturally do that anyway if they're really interested in a deep way.

If a woman has to polarize into her Masculine energy and chase around a man and prove herself somehow worthy of him, you're asking the person who takes on more risk in the relationship to also take on more of the responsibility for making the relationship happen.

Women take on more risk because of pregnancy and child rearing. So, it's men's role to take on more responsibility to make the relationship happen... if he values it.

Otherwise, all of her attention goes towards trying to keep the lukewarm detached man instead of feeling comfortable and stable in the relationship container... and focusing on self-care, pregnancy, and childbirth.

That's why women who chase men always end up in terrible relationships with a guy who feels lukewarm about her, never wants to marry her, and where she's always feeling a bit unsettled.

Chasing a man is also something that tends to push men away anyway... as most men actually don't like to be chased. It puts most men off, even if there's some fantasy about it.

And the thing to understand for a woman is that a man is either serious about your or he isn't. There is no mating dance that a woman can do to make a man be more interested in loving her.

Only men can do the mating dance to make a woman more interested in loving them.

But for women, there is nothing we can do to persuade a man to be interested in us in a serious way... he either is or isn't.

Think about how most species operate... like birds.

The male bird does all kinds of crazy dance moves and has his ornate feathers to attract the female. 

But the female bird is a drab bird that just sits there and decides whether the mating dance it is sufficient evidence of whether or not he's a good candidate to father the chicks.

If a man really loves a woman and is really serious about her, he's going to invest heavily in making the relationship work. And if he doesn't' do that, he's just not that into that woman and the woman is a placeholder for him. And he will extract company and sex from that woman, but leave as soon as someone he really likes comes around.

That's why the Feminine archetype is the Beloved (which is all about receiving love unconditionally and being loved simply for being). And the Masculine archetype is the Lover (which is about giving love unconditionally and wooing the Beloved).

Edited 4 hours ago by Emerald