Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

[vibv]

10 hours ago, Eskilon said:

If a practioner attain this state, why does he comeback?

Does "he" have a choice? Or this is one of the mysteries of consciousness that has no answers?

Consciousness could abide there. But there's no reason not to play instead.

Peace & Love are 2 sides of the same coin.

[Inliytened1]

25 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I didn't because I already knew what it was about: placing New Age religion as the true spirituality, anything else as fake.

 

We also had a discussion about the variety that exists within Christianity, and you might remember I disagree with that as well.

Please tell me again then how a religion like Christianity or even Judaism even somewhat resembles the spirituality taught here.   

Edited 21 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I will not teach meditation but all the facets of God/Consciousness will be taught.

Niceee

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

Niceee

He should include af least self inquiry mediation. Let's be honest- most will not become enlightened on this retreat but it's something they can take home with them.  One can take psychedelics on the retreat but they most likely won't be able to take that home with them.  And if they get enlightened then well then they won't need it.  

Edited 21 hours ago by Inliytened1

[vibv]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Alien Consciousness and the like could steer beginners away.  

Isn't that kinda the point?

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, vibv said:

Isn't that kinda the point?

You're not gonna squeeze 100 awakenings into one retreat. (It's really about 5-10 legitimate awakenings) ..God realization itself i put at the pinnacle of all those realizations that must happen prior to that.  He knows damn well this will not squeeze all into one.  It's a start.

Edited 20 hours ago by Inliytened1

[vibv]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You're not gonna squeeze 100 awakenings into one retreat.    God realization itself i put at the pinnacle of all those realizations that must happen prior to that.  He knows damn well this will not squeeze all into one.  It's a start.

He's designing the retreat of the future.

[Inliytened1]

Just now, vibv said:

He's designing the retreat of the future.

He better have the potion of the future then.   Even one realization will send you reeling. 

[Davino]

18 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He should include af least self inquiry mediation. Let's be honest- most will not become enlightened on this retreat but it's something they can take home with them.  One can take psychedelics on the retreat but they most likely won't be able to take that home with them.  And if they get enlightened then well then they won't need it.  

You should know what everyone is good at. If I attend the retreat I want Leo at its best, which is not self-inquiry, for that go to another place. It's like you go to Ramana asking for yogic advice.

I'd go to get mindfucked, for insane Awakenings/God-Realizations and to meet the Actualized.org community in person. Those are my drivers. 

[vibv]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He better have the potion of the future then.   Even one realization will send you reeling. 

Awareness meditation is so basic by now and there are so so many ressources. You don't have to teach that anymore explicitly, it's not of value anymore in this context of the world today.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Davino said:

You should know what everyone is good at. If I attend the retreat I want Leo at its best, which is not self-inquiry, for that go to another place. It's like you go to Ramana asking for yogic advice.

I'd go to get mindfucked, for insane Awakenings/God-Realizations and to meet the Actualized.org community in person. Those are my drivers. 

Actually he's excellent at self inquiry.  Thats what enlightened me. I did my own self inquiry but it was his teachings that paved the way.  It's just that he himself didn't get enlightened by it.  So be very careful about that distinction.  

See..if he judges what he teaches by what worked for him he missed the mark. That is extremely tricky.   

Edited 20 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Carl-Richard]

32 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Please tell me again then how a religion like Christianity or even Judaism even somewhat resembles the spirituality taught here.   

You have a "search for the sacred" (the highest value), be it truth, Consciousness, God, the Absolute, the Good. You have different dimensions like intellectual frameworks (doctrine, theology), mysticism (experience of God), practices (e.g. psychedelics, meditation, contemplation, "prayer"), rituals (go to the Church of Actualized.org/forum and talk shit about e.g. the Catholic Church), institutions and communal aspects (e.g. again Actualized.org, YouTube, scienceandnonduality.org).

Where they differ is mainly the cultural and traditional backdrop. New Age has a postmodern and individualist orientation where they pick and choose from religious traditions they like and create a smorgasboard of all kinds of religious stuff. Meanwhile "Christianity" (or what you call Christianity, which is actually a specific kind of Christianity, let's call it "traditionalist Christianity") is indeed more traditionalist and follows traditional Christian doctrines and practices more strictly.

"The New Age paradox" which I coined earlier is the paradox that while they claim to be in favor of individualism and "doing it your own way" or "going it on your own", they claim so on platforms like Actualized.org or YouTube where like-minded people congregate to share their opinions and experiences, where they learn about practices and techniques and theology and doctrine endorsed in those spheres.

[vibv]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Thats what enlightened me.

You'll gonna drop that label at some point. Not because it wouldn't be true, but because it introduces a duality of enlightened vs. not-enlightened.

[JosephKnecht]

What are you guys yapping about... 

Time to ask the important questions.

Will there be treats at this retreat? 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, JosephKnecht said:

Will there be treats at this retreat? 

There will be a pitcher of mysterious Kool-Aid 

[Inliytened1]

8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

You have a "search for the sacred" (the highest value), be it truth, Consciousness, God, the Absolute, the Good. You have different dimensions like intellectual frameworks (doctrine, theology), mysticism (experience of God), practices (e.g. psychedelics, meditation, contemplation, "prayer"), rituals (go to the Church of Actualized.org/forum and talk shit about e.g. the Catholic Church), institutions and communal aspects (e.g. again Actualized.org, YouTube, scienceandnonduality.org).

Where they differ is mainly the cultural and traditional backdrop. New Age has a postmodern and individualist orientation where they pick and choose from religious traditions they like and create a smorgasboard of all kinds of religious stuff. Meanwhile "Christianity" (or what you call Christianity, which is actually a specific kind of Christianity, let's call it "traditionalist Christianity") is indeed more traditionalist and follows traditional Christian doctrines and practices more strictly.

"The New Age paradox" which I coined earlier is the paradox that while they claim to be in favor of individualism and "doing it your own way" or "going it on your own", they claim so on platforms like Actualized.org or YouTube where like-minded people congregate to share their opinions and experiences, where they learn about practices and techniques and theology and doctrine endorsed in those spheres.

Well no I beg to differ.  When I discovered Actualized.org I happened to stumble on these so called enlightened videos. So i listened.  I was always an atheist but I stumbled on them when searching how to resolve boredom and meditation came up with Leo's videos.  From there I stumbled on self inquiry and his first enlightenment videos where it was said that there is an illusion or something that can be found that most people on the planet have no consciousness of, I listened.   But then out of mere curiosity and naivety i applied the self inquiry and other meditation practices encouraged to discover what the self was.  Because paramount to realize what was really going on here (reality) It was stated the self was an illusion but that you must discover it for yourself by conducting an empirical investigation. Hmm..kinda scientific.. Religion does not encourage an empirical investigation at all.  It also doesn't distinguish the difference between concept and actuality.   And that just dwelling in actuality could bring about a shift in your awareness.  So no religion teaches this.  They just want you to adhere to a set of concepts and beliefs (for Christianity it is a figure named Jesus) and not discover what is true, which starts with what you yourself are.  Example - Religions like Christianity take for granted or assume already that you are a soul.  But if you actually question that premise deeply enough then you discover that the soul exists nowhere and is nothing but a thought.   Christianity doesn't go this deep because it doesn't want to get that logical like science would.   You see uncovering the Truth could never happen for a Christian because they aren't free enough to leverage science or an empirical investigation into things. It's all based on preconceived beliefs or assumptions that can never be questioned without fear of excommunication or worse.  So Just like Galileo was a pioneer so should you be.

Edited 12 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

22 minutes ago, vibv said:

You'll gonna drop that label at some point. Not because it wouldn't be true, but because it introduces a duality of enlightened vs. not-enlightened.

I don't walk around with that label but the goal of the retreat is God realization.  You have it or you don't.  You're lucid as God or you aren't. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Inliytened1

[vibv]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I don't walk around with that label but the goal of the retreat is God realization.  You have it or you don't. 

Every single being in the universe has it by varying degrees. The Human degree being ice-cold in that regard.

Therein lies the Great Opportunity.

It being binary is an illusion that results.

We're 0K.

Edited 19 hours ago by vibv

[Davino]

Regarding group-think I'd like to point out a blind spot Leo doesn't usually talk about: The power of Collective Intelligence.

If you ever work in a top notch research centre, consultancy or think tank, you'll see that when a group of autonomous thinking individuals join together, great synergies happen and a collective mind is formed, a greater Holon so to speak. Many great insights I owe to this.

[Davino]

33 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Actually he's excellent at self inquiry.  Thats what enlightened me. I did my own self inquiry but it was his teachings that paved the way.  It's just that he himself didn't get enlightened by it.  So be very careful about that distinction.  

See..if he judges what he teaches by what worked for him he missed the mark. That is extremely tricky.   

But how come you're gonna be the best in something that didn't work for you? 

You're the best in what worked for you, obviously.