theleelajoker

First Quote: My hypothesis is that you have a incomplete understanding of communication. My arguments are: Look at how the top consultancy companies in the world operate. "Cutting through complexity" is sth you hear a lot. I was lucky to work with e.g. BCG and McKinsey Teams for quite a while and experience it first hand + my own experience in consulting, teaching and advisory service. Look at how the top speakers in the world operate. Alan Watts comes to mind. Incredible background knowledge, incredible clarity, incredible storytelling, incredible structure, incredibly on point with his words. He can talk for hours and still there is almost no superfluous information in his talks. Look at how the best teachers in the world operate. Go back to your school or university times and remenber how good teachers communciate their points The key is in my experience to KNOW ALL THE BACKGROUND INFO but to communicate only the relevant, only the essence, tailored to your audience. It's not to spit out everything, that creates confusion with both, the one communicating and the one listening Clarity and depth is shown by NOT BLABBERING OUT EVERY LITTLE DETAIL AS INTELLECTUAL MASTURBATION. As much as necessary, as little as possible is IMO the best guideline Clarity about your intention is crucial. Most of times most people just start expressing without clarity. Me too, btw! It's a process every time again: 1) Picking up information / getting aware of it 2) processing it 3) integrating it 4) communicating it clearly with words and actions Leo is not a good example. I watched some of his video but was soon turned off. My POV: First, his appearance is full of arrogance, personal bias and harmful believe systems. There are e.g. people in these forum I consider far more developed than him Second, a lot of information in his videos is only provided to paint a specific, superior picture of himself. Third, there is a other information you could leave off without loosing the message There are indeed incredible value nuggets of information, I learned precious things but I neither like his style nor bis personality. I respect him as he is but I don't like listening to him and I don't see him as role model re communication Please continue telling me how I am, what I want and what I should do. That shows immense maturity and definitely strengthens the argumentative power of your position. It also is the exact way for you that leads to growth and development It also shows me that you have read my previous post in which I stated that I was to lazy to read everything, was not interested in understanding it and do not appreciate the diverstiy provided by other people. Great job! Much Love!

F*** yourself. There you go : )

My POV: Everything is communication, bc everything is an exchange of information. A post is communication because it contains information Long posts are never neccesary to get a point across. Why should it? Don't see any reason why that should be so. It just shows you lack the clarity you have yourself to express properly your message + you loose the audience in the process. It happens to me often. I think and/ or write 1000 words and when I am finished I am sometimes lucky and I see that I actually only need 2 sentences..if at all. If you just want to express for yourself, don't post it in a forum, write letter to yourself at home Agree on saying nothing (or minimum of information) is often the best...not easy to do but the more I evolve, the more I see the value of that Why you judge the post as "smart"? "I will try to think of ways I am projecting" --> projecting now? : )

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On LSD, I saw that the world is simply a collection of colourful geometric shapes. On mushrooms, I realized I am just a character playing to be human. After a deep Vipassana meditation, I got the idea that everything is just a story. During deep Vipassana meditation, I saw how everything in "my" life is 100% "my" doing, every interaction happening exactly as it should, simply outer appearances reflecting my inner world. (Incredible transformative but not easy to integrate 😂) In everyday life, I could experience the connections of all things, how information travels from one person to another without these people ever talking to each other. And probably the deepest awakening experiences came during seemingly mundane interactions with "other" humans. A deep intuitive awareness that I talk to this man/woman in this very moment but that I also communicate with sth/sme else. Sometimes I have this even with animals but it's much more subtle. And crazy synchronicities in every day mundane life that clearly are a signal from something beyond this world (even if I don't know what the meaning of the signal is). This feelings of surprise and sense of humor when a particular situation happens and I am like..."Really? That's how you play it? Ok you're a funny one😅"

I tried to read it all but lost the meaning of what was said It's also not my first language For me, the art of communication is to reduce complexity and to find the least amount of information while keeping the meaning / message intact. (Often, I fail doing that) Storytelling of course can deviate bc you may want to create tension, curiosity, excitement, emotions whatever. But even then --> less information, more clarity is better.

Try to put it into a maximum of 2-3 simple sentences?

For me, as of today, it's like that: Manipulation -> making an effort to control situations and other people's behaviour to achieve a certain outcome while hiding/ masking my true intentions--> might work in the short run to a degree Difference influence vs. manipulation: I influnce people by me must being me. No intention of changing them, just expressing myself If I think sth will be good for sme else, I am as open as I can be about it, not masking my intentions. Trust is important: Does the other believe that I truly have his best intentions in mind? I might be wrong with my recommendation, but my intention is pure. Medium to long term you will get a backlash from manipulation People don't like being manipulated, causing reactance. They feel if you go against their own motives You also loose. You can't control reality and as long as you try to, you will never be free You can't create feelings or actions in other people, no matter what. Only thing you can do is bring attention to what already is. Example: I walk down the street with my friend. There is trash on the street and I pick it up Manipulation: I pick it up because I want him to be more eco-conscious etc., that's my primary intention. And indeed, maybe he picks up trash one time, maybe even so that I see it. But as soon as he is unobserved he stop giving a fuck and leaves the trash where it is Influence: I am silently picking it up simply because I feel like doing it. He is observing that, feels my true intention and does not feel pressured to do the same. But if there is a inner desire to also pick up trash in the future my actions bring attention to his desire Grey Area where I don't really know how to see it: I pick it up and say: "I pick it up because I feel like it, because I feel it's the right thing to do for me. But at the same time I hope that my example will cause others to do the same."

@HojoI can see what you are talking about. I can recognize the mechanism and the way I see it now, it is EXACTLY the way you described. Yesterday I would not have understood it, now it's impossible not to see it @Someone here Interested in proving Hojo wrong? Anyone knows the "Samadhi Series" from Daniel Schmidt? Watch the first ~ 20 min, there he adresses the mechanism. Quoting him: If you are identified with an illusory self, then you are asleep. Once you are aware of the prison, if you fight to get out of the illusion, then you are treating the illusion as if it is real and you still remain asleep, except now the dream becomes a nightmare. You will be chasing and running from shadows forever. Samadhi is awakening from the dream of the separate self or the egoic construct. Samadhi is awakening from identification with the prison that I call me. You can never actually be free, because wherever you go your prison is there. Awakening is not about get rid of the mind or the matrix, on the contrary; when you are not identified with it, then you can experience the play of life more fully, enjoying the show as it is, without craving or fear. In the ancient teachings this was called the divine game of Leila: the game of playing in duality.

Have a good lunch you all : )

What happened to not responding?

Thanks for clarification. In a strange way, this makes complete sense : )

Sry, I can't follow. Lost the context. Curios to understand your points, though. I am not paying attention when I am doing what? What is not making love? Women would do what with themselves? Thanks !

Ups I kind of feel caught with the idea "ego want so benefit and thus let's go of control" @VeganAwakeThe rest of your post kinda makes sense for me intellectually, but also not really. Guess it's because there wasn't the experience of ego dissolution. Can't really imagine the experiences of no self. How does that look in practice? Are there no more thoughts? Very few of them and you are very aware of them? Are there no more preferences? Or you have preferences but are OK if things turn out to be different? If someone ask you e.g if you want to move to city x or city y - you just say "let's see what happens"? Or is there still the idea if "I want to moce to city X". And is this then a false egoic thought? Kind of trying to grasp how life looks after the end of the self-illusion...

Great example. Haven't seen yet how much positive reinforcement can also create Ego, not only "bad traumatic" events