I am leaving Actualized Org

[Santiago Ram]

This is not a religious post.

I just really, really hope at least some of you guys find the way.

After two days in isolation it became obvious that Leo Gura was either a demon or demon possesed.

Consider this seriously. Either you imitate a child of God (put your religion here, not necessarily Christianity) or you imitate the Devil.

Its not that what he teaches is 'false', its just that he operates exactly like the dark one (Ego, Devil, etc): 

Evidence

• For him all is effort, denies Grace
• Solipsism, the Absurd idea I used to believe that no other minds exist except your own
• No deities exist except in your own Mind, thus no need for Faith
• Constantly bashes Holy Books
• He says Enlightenment is impossible through Christianity, despite having verified myself it is possible

So, despite Leo saying many true things, I will end this post with a warning from René Girard:

Quote

 

Just like Jesus, Satan says to us: “Imitate me,” and he himself is an imitator. His supreme model is God the Father—the same model Jesus has.

Imitation is a characteristic of both Jesus and Satan. We always imitate someone when we desire, whether it is Jesus or Satan. 

Since Jesus recommends imitation, mimetic desire is good. It is even very good—the best thing in the world—since it is the only path to the true God. But it is also the same as human freedom, and it is also the path to Satan. What, then, is the difference between the mimetic desire of Jesus and the mimetic desire of Satan? The difference is that Satan imitates God with a spirit of rivalry. Jesus imitates God with the spirit of childlike and innocent obedience—and this is what he advises us to do as well. Since there is no acquisitive desire in God, the docile imitation of God cannot generate rivalry.

 

 

Edited Monday at 06:25 AM by Santiago Ram

[RendHeaven]

take care bro

[samijiben]

I understand why you say Leo could be a demon or demon possessed, I really do.

And maybe the "Leo" avatar is prone to self-deception & corruption just as much as you are.

But let's not kid ourselves about the honesty & integrity of Leo's work. This channel / forum is a gem. And I'm grateful to Leo for giving us a platform to converge, a set of teachings to grow our lives in so many different ways, and playing such a pivotal role in my own development. Sure lots of people can relate. 

That being said, I hope you find that GRACE, bro. 

Buena suerte

[OBEler]

You seem religious.

You claim that you archived enlightenment through Christianity. Enlightenment is a concept with degrees. What exactly do you think you are enlightened?

Good luck on your journey.

[emil1234]

this does seem like a religious post tho

[Twentyfirst]

It's possible to get enlightened through religion but so rare. Most people have to go outside it first and then maybe they can return to it after awakening but it won't be the same holding onto the religion. There is organized religion and there is religion and a distinction should be made

[AION]

SD states that people have aversion to certain stages lack integration of these stages. Leo definitely has some gaping holes in his development and there is a big entourage of stooges around him who unconditionally defend him but you should allow them to let them be. Everybody has their own path of development. 

[Sincerity]

"This is not a religious post"

Writes a religious post

[Leo Gura]

@Santiago Ram You are dealing with a mental condition.

Maybe you are not in a good position to judge my work.

Whatever this thing is you call enlightenment, it's not what I'm pointing to. As I've said, this is very, very advanced work. None of your religious talk is going to pass muster. If you insist on clinging to Chrisitianity then my work is not for you. As I told you from the beginning, this work is about deconstructing every human construct. And I mean that.

Over and over again I keep seeing guys thinking you're too cool for school -- like you got this all figured out. But it's obvious you don't.

Edited Monday at 09:19 AM by Leo Gura

[Princess Arabia]

No you're not. Just another attempt at getting Leo's attention. Go seek mental help. If anyone hasn't noticed how obsessed you are with Leo, they're blind. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Sincerity said:

"This is not a religious post"

Writes a religious post

Lol. 

[MutedMiles]

5 hours ago, Santiago Ram said:

This is not a religious post.

I just really, really hope at least some of you guys find the way.

After two days in isolation it became obvious that Leo Gura was either a demon or demon possesed.

Consider this seriously. Either you imitate a child of God (put your religion here, not necessarily Christianity) or you imitate the Devil.

Its not that what he teaches is 'false', its just that he operates exactly like the dark one (Ego, Devil, etc): 

Evidence

• For him all is effort, denies Grace
• Solipsism, the Absurd idea I used to believe that no other minds exist except your own
• No deities exist except in your own Mind, thus no need for Faith
• Constantly bashes Holy Books
• He says Enlightenment is impossible through Christianity, despite having verified myself it is possible

So, despite Leo saying many true things, I will end this post with a warning from René Girard:

 

@Santiago Ram I wish you all the best and I have following advises for you, purely based on my own experience of life:

1. Make sure that you are not trapped by your faith and religion, specially when you are born in a religion it serves a purpose in ego boosting since it's your religion so it's part of your ego, and enhancing it or fighting on behalf of it is simply ego boosting. To be truly religious you have to get rid of that.

2. Understand that religions may have been created by those who had direct experience of divine but they have been shaped by those who didn't have that experience so, it's basically divorced from it true source to the level of becoming meaningless.

3. Last but not the least, let your own experience guide you don't seek any guru, savior or Messiah. Understand that these are concepts that you acquired during your life and they will leave you with it. 

 

Edited Monday at 12:15 PM by MutedMiles

[_Archangel_]

8 hours ago, Santiago Ram said:

Evidence

• For him all is effort, denies Grace
• Solipsism, the Absurd idea I used to believe that no other minds exist except your own
• No deities exist except in your own Mind, thus no need for Faith
• Constantly bashes Holy Books
• He says Enlightenment is impossible through Christianity, despite having verified myself it is possible

@Santiago Ram
- just wrong, he has never been this black and white. He has often stressed the importance of balance.
- it's more complex than this, but you are probably not willing to get it. An if You truly were Awakened You'd know that there is only one experience process and inevitably every Diety you encounter is part of the same process. No object can stand outside of it, otherwhise it would be unknown to You.
- not true, he has remarked many times how religious thext contain valuable information. The problem with them is that they are sometimes difficult to decode as they are aften written through metaphors or covered in esoteric language. Add the cultural differences and the damage is done.
- Enlightenment is a multifaceted word. What you mean by it is probably not what Leo means. 

So your "evidence" is basically a castle in the air. Bye.

[Daniel Balan]

Thats why I threw this bs religion in the toilet. Because all of its practitioners are calling you a demon for not agreeing with their religious crap. You don't like Leo? Good! I disagree sometimes with him too, but you Christians have gone off the rails for calling a demon anyone who isn't following your bullshit religion! That's what they say in that garbage book! That anyone who questions Christianity is the servant of satan. Fuck your book! Fuck your religion!

Edited Monday at 03:06 PM by Daniel Balan

[Davino]

This is what ends up happening when "broken" people enter into spirituality. 

Make that connection in your mind, this is a powerful example happening live, right now. Everythings ends up being distorted, corrupted and wrapped in ideology/religion.

There's a holarchy in reality and you cannot make the leap. Having a stable fulfilling prosperous human life is the indispensable backbone for serious spiritual work.

This is what I apply for myself, I've already designed a bulletproof 20 year plan just to align all the stars tha will allow me to do this work with the quality it deserves. If you really loved the work this is what you'd do. You would heal yourself, love yourself, live life to the fullest, make millions of dollars and settle down isolated to meditate, do yoga and trip in a cave till your last breath.

Edited Monday at 05:17 PM by Davino

[RendHeaven]

@Davino Yes!

I am doubling down on life right now, so that when I burn it all away, there will be something genuine to sacrifice.

[PurpleTree]

tomorrow you’ll be back 🦭

[Deziree]

This does seem like a religious post. But anyway, goodluck on your way. Hope you find what you're looking for.

[Jodistrict]

This forum attracts people who are stuck in their heads (including me).  If you are a Christian then you love and forgive.  The theology is fairly useless.  “Enlightenment” also turns into another concept.  Blah Blah Blah.

[Vercingetorix]

Good luck on your way, Brother!