Leo Gura

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38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Pain is a form.

Formlessness has nothing in it.

Obviously there cannot be any pain in God's purest state. The annihilation of form is how absolute purity is acheived.

Nothing negative or bad can exist if nothing specific exists. All evil is specific. Absolute Good is nonspecific.

Nothing will disappear. But you will experience it totally different.

Hint: Suffering is never voluntary, but always Willful. 
What goes against will is suffering. There is only One Will.

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JHWH·LILA·VIBV

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16 minutes ago, Haloman said:

 I also can't wrap my mind about it why there is a possibility of that kind of horror.

Because that's what lower consciousness creates. And God isn't just high consciousness, its the entire gamut of Consciousness.

God holds space for all lower forms of consciousness.

The lower the consciousness the more sadistic it is. Sadism is part of Consciousness.

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You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I was reading detailed accounts of how Saddam Hussein's secret police would torture prisons. They would take the prisoner's small children, lock the children in a room with a glass window, throw in a hive of bees, and force the parents to watch through the window as the children ran around screaming while the bees stung them to death.

If you think you understand suffering, think again.

That's just a conceptual understanding of suffering though, isn't it? I've been reading and watching similar things almost on the daily for the past 10 years, to the point nothing elicits more than a raised eyebrow anymore. In the end it's not that different from reading a story, particularly when there's no visuals and such. One time I had What is the Devil in the background on a trip and towards the end experienced the examples that were given, like getting stepped on as an ant or gassed in a gas chamber; palpable as it was, that still didn't feel quite complete. I basically downloaded the feelings of fear and anguish + memories from God's mind and replayed them. But there were no changes to things like time or the visual field, hence incomplete.
Can't beat direct experience. Though excessive suffering lowers consciousness, and so is counterproductive. 


Whichever way you turn, there is the face of God

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I was reading detailed accounts of how Saddam Hussein's secret police would torture prisons. They would take the prisoner's small children, lock the children in a room with a glass window, throw in a hive of bees, and force the parents to watch through the window as the children ran around screaming while the bees stung them to death.

If you think you understand suffering, think again.

Leo, imagine you were having the scenario above as a lucid dream at night. And you clearly know that you dream, and that you will wake up at some point. And you experience this dream, and clearly know its just a temporary passing dream. How much would this affect you? The dream would still be very sad, you would probably still cry. But you would clearly know it is a dream. And that this dream won't last forever, and can't and won't change your essence, and is mere appearance.

And now you can imagine Enlightenment as being aware that this life and world is just an appearing dream. Including your body, thoughts, I-thoughts, feelings, anything. And this realization is always available, because all thoughts and appearances have become mere lucid appearances "dancing" in Infinite Being. Dreamstuff.

Wouldn't it make much more sense to work towards waking up and making the dream lucid (Enlightenment), instead of chasing more dream Aliens and understandings? Because the chasing/grasping is the opposite of resting in choiceless Awareness for long times, which is necessary for waking up.

And btw., nobody has said there is no suffering. There is tremendous suffering in this world, and most beings take that as very real, because for them it is not a dream but appears very real, and very dualistic self vs. other, and very much suffering/self-contraction. Did anybody doubt that?

 

Francis Lucille, The Perfume of Silence:

"Suffering, psychological suffering, is not necessary and can be avoided. However, there is certainly pain and that cannot be avoided. Hence the
distinction. To enjoy pleasure and suffer pain is part of the package of having a body. Psychological suffering is the most intense of all and it is not necessary. If you don’t want to make a distinction, I cannot explain why psychological suffering is not necessary.

Psychological suffering is related to the notion of a sufferer, a person. It is always related to past and future. Consider for instance the case of my friend
William Samuel. During World War II he was in China. He was assigned a Chinese interpreter who was a Taoist sage, although he didn’t know it at the
time. The first thing that he noticed about this man was that he was always happy, smiling and enjoying.

One day they were in great danger. William’s platoon was being pursued by the Japanese who were very close. They were running back towards their lines. There were hills on the horizon and the sage pointed to the purple line of the mountains and said to William, “Look, how beautiful!” William said, “It was the last thing I would have thought about at that moment.” Some time later William discovered that three months earlier the sage’s wife had been raped and killed by the Japanese and that they had also killed his two sons. That’s what triggered his interest in this man, and he eventually became his student. This Taoist sage was free from the past. He may have been in pain, but he was not suffering on account of the death of his wife and children. In seeing the beauty of the purple hills while under enemy fire, he was teaching a wonderful lesson in courage and love. It is hard to imagine more atrocious circumstances."

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And why is there evil and suffering? For learning. According to pretty much all OBLers, there is a life review after death. The soul gets reflected from the energies/emotions it caused as evil-doer, and can learn. The soul of the victim can also learn to not do what the prepetrator did. The impacts caused from ones life come back, for learning and reviewing. This can be a quite hellish experience, for example Jürgen Ziewe describes a suicide-bombers afterlife. Not for the faint-of-hearted.

I think your view that everbody goes singing with the angels/aliens and becoming Infinity after death is a bit naive and is not in line with thousands of OBElers of the millienia exploring the Afterlife-Realms. I can only recommend you to cause as little havoc as possible with your followers, and lead them in a good direction. It will all come back to you. In the dream called Afterlife-review and Afterlife-realms. 

Bon voyage!

 

 

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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I was reading detailed accounts of how Saddam Hussein's secret police would torture prisons. They would take the prisoner's small children, lock the children in a room with a glass window, throw in a hive of bees, and force the parents to watch through the window as the children ran around screaming while the bees stung them to death.

If you think you understand suffering, think again.

@Leo Gura

"God is Good and Love"

Should be banned. Most people understand love one way, so you should stop using that word and find another one.

Edit: If it is true, that all this misery and cruelty is love, then you should actually use the word. Otherwise, it wouldn't be the truth...

The automatic association with being human and having attachments gives me an instant jolt of rage when hearing these things. But somehow I kind of sense why God is love. 

Thank God everyone dies.

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12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Horzontal, vertical... it's all made up.

If you surpassed Ken Wilbur's model what is the better way of mapping it?

Don't give me the answer that there is no map or something like that. I'm asking specifically where the model breaks down and how you would map it based on your models. lol

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How is this post just me acting out my ego in the usual ways? Is this post just me venting and justifying my selfishness? Are the things you are posting in alignment with principles of higher consciousness and higher stages of ego development? Are you acting in a mature or immature way? Are you being selfish or selfless in your communication? Are you acting like a monkey or like a God-like being?

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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

God holds space for all lower forms of consciousness.

Ugh God IS all those lower forms..

Found myself in a dispute with a sociopath-I was full of resentment then I had to remind myself that sociopathy IS the Mind of God. I can’t be pissed like I used to.

I AM sociopathy

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I will fly from Brazil for this retreat in a heartbeat. 
Been following @Leo Gura's work for a decade by now and have no doubts a retreat like that would be a life-changing experience.

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