How did you make peace with Solopsism?

[Spiral Wizard]

After my recent trip, it kind of pulled the rug beneth my feet and zaped my enthusiasm for many things like relationships and my life purpose because what's the point if ultimately they don't really exist. It seemed like all of life is (to variing degrees) dissatsfying and non of it will be as fulfilling as mahasamadhi into the singularity.

So (if you did) how did you make peace with Solopsism? And is it possible to already be complete & fulfilled in this life? (Please only answer the latter question if you actually had both consciousness of solipsism & are fulfilled in this life). I'm not interested in philosophy or concepts, mostly only in your experaince to know what's actually possible or to know how fucked I am after peeking behind the event horizing of the black hole of consciousness   Thanks!

Edited 20 hours ago by Spiral Wizard

[samijiben]

I got no experience bro, just want to say that you are not fucked, don't despair, light at end of tunnel, blahblahblah

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Spiral Wizard said:

how did you make peace with Solopsism?

What you do is, you stop thinking about it, you fall back into the dream, and you enjoy the dream.

Stop torturing yourself, basically.

Like I said on my blog, this work is about learning to love illusion. Stop wanting things to be real. Want things to be illusions.

Fall in love with the beauty of illusion.

Edited 19 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

Fear God/Death. 

Heres a story

Nachiketa and Yama (Katha Upanishad): This is perhaps the most direct and famous Hindu story addressing the fear of death as a catalyst for spiritual knowledge. Young Nachiketa's father, in a fit of anger during a ritual, declares that he will give Nachiketa to Yama, the God of Death. Fearlessly, Nachiketa goes to Yama's abode. When Yama is away, Nachiketa waits patiently for three days and nights without food or water. Impressed by his perseverance and respect, Yama offers him three boons.

Nachiketa uses his first two boons for worldly concerns. For his third boon, he asks Yama: "When a man dies, there is this doubt: some say that he exists, and some say that he does not. I want to know this, taught by you. This is the third of my boons."

Yama initially tries to dissuade Nachiketa, offering him long life, wealth, beautiful women, and vast kingdoms. But Nachiketa remains firm, understanding that these worldly pleasures are transient. His unwavering desire to know the truth about death and the afterlife compels Yama to reveal the profound wisdom of the Atman (the Self) and Brahman (the ultimate reality).

The Awakening: Through Yama's teachings, Nachiketa learns that the true Self is unborn, eternal, undying, and distinct from the perishable body. This knowledge frees him from the fear of death, as he realizes his true nature is beyond the limitations of birth and death. The story is a powerful allegory for seeking ultimate truth beyond superficial existence.

Edited 19 hours ago by Hojo

[Sempiternity]

Yep, you let yourself fall back asleep. You can be a lucid dreamer, aware that it's all your dream and none of it matters at all, or you can make yourself forget and enjoy it all as if it's all real. It's all your choice. 

[Sempiternity]

Another thing one can do is accept that it's all you.

Existence is = to Being, which is = Now, which is = to Consciousness, which is all there is. Everything experienced happens within Consciousness. Consciousness is God creating itself, out of nothing, to appear to be this reality experiencing itself through a first-person perspective. And makes itself think that there is more outside of direct experience, and that everything within direct experience is all separate, even though it's all one thing: Consciousness/Dream/Illusion/God/You.

If you don't resist Solipsism, you accept that it's all you. There is no separation to anything. Everyone you love is you. That's unity. That's real love.

That separation is the disconnect you feel with everyone. Unity is the real deal love. 

 

 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Sempiternity

[Terell Kirby]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Stop torturing yourself, basically.

I tortured myself long enough only to realize that torture itself is an illusion, it was time to let it go at that point

[SOUL]

Just BE at peace, it's not something to make.

[Spiral Wizard]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

What you do is, you stop thinking about it, you fall back into the dream, and you enjoy the dream.

Is the only solution ignorance? 

That's been my initial reaction, just try to forget it. But just going backwards doesn't seem like the right move. The best answer I've come up with is to somehow integrate the awakening/consciousness with ignorance/separateness/story.

I feel there is a way to enjoy/engage the illusion without entrenching oneself in it. 

Right now, I'm experimenting with forgetting/finding joy in the illusion and then, when I'm relieved, slowly remembering God again. It seems like slowly and gently swinging the pendulum between the two somehow reconciles them. It's like: ah, being God, all alone, imagining all of this, isn't that bad when it's still enjoyable. And slowly, it seems to reveal the meaning of why I would incarnate anyway. Somehow, every incarnation and every awakening to the Godhead seems to 'add' something to the fullness of consciousness. But I haven't fully understood why and how.

Incarnation may be a finite thing, I'm not sure if eventually God never incarnates again because it got the point. It seemed like this may be my last life ever, but maybe I'm wrong. And I'd like to figure out if it is because that has ramifications. If this is actually my last life before returning to the singularity forever, that's daunting. But if I somehow know I'll return from the singularity (which I don't understand why I would) - in that - it would reveal the meaning, the necessary 'mechanic' or reason why I incarnate. When I know that, it'll be much easier to make peace with the experience of life right now rather than seeing it as a 'suboptimal' state to go through just to eventually return to the real game/fulfilling state: singularity. 

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Fall in love with the beauty of illusion.

Could you please elaborate on this? How can I fall in love with deluding myself? 

Also @Leo Gura why do you say 'You Are God'. My experience of solipsism just revealed that I am God and all others are literally just my dream. So it doesn't make sense to tell anyone 'You Are God' because they are literally just an NPC/a puppet of my consciousness as God. The only conscious being/player in existence is my perspective. 

1 hour ago, Sempiternity said:

Another thing one can do is accept that it's all you.

Existence is = to Being, which is = Now, which is = to Consciousness, which is all there is. Everything experienced happens within Consciousness. Consciousness is God creating itself, out of nothing, to appear to be this reality experiencing itself through a first-person perspective. And makes itself think that there is more outside of direct experience, and that everything within direct experience is all separate, even though it's all one thing: Consciousness/Dream/Illusion/God/You.

If you don't resist Solipsism, you accept that it's all you. There is no separation to anything. Everyone you love is you. That's unity. That's real love.

That separation is the disconnect you feel with everyone. Unity is the real deal love. 

Interesting! 

Edited 17 hours ago by Spiral Wizard

[samijiben]

I think bro that the solution to your problem is gonna come from within

In all seriousness (of which, hardly any remains), you mustn't fall into the advice-junkie rabbit hole where you endlessly search for the magical words that will solve your epic conundrum/predicament/crisis (or whatever)

You had and have and will continue to BE the answer all along.

You are the Truth!

Oooohhhhhmmmmm!!!!

[Spiral Wizard]

2 minutes ago, samijiben said:

I think bro that the solution to your problem is gonna come from within

In all seriousness (of which, hardly any remains), you mustn't fall into the advice-junkie rabbit hole where you endlessly search for the magical words that will solve your epic conundrum/predicament/crisis (or whatever)

You had and have and will continue to BE the answer all along.

You are the Truth!

Oooohhhhhmmmmm!!!!

Haha 

Auuummmmm  

[OBEler]

3 hours ago, Spiral Wizard said:

 

Also @Leo Gura why do you say 'You Are God'. My experience of solipsism just revealed that I am God and all others are literally just my dream. So it doesn't make sense to tell anyone 'You Are God' because they are literally just an NPC/a puppet of my consciousness as God. The only conscious being/player in existence is my perspective. 

Interesting! 

Watch infinity of gods. They may puppets in your dream but they mirror another god consciousness who then experience from their perspective what you do to them.

 

Like if you play an online multiplayer game on your PC. You own the PC. You can play any game you want, you can manipulate every game as you want.but you decided to play a game others humans/gods play actually. So these pixel characters on the screen represent other people who play on their PC this game. Maybe with mods ,maybe with higher resolution and bigger screen. Maybe with a lag. So the game they play from their perspective is not exactly the same game as on your PC and you will never know that. 

If you shoot the illusion of a pixel character on your computer screen , some conscious being out there will experience to get shot on the game .  So would you say these pixels are just complete illusions? They represent another conscious being out there.

Edited 14 hours ago by OBEler

[CoolDreamThanks]

Solipsism is peace. It means there is nothing you need to do or change. Nothing means anything. You never did anything wrong or right. Nothing ever happened. 

But if you only keep solipsism at the conceptual level, then yes, you will feel unfulfilled.

Realizing life is a dream is only the first step to ultimate peace and liberation.

The second step is to go beyond concepts to a place of Peace inside and live from that Peace until that Peace dissolves the dream and you enter Mahasamadhi. 

[theleelajoker]

8 hours ago, Spiral Wizard said:

After my recent trip, it kind of pulled the rug beneth my feet and zaped my enthusiasm for many things like relationships and my life purpose because what's the point if ultimately they don't really exist. It seemed like all of life is (to variing degrees) dissatsfying and non of it will be as fulfilling as mahasamadhi into the singularity.

So (if you did) how did you make peace with Solopsism? And is it possible to already be complete & fulfilled in this life? (Please only answer the latter question if you actually had both consciousness of solipsism & are fulfilled in this life). I'm not interested in philosophy or concepts, mostly only in your experaince to know what's actually possible or to know how fucked I am after peeking behind the event horizing of the black hole of consciousness   Thanks!

I can relate to the lack of enthusiasm. For me it comes and goes in waves - some moments I am fully engaged and doing stuff, having fun, playing my role, enjoying the cosmic game and joke. And I also enjoy and appreciate all the good experiences life creates for me - friends, nature, food, women, interactions etc.  Other moments I am like "WTF am I doing here. Doesn't make any sense, no purpose, leads nowhere, it's all fake, there are no others, is all reflection etc etc. " and I just want to leave this reality. Tired of this shit.

Happy and fulfilled. Not happy and fulfilled. Repeat. 

 

1. So (if you did) how did you make peace with Solipsism? Yesterday I talked to a friend, and she said sth like "So you're lying to yourself, that's OK!" That kind of helped. And then the questions is: Either being non-existent or being in this reality, what would you choose? If you just sometimes feel like being here, that's already a win  And lastly - yeah, solipsism gives freedom re guilt, shame etc and there are no "wrong" actions. That helps a bit as well. 
2. And is it possible to already be complete & fulfilled in this life?  First I did not want to answer bc as described above, I don't fulfill the criteria of "constantly fulfilled in this life."  But maybe it's helpful anyway. I honestly don't know the answer and I am asking myself the same thing. Recently I talked to someone who SEEMED fulfilled and happy despite solipsism. Later this person told me that she started to take mood stabilizers. So...taking that experience with a grain of salt. Haven't met someone that is fulfilled, but everybody is a reflection of me so....makes sense I never met someone that is fulfilled. Speculating here, maybe the up's and downs are all we ever get? 

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Is the only solution ignorance? 

That's been my initial reaction, just try to forget it. But just going backwards doesn't seem like the right move

 

Does not work for me. Ever tried to actively forget something? 

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Like I said on my blog, this work is about learning to love illusion. Stop wanting things to be real. Want things to be illusions.

Fall in love with the beauty of illusion.

 

Makes some sense on the intellectual level.  Especially the "stop wanting things to be real", I can relate to that because I was looking for this "realness". But then - you have to "work" and you have "to learn" to "fall in love"?

Doesn't feel right to me. When did you ever work to fall in love with sme or sth? Of course you can say, you must learn and work to realize that you don't have to work and learn to fall in love. But then we go in circles  

Edited 12 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Javfly33]

To solipsisim to be real you have to be real first. 

And you are not, there is no world, you, or others. 

There is only empty Bliss. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Javfly33

[Dazgwny]

Because it’s so amazing and unbelievable. The intelligence of it all is so utterly bizarre, and everything else that comes with the realisation of solipsism, like how you pull the dream of real life and others off, things like that. And ordinary life doesn’t feel solipsistic anyway, or not at the levels of realisation on a trip anyway. It still feels like real life, so you just accept and get on with it. Maybe it isn’t so much so for everyone, maybe my mentality is just such that I can accept things for what they are. Maybe some over think, get lost and depressive or whatever. Don’t get me wrong I think about these things all the time, but for one reason or another I just find no negativity in any of it. Because a serious awakening is not negative at all, it’s absolutely fantastic and beautiful. So is only ego putting a negative spin on anything really

[Carl-Richard]

It's an egoic response to the cessation of self and other.

[Hojo]

Since I feared death and non existence so much when I heard solipsism it was like an ultra bonus. Like wow for me?? God do this for me?

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[Basman]

I remember a metaphor by Teal Swan that went something like "you entered a room to paint and now that you are sitting in front of the canvas you are working so hard to escape it." Not an exact quote. 

[James123]

12 hours ago, Spiral Wizard said:

After my recent trip, it kind of pulled the rug beneth my feet and zaped my enthusiasm for many things like relationships and my life purpose because what's the point if ultimately they don't really exist. It seemed like all of life is (to variing degrees) dissatsfying and non of it will be as fulfilling as mahasamadhi into the singularity.

So (if you did) how did you make peace with Solopsism? And is it possible to already be complete & fulfilled in this life? (Please only answer the latter question if you actually had both consciousness of solipsism & are fulfilled in this life). I'm not interested in philosophy or concepts, mostly only in your experaince to know what's actually possible or to know how fucked I am after peeking behind the event horizing of the black hole of consciousness   Thanks!

Solipsism is an idea of the mind. You as a body or mind is an illusion. What You really are is the moment. There is no eyes to see anything, what in front of you is you (without naming labeling).