Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Something Funny]

6 minutes ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

I remember years and years ago, watching his stuff and being interested that he was having the kinds of conversations he did and the way he did it. Challenging certain thoughts and it really got me thinking so he was a pretty big figure for me. 
 

Again, I don’t agree with a lot of the stuff he said or how he said it, especially, but it’s still a big deal to lose him. 

 

I see, I don't feel bad for him, but I do for you. I am sorry. 

[PurpleTree]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Charlie Kirk was a vile fascist propagandist. But even so, killing him is not right. This is bad for democracy.

It’s also dumb.

What is it going to solve to kill the guy?

Is it going to solve any problems? Nope

[Leo Gura]

"I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage."

"It's worth to have the cost of, unfortunately, some guns deaths each year so we can have the 2nd Amendment."

-- Charlie Kirk

[DocWatts]

3 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

I guess I was hoping that it would show people like him, and Trump, and Putin, and all the other pieces of ... drunk on power, that they are not untouchable, and that they are not beyond suffering the consequences of their actions.

But it's probably wishful thinking.

The far-right wants nothing more than for the resistance to fascism to turn violent, because it gives them an easy pretext to carry out their violent fantasies against the elements of society that they don't like - the Left, black and brown Americans, LGBT folks, trans people. 

So let's not give them what they want.

Edited Wednesday at 09:23 PM by DocWatts

[hoodrow trillson]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Killing him does nothing to reduce fascism. The opposite I would say. It makes him a martyr. This empowers the far right by making them feel like they stand for something noble.

You don’t know that.  What if it goes the other way?  This is a crazy reality check for sure.

[kray]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Killing him does nothing to reduce fascism. The opposite I would say. It makes him a martyr. This empowers the far right by making them feel like they stand for something noble.

Already seeing a ton of posts on threads and X calling for a revolution against the “left”. Truly scary times.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

12 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

America has a conservative party that's fully embraced fascism (The Republicans) and a centrist party with a center-left wing (The Democrats).

I disagree that the GOP has embraced fascism, but rather a nationalistic, anti-globalist, populism, and nativism.

But yes, AOC was right when she said that the Democrats are not a left party, that we don't have a left party in America. She correctly pointed out that the Democrats are a centrist party with left members. 

https://www.newsweek.com/aoc-says-democratic-party-center-conservative-party-adds-we-dont-have-left-party-us-1483218

Edited Wednesday at 09:28 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[DocWatts]

2 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I disagree that the GOP has embraced fascism, but rather a nationalistic, anti-globalist, populism, and nativism.

You're not incorrect, but I'd argue that it's a distinction without a difference. It could just as easily be argued that MAGA is just what 21st century fascism looks like - it just depends on how narrow or broad one defines fascism.

Edited Wednesday at 09:25 PM by DocWatts

[Something Funny]

Just now, DocWatts said:

The far-right wants nothing more than for the resistance to fascism to turn violent, because it gives them an easy pretext to carry out their violent fantasies against the 'impure' elements of society that they don't like - the Left, black and brown Americans, LGBT folks, trans people. 

So let's not give them what they want, eh?

Why is everyone acting like they are the only ones capable of fighting back?

"Oh no, lets not make them mad. Lets all walk on tippy-toes to not wake up those scary fascists". 

[Recursoinominado]

2 minutes ago, kray said:

Already seeing a ton of posts on threads and X calling for a revolution against the “left”. Truly scary times.

Owen Cook called Charlie Kirk "A Great American Hero" and compared him to Martin Luther King and Malcom X lol

[Recursoinominado]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

Why is everyone acting like they are the only ones capable of fighting back?

"Oh no, lets not make them mad. Lets all walk on tippy-toes to not wake up those scary fascists". 

I am a full-blown leftist, but we are never going to win a war against fascists...

Leftists hate guns, aren't used to violence, don't know how to fight, and have no balls. 

[hoodrow trillson]

1 minute ago, kray said:

Already seeing a ton of posts on threads and X calling for a revolution against the “left”. Truly scary times.

y’know, sometimes I think this (the whole current political world) is all happening in a giant invisible bubble of chronically online people.  Almost like a map placed upon a territory and deemed as real by these people.  Some even write internet memes on their AR-15 magazines.

You speak to someone who isn’t online a lot and they’re like “Wait why does this person hate [subject]?  That’s weird.  And who are they?” It’s not that they have their head in the sand, it’s just that they’re not plugged in.

[Lyubov]

Glad this shitbag got sent back to god. More billionaires now please. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Recursoinominado said:

Owen Cook called Charlie Kirk "A Great American Hero" and compared him to Martin Luther King and Malcom X lol

Shameful.

Owen has really lost the plot. That's what pickup ideology does to the mind.

[Something Funny]

2 minutes ago, Recursoinominado said:

I am a full-blown leftist, but we are never going to win a war against fascists...

Leftists hate guns, aren't used to violence, don't know how to fight, and have no balls. 

lol, not with that attitude. Good thing you weren't born during the WW2 era or we would be fked right now.

[DocWatts]

9 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Why is everyone acting like they are the only ones capable of fighting back?

"Oh no, lets not make them mad. Lets all walk on tippy-toes to not wake up those scary fascists". 

Nonviolent does not mean 'nice' or 'nonconfrontational'. Plenty of ways to go scorched earth against a regime without  resorting to killing people.

Violence is counterproductive for pro-democracy movements - it produces a rally around the flag affect for the regime, and is antithetical to separating a regime from its pillars of support. It's also anathema to being able to create stable, democratic outcomes afterwards.

Look to what happened in Russia or China after their civil wars to see how easily a violent insurgency can become worse than the regime it replaced.

Edited Wednesday at 09:35 PM by DocWatts

[Flowerfaeiry]

Yeah, low-key, it is very weird that I broke down in tears about this because I do not agree with a lot of the things he said. I think that it’s because he has been in my “circle “for so long watching his stuff years ago. 

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Something Funny said:

lol, not with that attitude. Good thing you weren't born during the WW2 era or we would be fked right now.

It's fine to fight fascists, but killing civilians for their free speech is not that.

[Lyubov]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Killing him does nothing to reduce fascism. The opposite I would say. It makes him a martyr. This empowers the far right by making them feel like they stand for something noble.

It empowers the left to grow a pair and fight for their democracy 

[ExploringReality]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

"I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage."

"It's worth to have the cost of, unfortunately, some guns deaths each year so we can have the 2nd Amendment."

-- Charlie Kirk

@Leo Gura

Basically, live by the gun, die by the gun.