The craziest things happened when I drank ayahusca

[James123]

@Wilhelm44 my brother, if you are really want to walk the path, i suggest you to check entire life, work, word and path of Rumi.

[Wilhelm44]

11 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Wilhelm44 my brother, if you are really want to walk the path, i suggest you to check entire life, work, word and path of Rumi.

Much thanks.

[Nemra]

@Vibes, as a beginner in the world of psychedelics, I am starting to realize how much power intention has when using them.

If one does not want the truth and is mesmerized by beliefs, it seems that psychedelics would be of little to no help to break outside from beliefs.

Edited 18 hours ago by Nemra

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Ok but you see he does not make Christianity his identity.  You can see that in his words.  He isn't coming out with the real reason he remains a Christian but it's not because of Jesus.

What does that mean? I call myself spiritual, I do spiritual things, you can say it's my identity, but it's not my only identity. He calls himself Christian, he goes to Church and sings songs, prays, goes on pilgrimages. It's his identity, but it's not his only identity.

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

What does that mean? I call myself spiritual, I do spiritual things, you can say it's my identity, but it's not my only identity. He calls himself Christian, he goes to Church and sings songs, prays, goes on pilgrimages. It's his identity, but it's not his only identity.

Well..if it's his identity then he has redefined what it means to be a Christian.  Because as a few people have now stated those that consider themselves Christians also understand that this is the only way.  Any other way will not result in liberation.   So here he has redefined the rules.  I can do that too.  So can everyone.   But then what is left of that structure, that identity, if everyone is willing to pull it apart. 

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well..if it's his identity then he has redefined what it means to be a Christian.  Because as a few people have now stated those that consider themselves Christians also understand that this is the only way.  Any other way will not result in liberation.   So here he has redefined the rules.  I can do that too.  So can everyone.   But then what is left of that structure, that identity, if everyone is willing to pull it apart. 

This is a rule probably many Christians follow, but not all. If people call themselves Christian and they do tangible Christian stuff, that seems reasonable. It's not like the term doesn't describe anything. It describes something they do which is Christian.

There are words for these different types of Christians (as well as the other models I've alluded to): exclusivists, inclusivists, pluralists/universalists.

https://munsonmissions.org/2019/01/15/chapter-5-models-of-ird-part-1/

[UnbornTao]

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

This is a rule probably many Christians follow, but not all. If people call themselves Christian and they do tangible Christian stuff, that seems reasonable. It's not like the term doesn't describe anything. It describes something they do which is Christian.

There are words for these different types of Christians (as well as the other models I've alluded to): exclusivists, inclusivists, pluralists/universalists.

https://munsonmissions.org/2019/01/15/chapter-5-models-of-ird-part-1/

I think he changed it to fit his personal identity..not the other way around.  Thats why it's so easy to tell him other possibilities.   Yeah you can categorize those types of Christians but a hard Christian won't accept this at all.   

Edited 19 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think he changed it to fit his personal identity..not the other way around.  Thats why it's so easy to tell him other possibilities.

Not sure what you mean.

 

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah you can categorize those types of Christians but a hard Christian won't accept this at all.   

Of course. An exclusivist is not an inclusivist or pluralist/universalist.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Not sure what you mean.

 

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It leaves him open to other possibilities.   It means he isn't fixed on Christianity.   

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

It leaves him open to other possibilities.   It means he isn't fixed on Christianity.   

I think you're underselling how little of a "hard Christian" he is. He seems to use it merely as a spiritual tool, just like you use meditation. He just likes Christianity a lot and engages in the practices. It's like you liking focused attention meditation a lot. Now, that "instrumentalist" approach doesn't have to make him "not Christian", just like it doesn't make you not spiritual (New Age spiritual in my book).

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

 He just likes Christianity a lot and engages in the practices

 

Lol.

[Carl-Richard]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Lol.

He seems to fit the term of "Liberal Christian Universalist":

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Liberal Christian Universalists include some members of mainline Protestant denominations, some people influenced by the New Age and New Thought movements, some people in the emerging church movement, some Unitarian Universalists who continue to follow Jesus as their primary spiritual teacher, and some Christians from other religious backgrounds.

Liberal Christian Universalism emphasizes the all-inclusive love of God and tends to be more open to finding truth and value in non-Christian spiritual traditions compared to the attitude of other forms of Christian Universalism, while remaining generally Christ-centered. [...]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_universalism

Edited 18 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

He seems to fit the term of "Liberal Christian Universalist":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_universalism

Mmkay.

[r0ckyreed]

This is an example of fake spirituality. The mind is very sneaky constructing its illusions. Psychedelics alone won't deconstruct illusions if the intention behind the trip is to maintain the illusion.

Edited 14 hours ago by r0ckyreed

[Thought Art]

Hmm, I think it’s good to be open and humble about the conclusions drawn from tripping. 

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

This is an example of fake spirituality.

I was waiting for this comment. The choice of words for that video was perfect for the type of thought terminating clichés we "true spiritual people" all love so much 

Edited 11 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Jodistrict]

Don’t get hung up with the story.  If somone had a trip, but the effect continued after the drug wore off, and it appears to have initiated a positive influence, that means that an energy was activated and energy is real.  Somone from a different culture might label it Kundalini or Shakti energy.  Again, don’t get hung up on stories.  If it affects your life in a positive way that is something real.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

14 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Sober? 😆

Haha

I have those strange thought 'pickups' quite frequently. Similar to what you describe.

I am quite familiar with how my thoughts arrive - how they span out sequentially. How glancing at objects triggers a new thought stream. How I got from this thought, to that thought, then onto the next etc rapid fire. So fast - like recalling a song. All the notes...thousands of notes and instrument tunes in a song. You can easily think of a song right, sing it in the mind? Thoughts, to me, are perceived in such a rapid manner.

It's when I cannot figure out where the sequence that produced the thought originated from - that's a clue I picked it up. Almost as if I am perceiving a thought form. Its all very woo sounding because it cannot be empirically tested. The only way to confirm is to test the thought against reality. If they are congruent it confirms it. But then it's not a measure really as I am providing a subjective, internally perceived metric to compare reality against.

I highly suspect I am getting cold reads of body language, tone and facial expression as these foreign thought forms are local and from individuals in my direct experience. I have a talent for reading others - especially if I have their baseline. I am a little witch voyeur watching people.. I notice things many people do not.

So as much as I like to think it is woo - I bet I am somehow perceiving/feeling something real, triggering a thought and unable to bridge the gap of understanding  

This is why meditation is so important to me! To identify

Edited 9 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[ExploringReality]

@Flowerfaeiry

You are Jesus, Buddha, Krishna ect... They are all projections of your mind.

Whatever you admire in them are really yourself admiring yourself projected outwards. They are all states of mind