Is the US now at war with Iran? (US vs. Iran Discussion)

[Starlight321]

There's been no evidence that Iran was actually building a atomic bomb, even from the reports of US intelligence the months before the attack and we all know that Netanyahu has been waiting for an good oportinity to go to war woth Iran for decades and has even made all kind of efforts to drag the US into it. I think he just lied like before because the opportunity with Trump in office is the perfect blanco cheque for all kind of evil things for all the shady leaders in the world.

[Harikrishnan]

So who won the chess 🧐

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Harikrishnan said:

So who won the chess 🧐

It was a split.  On the second game though i was playing half ass and lost my queen.  😀 he's good though.  He's for real.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well..there's only so many times you can remain passive and then get out of it.  It's a good thing we had Roosevelt and Churchill in WW2.  There's no guarantees that the passive approach will work again.

But this has not stopped Iran from funding Arabs.

As far as nukes, hard to know if this actually stopped them. A nuke deal seems the wiser course.

Edited June 22 by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 A nuke deal seems the wiser course.

The only nuke deal is that Iran can't have nukes.  There's a trust issue here.  We aren't going to burn them but they sure hold grudges on us.  Equal power is a scary ordeal.   

[Jodistrict]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

The only nuke deal is that Iran can't have nukes.  There's a trust issue here.  We aren't going to burn them but they sure hold grudges on us.  Equal power is a scary ordeal.   

Of course the bully wants superior power.  That's why he is a bully in the first place.  If there was equality he would have to behave himself.  That's why Bismark believed balance of power was the key to peace.  

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Jodistrict said:

Of course the bully wants superior power.  That's why he is a bully in the first place.  If there was equality he would have to behave himself.  That's why Bismark believed balance of power was the key to peace.  

But there's the issue of trust.  If everyone trusted each other all nukes should be destroyed.   That is what should happen in an advanced society. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

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[Socrates]

So the terrorist state of Israhell with 90+ nukes that has invaded 5 neighboring countries and has done more terror than Hitler, is supposed to scold or decide who has nukes? Fuck outa here. The double standard is comical. The thing with Israhell is that is so deeply corrupt since it is founded on lies, you gotta repeat and repeat lies to even believe your fake country exists, so when they strike hospitals it is Tuesday, when Iran strikes hospitals they are "nazis". That level of self-deception can't be beaten with war, only with internal regime change, so if the US wanted actual peace in the region, they should remove the modern Hitler named Netanyahu and not Khamenei. Also, god forbid anything happens to Khamenei and Russia gets involved.

[Raze]

The strike was extremely limited. It doesn’t seem to have even killed anyone.

NYtimes reports a US official told them the site was damaged but not destroyed, and Iran claimed it evacuated all the uranium and tools.

I think Iran will try and retaliate in some small way so as not to trigger a greater US reaction, and the US will avoid reacting to avoid a longer war.

Maybe israel will cease strikes and the US will return to negotiating. But nothing has changed on that front aside from their project being set back, we don’t even know by how much. There demands very well will remain the same. 

The problem is, now israel is going to shift to demanding further strikes to ensure the facilities or destroyed and striking wherever they suspect the uranium was taken too, and if Iran decides to just rebuild and actually go for a weapon this time israel will demand even greater US intervention and we are at square one.

Edited June 22 by Raze

[Husseinisdoingfine]

The only thing having a nuclear weapon does is prevent the United States from invading that country. That is all, and that is why Iran wants a nuclear weapon. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

According to Wikipedia, 8,000+ Israeli citizens have been made homeless and 3,800+ Israeli citizens have been displaced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Israel_war *

*Look at the right information table where it reads, casualties and losses.

 

[Inliytened1]

20 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

The only thing having a nuclear weapon does is prevent the United States from invading that country. That is all, and that is why Iran wants a nuclear weapon. 

If the US wanted to conquer they would have.  That's kind of silly since they don't have it yet.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If the US wanted to conquer they would have. 

But what justification did America have to invade Iraq? What about Syria and Libya? These countries want nuclear weapons because they saw what happened to those countries. 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

But what justification did America have to invade Iraq? What about Syria and Libya? These countries want nuclear weapons because they saw what happened to those countries. 

Do you think that's the only reason they want nukes?  Let me ask you this - do you think that if Iran had the power right now to completely remove Israel and take over that country..that they would? I want your honest opinion.

[Inliytened1]

6 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Death to the American empire and the U.S. military proxy state (Israel).

Tone it down a bit.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

The only nuke deal is that Iran can't have nukes. 

But pissing them off and not eliminating their capacity is not wise.

It's like slapping a hornet.

Deep underground they can still build their nukes.

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Deep underground they can still build their nukes.

Nice.

[Daniel Balan]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Haha yeah exactly.  So get in the fight. 

I'd rather not debate anyone. Debates are pointless, person 1 defends his biases person 2 defends their biases. Never are you able to convince someone of something they have a bias against. So I prefer to work on myself rather than to call names to some unknown on a forum. I prefer to admit that I don't know and to not take any side, after all why does the opinion of a man in the middle of nowhere change the politics and war dynamics of 8 billion people? I prefer to enjoy time with myself. I've been in few debates on this forum myself and it just ruined my day. I felt like shit, and all my peace of mind vanished debating a person I will probably never meet ever IRL. 

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

As I told the pro-Palestine anti-Biden leftists, Trump will be way worse for their cause than Biden.

And so it is.

No authoritarian strongman is peaceful. That is one the biggest pieces of bullshit peddled by the right.

This is why asking Ukraine for make a deal is bullshit. Russia will keep going in until the cost of it outweighs the benefit, which is only done by arming Ukraine so it’s not worth it for Russia to go in.