The craziest things happened when I drank ayahusca

[Flowerfaeiry]

8 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

For example, why wasn't the Buddha, or Lao Tzu, the ones who did it for you? 

They are not the most high and I wanted the highest spiritual truth.

[samijiben]

1 minute ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

Yeah and has been for 2,000 years? With what I’ve seen I’m not buying it. Theres something very very real here.

Yes, but it has nothing to do with 2000 years. There is SOMETHING VERY VERY REAL HERE! STOP GOING FOR JESUS COPOUTS AND LOON AT THE ACTUAL THING DAMNIT!

this kinda frustrating lol. You seem to be utterly closeminded & unwilling to consider what the kind & thoughtful folk of this community have taken their sweet time to respond to your bs with..

Instead of consideration, youre just responding "But you didnt see Jesus like I did!"

So why you tryna prove it to us? Go dwell in your JesusLand ChristConsciousness lol. If it were really true, you would have no stake in the game. But youre tryna prove it to us. That shows thst you are unconsciously defending beliefs. Thats not what this work is about.

[samijiben]

4 minutes ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

I’m not hallucinating visions of Jesus. I’m saying his name while under spiritual attack. 

Who is attacking you? Is it tje Devil? Or is tue Holy Ghost this time? 

No, you are attacking yourself unconsciously & calling upon Jesus (also yourself), which then creates the illusion of being helped since u outsourced your power to Jesus. 

@Flowerfaeiry do you not see that you are imagining Jesus into existence!

[UnbornTao]

11 hours ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

They are not the most high and I wanted the highest spiritual truth.

It's been said that the Buddha was 'completely' awakened - hard to get beyond that, as inconceivable as that is.

It's also plausible that Jesus traveled to the east and studied Buddhism and yoga during his so-called "lost years." What if he was a Buddhist?

Reading the Gospel of Thomas, you can see clear parallels with Buddhist sutras.

Edited Sunday at 02:12 PM by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

All historical figures are imaginary.

You know none of them.

You would understand this if you were actuallty doing the work.

You guys neglect to do the actual work, which disappoints me.

Edited Sunday at 02:39 AM by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

All historical figures are imaginary.

You know none of them.

You would understand this if you were actuallty doing the work.

You guys neglect to do the actual work, which disappoints me.

Yeah. 

It's useful to start with basic facts: Jesus was a man who lived and died thousands of years ago.

We readily conflate the image or legend with the individual. 

Edited Sunday at 03:04 AM by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

27 minutes ago, samijiben said:

Exactly, or SantaClaus. Why you thi k Laotzi better than SantaClaus?? I dont see LaoTzi getting his FatAss down the chimney.

It's funny, the existence of Lao Tzu as a real historical person is uncertain, and there's no scholarly consensus on the matter.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Yeah. 

It's useful to start with basic facts: Jesus was a man who died thousands of years ago.

We readily conflate the image or legend with the individual. 

I agree.

Jesus, Buddha etc - they are stories. 

Most of what was written about them probably happened well after their existence ended, inflating them to legendary status. Stories through chinese whispers.

They have nothing to do with what is real now (whatever that may be, DON'T MAKE ME CONTEMPLATE :P)

[samijiben]

17 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

It's funny, the existence of Lao Tzu as a real historical person is uncertain, and there's no scholarly consensus on the matter.

Not the point. Point is that Lao Tzi was/is no more enlightened than Jesus/Santa/Trump. 

Who holds the final measuring stick of enlightenment?

[UnbornTao]

8 minutes ago, samijiben said:

Not the point. Point is that Lao Tzi was/is no more enlightened than Jesus/Santa/Trump. 

I know it wasn't the point; I was just sharing that little fun fact.

Probably exclude Trump from the list - but leave Santa.

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Who holds the final measuring stick of enlightenment?

@Carl-Richard's gaydar, of course.  (for context, there's another thread where some of us joked about this.)

On a serious note, the direct consciousness itself is the 'who.' 

Edited Sunday at 03:14 AM by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

28 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I agree.

Jesus, Buddha etc - they are stories. 

Most of what was written about them probably happened well after their existence ended, inflating them to legendary status. Stories through chinese whispers.

They have nothing to do with what is real now (whatever that may be, DON'T MAKE ME CONTEMPLATE :P)

Definitely.

[Jodistrict]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

My brotha, Jesus created a world religion. Not to shit on Ramana, but some of the awakened beings of history are unmatched in their level of realization and embodiment.

Jesus didn't create a religion.  He never talked about creating a new religion, nor indicated that he was outside the Jewish tradition.  It was Paul that created Christianity.  

[samijiben]

10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

I know it wasn't the point; I was just sharing that little fun fact.

Probably exclude Trump from the list - but leave Santa.

@Carl-Richard's gaydar, of course.  (for context, there's another thread where some of us joked about this.)

On a serious note, the direct consciousness itself is the 'who.' 

Thanks for me making me laugh, dude.

[Jodistrict]

42 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Yeah. 

It's useful to start with basic facts: Jesus was a man who lived and died thousands of years ago.

We readily conflate the image or legend with the individual. 

It’s interesting that we can infer from the Bible that there were loads of people who came across Jesus and didn’t see anything special about him.  The Bible mentions he wasn’t believed in his own village.  This is actually quit realistic.  There was also loads of people who never saw Ramakrishna as special.  Most people are too low vibration to recognize an enlightened being, and he becomes invisible.  Most people saw Ramakrishna as ordinary but Vivekananda fell at his feet and recognized he was God.

[Recursoinominado]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

All historical figures are imaginary.

You know none of them.

You would understand this if you were actuallty doing the work.

You guys neglect to do the actual work, which disappoints me.

I mean, yeah, everything is maya, imaginary in the ultimate sense, but can't sages, gurus, saints and masters be a good influence and guide that helps you ultimately deconstruct maya? 

[ExploringReality]

These figures are imaginary of one universal infinite mind, which is the Self, God, True Nature. But even this can be turned into something outside of Yourself and believed in. They key is to realize you are imagining everything, and that all experiences and states of consciousness are a projection of the ineffable.

Also my trips on LSD and Psilocybin, I have realized and bathed in deep states of consciousness and had hallucinations of kali and many other deity's but I broke through to the discovery and realization of the Ultimate Self. The final boss in a sense, that everything is the Self and there is only the self playing hide and seek, and sneaking up on yourself saying "boo" to scare yourself. To get lost in fantasy and illusion. Also I've realized the baby that sits and plays with colored balls, laughing, crying. But there is only this immortal, eternal baby with nothing but it, all outside is within.

I've also hallucinated the paradoxical nature of existence and consciousness. The baby is the mother is the father, a perfect strangeloop. Imagine being a baby and the mother at the same time.

Edited Sunday at 03:37 AM by ExploringReality

[Natasha Tori Maru]

If we didn't have these hearsay stories regarding enlightened figures from the past - would you still interpret your experiences as being (for example) the 'Christ' that came to you?

Without the pre-existing story - there wouldn't be any association or mental linking. No potential for a misunderstanding. Only a knowing.

This is why it is essential to act and realize from a space of not-knowing.

[Carl-Richard]

Probably a lot of stories were made up. But sainthood is a real possibility. And if you have a true saint, there is no reason why not some of it can resonate through history. And I just believe in psychic shit, call me New Age or whatever, call me damaged goods from being in a cult near a decade ago. But connecting to a saint from long times past does not seem like an unreasonable possibility. But of course you can go bonkers with it too, but that's on you.

[Jodistrict]

The Hindus see different paths.  You can either approach the absolute directly or approach the absolute through forms.  People have different temperments making them suitable for different approaches.    

[Carl-Richard]

37 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Jesus didn't create a religion.  He never talked about creating a new religion, nor indicated that he was outside the Jewish tradition.  It was Paul that created Christianity.  

I was going to use the word "spawn", but the overly concrete people are going to dig themselves a ditch anyway.