The craziest things happened when I drank ayahusca

[Vibes]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, to me, the intriguing thing is that psychedelics can reinforce one's beliefs.

It seems it can make what is happening in one's experience so stark, obvious, and ever-present that can make one believe that operating on beliefs has always been superior. So if one is filled with beliefs, they will be more entrenched in it.

What do you say?

In my experience, that does happen. Even Leo's teachings become beliefs amplified during trips. I can see this now looking back but during the trip is not obvious. But also, I had a few reality changing experiences, those I'd call real awakenings. Where for example I felt totally obviously that the world is my mind / is inside my mind, and I already knew that since I was a child, but perspective has changed and I was blind to that. And the times I recognize as probably just beliefs, they have a thought feel to them, they are not as reality changing as that experience. Like the difference between imagining  vividly jumping on a pool and actually doing it.

And I say probably beliefs because even now, it's hard to distinguish many experiences. 

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Jesus triggers everyone on this forum.

It's partially due to crypto-materialism, partially due to postmodern individualistic spirituality (what I call "New Age"). When you're a crypto-materialist, you're very skeptical of psychic powers, miracles, etc., so Jesus becomes most likely a fraudster. When you're a postmodern individualist, you deny or de-emphasize religious stories as representing anything factual and emphasize their sociohistorical foundations, so Jesus becomes not real.

Edited yesterday at 01:33 PM by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's partially due to crypto-materialism, partially due to postmodern individualistic spirituality (what I call "New Age"). When you're a crypto-materialist, you're very skeptical of psychic powers, miracles, etc., so Jesus becomes most likely a fraudster. When you're a postmodern individualist, you deny or de-emphasize religious stories as representing anything factual and emphasize their sociohistorical foundations, so Jesus becomes not real.

I think its because Christianity is so widespread.  It's so very deeply ingrained, even more than Judaism.  Way more.  Try working your way out of that one or deconstructing that.  It's almost impossible. 

Edited yesterday at 01:39 PM by Inliytened1

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

I think its because Christianity is so widespread.  It's so very deeply ingrained, even more than Judaism.  Way more.

Oh ok, so contrarianism 🤣

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Oh ok, so contrarianism 🤣

You made me think.  It's the people not the religion.  

[UnbornTao]

3 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Jesus triggers everyone on this forum.

The fantasy and faith-based thinking does.

For starters, did any of us meet Jesus? What do we know about him?

[Wilhelm44]

3 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

The fantasy and faith-based thinking does.

For starters, did any of us meet Jesus? What do we know about him?

Oh come on, you can say that about any historical figure. You don't unintentionally start the biggest religious cult in the world without being around. There was some real pure energy behind this thing, no matter how distorted it has become. 

[Breakingthewall]

The Christ archetype comes closer to true openness, probably more than any other mystical figure. It involves the total humiliation of the ego, the total opening of the heart through the acceptance of martyrdom, the surrender after which the closed capsule opens and total glory is manifested.

The problem is that it is interpreted as if Jesus is a divine being and must be worshipped. Jesus is the core within every human being; the Trinity is the threefold division of humanity: the Father, the Absolute from which reality emanates; the Son, the heart of the individual in whom the Total dwells; the Holy Spirit, the Mind, which creates a new dimension of existence. Only through the Son does one access the "Kingdom of Heaven," becoming one with the Total. Only through the total opening of the heart does one see that one is one with the Absolute

[Schizophonia]

It's a way to see the energy

[James123]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

No, i dont mean the spiritual stuff. People are claiming he never existed as a historical figure.

İmo, the your real question should be for you;

İf you never learned who is Jesus,

Will he be still existed for you?

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Oh come on, you can say that about any historical figure.

Of course - that's the point.

See above: there's a difference between the legend and the man. He was a human. Could you imagine him swearing, getting dressed, or taking a shit? Apparently, he had some anger management issues, too.

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You don't unintentionally start the biggest religious cult in the world without being around. There was some real pure energy behind this thing, no matter how distorted it has become. 

For sure. I'm not saying he wasn't a profoundly enlightened guy. Then again, what do we know for sure? How much of it is historical hearsay?

The gripe is with the way people relate to this whole business. It's worth checking what you actually know about historical figures. People, by and large, are followers - they want to be told how to behave and what to believe.

Edited yesterday at 03:12 PM by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Water by the River said:

The ones who dabble into subtle and/or psychic realms (including psychedelic journeys) without protection and not taking these possible dark aspects/beings serious, and at the same time claim "its all imagined, nothing serious, no "real" evil here for sure" have the high risk to come back with

• some forms of influences from darker energies/beings/tricksters in various forms attached to them as leeches, manipulating them and leeching off their resulting negative energy (Spangler, Subtle Worlds. Field Notes Seventeen – Here be Dragons)

Do you think that they are dark energies that makes psychedelic travelers be influenced by them? I think it's simply their narcissism, which prevents them from truly opening up. They only find what they're really looking for: self-importance. No demon is needed to deceive them, since they long to be deceived; in fact, their psychic structure is self-deception.

[Wilhelm44]

25 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's partially due to crypto-materialism, partially due to postmodern individualistic spirituality (what I call "New Age"). When you're a crypto-materialist, you're very skeptical of psychic powers, miracles, etc., so Jesus becomes most likely a fraudster. When you're a postmodern individualist, you deny or de-emphasize religious stories as representing anything factual and emphasize their sociohistorical foundations, so Jesus becomes not real.

Hey, you made a post about your dreams predicting the future. 

I think that doing consciousness work actually opens us up more to the possibility of so called miracles etc.

Top Jesus quote of all time, I'm paraphrasing - "What I have done, you shall do also, and so much more."

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

İmo, the your real question should be for you;

İf you never learned who is Jesus,

Will he be still existed for you?

I should have you talk to my gf.  But these types of talks don't work on hard evangelists because they have it so deeply ingrained you can't shake it.  They will not think like you and I do.

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Of course. That's the point.

See above regarding the distinction between the legend and the individual. He was a human. Could you imagine him swearing, getting dressed, or shitting?

For sure. I'm not saying he wasn't a profoundly enlightened guy. Then again, what do we know for sure? How much of it is based on historical hearsay?

The gripe is with the relationship that people adopt towards this whole business. It's useful to check what you actually know regarding historical figures. People are essentially followers that want to be told what to believe and how to behave.

I'm not religious, but I have no problem with Jesus having existed as a regular dude on planet earth.

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I should have you talk to my gf.  But these types of talks don't work on hard evangelists because they have it so deeply ingrained you can't shake it.  They will not think like you and I do.

You are right. 👍 

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I mean I like to think I am reasonably grounded - but I see fucken DMT entities, have had alien experiences.

Sober? 😆

 

9 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I even perceive thoughts that aren't my own picked up from outside sources - which I find verified in reality. I do not draw conclusions without a real knowing. But the strangeness and mystery is THERE.

Haha. One time when I sat in the sauna at the gym, a guy stepped in and started meditating. And my thoughts stopped. Normally I'm much more prone to mind-wandering, maybe partially because that is what most people do in the sauna. That made me much more aware of how you can pick up thoughts or lack of thoughts from others (even though I already knew "transmission" was a thing, this experience made it palpable with respect to thoughts specifically). And I believe sometimes I do pick up specific thoughts from others (in the sauna and otherwise).

One time in a lecture, we were about to go overtime into the break, and I had a distinct thought form in my mind associated with "break" (I don't remember how specific it was), and immediately as that happened, the most extroverted and spontaneous person in the class asked "aren't we supposed to take a break now?". That literally felt like I picked out the thought as it was forming in his mind (or maybe the class' mind) before he vocalized it. And my mind is usually very silent and focused on the lecture, so when any seemingly unrelated thought pops up, it's very noticeable.

Another slightly annoying thing is that when I'm in a class where people don't seem to grasp the subject very well, I can feel it, and my mind keeps trying to take the perspective of the person that doesn't understand. So I have to parallel process their perspective and my own 🫠 Gives new meaning to "you're as smart as the people you hang out with" 🤣

Edited yesterday at 02:15 PM by Carl-Richard

[Wilhelm44]

14 minutes ago, James123 said:

İmo, the your real question should be for you;

İf you never learned who is Jesus,

Will he be still existed for you?

The real question is, why are we talking about Jesus being a fantasy, and not treating Buddha and Muhammed equally harshly ?  

I think the answer is that Christianity as a religion has done such a diabolical number on so many people, that people would love to delete it's 'founder' all together.

 

Edited yesterday at 02:13 PM by Wilhelm44

[James123]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

The real question is, why are we talking about Jesus being a fantasy, and not treating Buddha and Muhammed equally harshly ?  

I think the answer is that Christianity as a religion has done such a diabolical number on so many people, that people would love to delete it's 'founder' all together.

 

Forget about all these, we are fantasy itself.

[Water by the River]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you think that they are dark energies that makes psychedelic travelers be influenced by them?

Do you believe that all is calm, positive and enchanting in the subtle realms?  Humanity has told a different story over the millenia concerning the darker entities in some of these realms. Hic sunt dracones.