Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

The best place to order psychedelics.

@Leo Gura, have you been there?

No, but they have the best laws for our purposes.

[Leo Gura]

@Water by the River You do not understand what God is.

Don't even try to act like you do.

No amount of Buddhism is God. You do not understand this.

Enlightenment is NOT God-Realization. Enlightenment is way, way, way lower consciousness.

Edited Saturday at 08:06 PM by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, but they have the best laws for our purposes.

You might not want to go back home after visiting.

Psychedelic laws, building and city architecture, tram system. Although, they also have their own issues.

Edited Saturday at 08:26 PM by Nemra

[mindfulstepz]

Sign me up, sounds like great time! 

[Eskilon]

@Leo Gura How is this new psychedelic potency-wise?

Is it comparable to 5-meo, or lsd, or much stronger?

[Jodistrict]

Awaken the World in Canada did an intensive physical retreat several years ago where they microdosed with Iboga to aid the meditation and self inquiry.  I saw a video where they claimed that a percentage of the people had an awakening.  I don’t remember what the percentage was.

[Dylan Page]

@Leo Gura How much would you charge for this type of thing and would I have to take extremely powerful psychdelics or could I start with something like mushrooms? 

[Dylan Page]

@Schizophonia

On 10/3/2025 at 4:59 AM, Schizophonia said:

Yes, but you'll end up with asslickers, not friends or even normal clients. 

 

On 10/3/2025 at 5:02 AM, Leo Gura said:

Your view is too negative.

Many good people watch my videos. Most of them don't even comment, they just learn and apply.

I am someone who has watched Leo for the better part of a decade and have mostly posted nothing and remain skeptical on much of Leo's points yet would still legitimately entertain attending something like this

[JosephKnecht]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Not Scandinavia. Netherlands.

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That's where I live. Let me know if you need help sourcing some interesting locations.  

[Flint]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It should be fine for first time users. Our doses will be low.

Not Scandinavia. Netherlands.

Generally yes, although some parts of the retreat may be under NDA. Not sure yet.

Netherlands ? Count me in.

Flying to the US would have a high step in cost (flight prices, time investment, etc.) but Netherlands is a no brainer.

[Hello from Russia]

How much would be the cost?

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, Eskilon said:

@Leo Gura How is this new psychedelic potency-wise?

Is it comparable to 5-meo, or lsd, or much stronger?

It is very strong but we will be doing low doses.

2 hours ago, Dylan Page said:

@Leo Gura How much would you charge for this type of thing and would I have to take extremely powerful psychdelics or could I start with something like mushrooms? 

Around $1500 is the goal.

Dose is the key.

Mushrooms are not easy. Mushrooms will fuck you up bad. It all depends on the dose.

The doses on this retreat will be mild to enable contemplation.

I will show you guys the power of chemicals + contemplation in a way no one has taught you. It's not the size of the dose, it's how you use it. You will get way more from my protocol than from regular high dose trips.

Edited yesterday at 09:34 AM by Leo Gura

[ZenSwift]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Water by the River

Enlightenment is NOT God-Realization. Enlightenment is way, way, way lower consciousness.

How would you describe what the word "enlightenment" points to, with your current understanding of reality?
Becoming conscious of no-self?  (I feel like words may fail entirely here.)

 

 

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, ZenSwift said:

How would you describe what the word "enlightenment" points to, with your current understanding of reality?
Becoming conscious of no-self?  (I feel like words may fail entirely here.)

Enlightenment is imaginary. Humans invented enlightenment to keep themselves from actually realizing God.

You have to understand how ingenius God is at hiding. God invented enlightenment just to hide itself from you. Only the smartest will see through the enlightenment illusion.

Edited yesterday at 09:50 AM by Leo Gura

[ZenSwift]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Enlightenment is imaginary. Humans invented enlightenment to keep themselves from actually realizing God.

You have to understand how ingenius God is at hiding. God invented enlightenment just to hide itself from you. Only the smartest will see through the enlightenment illusion.

Mind blown 🤯

It almost sounds like God-Realization is the only game in town. Like of anything to do ever in life that is of any value. 

[UnbornTao]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Enlightenment is imaginary. Humans invented enlightenment to keep themselves from actually realizing God.

You have to understand how ingenius God is at hiding. God invented enlightenment just to hide itself from you. Only the smartest will see through the enlightenment illusion.

You do know it's just a term, right? As are God-realization and Awakening.

It's becoming conscious of the absolute nature of you or existence.

When we say this individual is "God-realized," what it's being pointed at is his consciousness and understanding, not a distinction that the term elicits. It's likely you're just using the term differently, but it doesn't change the understanding part. Call Ramana enlightened or God-realized or liberated, it's all the same for him. You think it is just another distinction within a hierarchy or some such. But it isn't relative, and there's nothing higher, lower, or beyond absolute. 

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

You do know it's just a term, right? As are God-realization and Awakening.

It's becoming conscious of the absolute nature of you or existence.

When we say this individual is "God-realized," what it's being pointed at is his consciousness and understanding, not a distinction that the term elicits. It's likely you're just using the term differently, but it doesn't change the understanding part. Call Ramana enlightened or God-realized or liberated, it's all the same for him. You think it is just another distinction within a hierarchy or some such. But it isn't relative, and there's nothing higher, lower, or beyond absolute. 

No. I am saying that everyone who thinks they are enlightened is actually self-deceived and not actually conscious of God or Consciousness.

You are hallucinating the entire domain of enlightenment, in the same way that a Christian is hallucinating all of Christianity and a Buddhist is hallucinating all of Buddhism.

None of these people really understand God.

@UnbornTao You do not understand what God is. You are not even close. I keep telling you but you refuse to listen because you have completely convinced yourself that you solved this issue. You have not. Yet you keep going on and on like a broken record, typing away the same old nondual group-think which you heard other humans say. You and Selling Platitudes By The River keep making the same mistake. You guys think you know more than me. You do not.

Edited yesterday at 10:29 AM by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No. I am saying that everyone who thinks they are enlightened is actually self-deceived and not actually conscious of God or Consciousness.

You are hallucinating the entire domain of enlightenment.

What about those who think they're "God-realized"? This is what I mean - it may well be a matter of semantics. And in either case, it is not a domain or just another distinction. That's the point. If it is an "enlightenment," by definition it is authentic, in the way the term is often used. Otherwise, if it's just an experience, don't call it that.

If the trueness of direct knowledge sits atop your thinking, you may in fact be self-deceived, whether you label it God-realization, kenshō, or walnuts.

Edited yesterday at 10:30 AM by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

What about those who think they're "God-realized"? This is what I mean - it may well be a matter of semantics. And in either case, it is not a domain or just another distinction. That's the point. If it is an "enlightenment," by definition it is authentic, in the way the term is often used. Otherwise, if it's just an experience, don't call it that.

If the trueness of direct knowledge sits atop your thinking, you may in fact be self-deceived, whether you label it God-realization, kenshō, or walnuts.

No. I truly am conscious of God. Virtually no one else is.

Of course you can't know if that is true. But I'm saying it is true.

I am so conscious of God that nothing humans say about God is correct. It's all illusions. And my consciousness of God is not an illusion.

Sounds unfair, but that's how it is. It's nothing personal.

Edited yesterday at 10:36 AM by Leo Gura

[Adrian colby]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

It is very strong but we will be doing low doses.

Around $1500 is the goal.

Dose is the key.

Mushrooms are not easy. Mushrooms will fuck you up bad. It all depends on the dose.

The doses on this retreat will be mild to enable contemplation.

I will show you guys the power of chemicals + contemplation in a way no one has taught you. It's not the size of the dose, it's how you use it. You will get way more from my protocol than from regular high dose trips.

I agree on lower dose and was trying to explain this to someone who kept pushing me to just take 5g and it would solve my problem 🙄. It doesn’t! I get far more out of low dose contemplations or just plain meditation contemplations which leads me to my next point of interest.

genetic mutation for differing metabolism. I stumbled across this when offering a fun fact about not eating grapefruit before taking cannabis. I’m becoming aware of a persons genetic disposition and a pathway that might explain why people like ourselves have easier access to expanded states on lower doses where others don’t. And it’s not actually a case of dose…

I recall you mentioned you had thyroid issues ( I’m not sure you said hypo or hyper). If it is a case that it down regulates, this is actually a pathway that extends chemical binding in receptors so your nervous system has more time to stabilise and explore in the altered state compared to other people making it more accessible to you to have profound insights. 
 

I have a genetic mutation in my cyp17 that affects p450 enzyme function the same as thyroid affects p450. This enzyme is involved in breaking down chemicals so if you have a predisposition to slowing down that metabolic process, you’re more likely to have extended receptor binding. More quality time in the altered state not necessarily dose. It’s like naturally lemonteking where the gateway of perception is open wider for longer ( the longer only applied to slower metabolisers) 
 

personally I prefer low dose to keep the intellect in tact and to ‘bring’ it into the state.

people with regular metabolic systems go into and out of peak experiences more rapidly making it harder for them to settle and observe which is why you get quite a few becoming disorientated and incapable of integrating. Their nervous system doesn’t have time to stabilise in the experience.

i was going to write a more comprehensive piece about it elsewhere in the forum but though it would be of interest. 
 

im looking at things like grapefruit to help with slowing metabolic processing of the compounds after learning my own genetic-enzyme production and processing pathways operate much the same way and this might help people on a lower dose who normally need a higher dose. It’s more about extending the receptor binding time so they have the chance to stabilise in the state so they can observe it properly.