Why God Dreams Up Such Crappy Lives?

[ChrisZoZo]

Bashar says that we are souls that are eternal. Then as souls we can choose to incarnate into whatever we want. For some reason we’re really really really excited to incardinate in this absolute monstrosity of a shit hole don’t ask me why. (It’s not actually that bad I just wanted to make it sound bad for comedic value.)

[kbone]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's different, Because a glass of water is a fraction of the ocean, whereas a form in infinity is the totality of infinity. That is, to answer Rasard, you are not so small; you are total, but you always, absolutely always, take on a form, since the absence of form is "never"; it never happens. So, why this form specifically? Well, why not? Because yes.

Existential questions about how and why are basically misconceived.... built on assumptions.

Being more consciously present in/as the higher order of mind you are pointing to would likely give rise to fewer how/why questions and/or action that is of a corresponding higher order.

'Answers' to such questions might appeal or sound plausible to the lower mind in varying degrees, but who knows. Existence unfolds in interesting and unexpected ways, to be sure.

 

[kbone]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think it's obvious and inevitable. What other possibility could be possible? At the local level, there is creation and intention, but from an unlimited perspective, creation is just another arising that happens because it can.

1- Perfection or infinite intelligence is given by coherence. Any form is infinitely coherent; it has infinite ramifications absolutely synchronized with the whole. A minimal asynchrony results in infinite asynchrony, which is equivalent to that form not appearing; it is unmanifested potential.

2- The only difference between what appears and what does not is possibility, and possibility within an unlimited framework translates into relative synchrony. There is no form without its reflection; forms are relative, that is, in relation to another. Without relation, there is absence of form. The absence of form is outside of time; it does not occur. But it is just as real as form, since what is real is not form but its essence. Here is the point.

1- Is that more or less saying that perfection arises as infinite intelligence; whereas, relative synchrony (on a dualistic continuum) is what is reflected/perceived on the cave wall of lower mind?

2- Actuality is based on what appears and what does not. It's the added layer(s) of lower mind (conditioning, assumptions, beliefs, etc) that distort the view, giving rise to falsities that are not actually there... and perhaps some subsequent misconceived how/why questions. 

The ensuing posts after my initial reply about the jar/ocean seemed to suggest all sorts of assumptions about why it was shared. This mind's assumption, based on the type of question he asked and his signature block, was that it might spur an introspective moment or discussion. Oops.

[Keryo Koffa]

1 hour ago, ChrisZoZo said:

Bashar says that we are souls that are eternal. Then as souls we can choose to incarnate into whatever we want. For some reason we’re really really really excited to incardinate in this absolute monstrosity of a shit hole don’t ask me why. (It’s not actually that bad I just wanted to make it sound bad for comedic value.)

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, kbone said:

Existential questions about how and why are basically misconceived.... built on assumptions.

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

How and why are extremely obvious. Why: because there are no limits. How? The limitless adopt infinite forms reflecting in itself infinitely. Everything is infinite, the fact of the absence of limitations is why you are, the being is. Being and absence of limits are one. Everything is unlimited, the reality manifested is the infinity flowing in itself. Right now that's what is happening. This is a possibility happening, and it's depth is unfathomable, you can perceive it right now. This instant is alive, is unlimited, in it it's everything, the totality of the reality, the absolute.  key is breaking all the barriers in you. The absolute is just unlimited, but that's everything. 

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, kbone said:

Is that more or less saying that perfection arises as infinite intelligence; whereas, relative synchrony (on a dualistic continuum) is what is reflected/perceived on the cave wall of lower mind?

 synchrony and perfection are the same. For something to appear, there must be change. For there to be change, there must be movement relative to another, two states reflecting each other. This means there are infinite states reflecting each other. So, what is a reflection? It's something that is in relation to other, that is relative to another. For something to appear and exist stably, it must be synchronized to the infinite power with the infinite totality of reality. This is equivalent to perfection. Perfection means nothing; what exists does so because it fits exactly with the totality of reality.  This is just a logical deduction given the unlimited. The reality is logical, coherence is equal to logic. 

Edited Friday at 10:52 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, kbone said:

Actuality is based on what appears and what does not. It's the added layer(s) of lower mind (conditioning, assumptions, beliefs, etc) that distort the view, giving rise to falsities that are not actually there... and perhaps some subsequent misconceived how/why questions

Any idea, understanding, appreciation, sensation, is something that appears in reality. It only means something on a relative level; on an absolute level, everything is exactly the same. It is the absolute flowing in a structure, in a certain form that is the same as any other form. It is transparent, a hologram. What it is is unlimited. It is the same to be an entity made of pure interdimensional intelligence or a rat. What matters is what is behind the form, and it is the same in both.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, ChrisZoZo said:

Bashar says that we are souls that are eternal. Then as souls we can choose to incarnate into whatever we want. For some reason we’re really really really excited to incardinate in this absolute monstrosity of a shit hole don’t ask me why. (It’s not actually that bad I just wanted to make it sound bad for comedic value.)

Perhaps the vision we have, centered on what is good or bad according to genetically coded patterns, does not even intuit the magnitude and depth of each energetic movement of human reality; perhaps reality is operating in many dimensions at the same time, and from the angle of the current perspective we cannot even intuit the global panorama.

[Santiago Ram]

Mental institutions are degenerate in general.

Of course there are degrees.

The Best Place to put your troubled son Is in an addiction Center, not a psychiatric ward. The whole psychiatric system Is full of Shit, always has been.

Edited Saturday at 03:44 AM by Santiago Ram

[Razard86]

14 hours ago, SQAAD said:

Everyone keeps telling how God does't care, yet they provide no explanation.

Why God would create something and just abandon it? Doesn't make sense.

https://youtu.be/WI2m1WW33H0?si=Wol2aON2rNHMbr2K

Your question is absolutely valid, but its the complaint of a formed existence. I've contemplated answers to this question myself and the only understanding I get is to understand strength. You see God is pure power, and power has no other. The only way for power to know what it is, it needs to become strength and weakness. The problem is....God is too powerful....and that's why we suffer as form. 

The formless has no problem with anything, it only knows itself through you. God is the most terrifying thing ever, because God has the courage to imagine the hardest lives....and BE IT.

People don't understand how terrifyingly brave God is.

Edited Saturday at 04:03 AM by Razard86

[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Your question is absolutely valid, but its the complaint of a formed existence. I've contemplated answers to this question myself and the only understanding I get is to understand strength. You see God is pure power, and power has no other. The only way for power to know what it is, it needs to become strength and weakness. The problem is....God is too powerful....and that's why we suffer as form. 

The formless has no problem with anything, it only knows itself through you. God is the most terrifying thing ever, because God has the courage to imagine the hardest lives....and BE IT.

People don't understand how terrifyingly brave God is.

Those statements, when I read them in terms of energy, it made a lot of sense and put a new meaning on energy for me. It really did. Especially when you said God is pure power. Wow! That hit a spot. You know, I'm stubborn and will call out something i don't see to be the case even though they are only my personal pov's, but these statements really hit a nerve and made me see things in a way I've never did before. Something to contemplate on and put into new perspectives. Even the suffering part, I never really saw it that way, but from now on, I'll try to see where that fits in the picture for myself - the way you put it and why we suffer.

Edited Saturday at 04:15 AM by Princess Arabia

[gettoefl]

The richer Bezos is the worse the Gazans going to get it. I can only have a good life to the extent yours is bad. This is called duality. The poles go equally deep. And all the while God is cool fine with good and okay with the price to be paid known as bad. The suffering will snap me out of my slumbers and make me take this shit seriously. I needed this hell all along.

[Oppositionless]

Because God with low consciousness is stupid! Yes it's all God and God is infinite intelligence but where do you think infinite intelligence comes from? Do you think it's just a given? NO! Intelligence has to be evolved through a brutal process! You have to go through hell to get to heaven!

God doesn't create evolution by natural selection because he's an asshole. He creates it this way because he has no choice! There is simply no such thing as a free lunch in the universe. Furthermore, God is the ultimate masochist. All these crappy lives that you say are created by God, ARE GOD.

 

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I take some small amount of solace in reading near death experience accounts. I sincerely hope that people who experience nothing but pure hell in this world can have some peace on the other side, but I dunno, seems like a consolation prize when you aren't looking at the big picture.

 

edit edit:

For most people you can improve, but there will always be that 1% that simply can't. They do all the personal development work in the books and get nothing for it, and that's a tragedy. But in the big picture, I think we're all being pulled to something beautiful. And you don't even have to look that far, just look at how much living conditions have improved in only the past 100 years. This process is exponential , takes billions of years to get going, but once it does it happens really fucking fast.

Edited Saturday at 09:15 PM by Oppositionless

[Inliytened1]

On 6/20/2025 at 7:19 AM, Breakingthewall said:

It's not that god creates it. In the infinitely interconnected, synchronistic infinity, that possibility fits exactly into a given moment; therefore, it is ,the same as anything else that exists. They call it yin and yang, perfect symmetry, or, if you prefer, infinity infinitely reflected back upon itself.

There is no one in charge, because there are no limits. Absolute intelligence is the total coordination of manifested infinity. It is inevitable, a natural phenomenon that arises from the fact of limitlessness.

It's more intelligent than that.  Reality is sentient.

 

[Vibes]

19 hours ago, Razard86 said:

how terrifyingly brave God is.

That's so beautiful. When I forget my scared little self...

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's more intelligent than that.  Reality is sentient.

 

What you mean with "sentient"?

[Razard86]

8 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

What you mean with "sentient"?

Got this definition from Google.

Sentience, in its simplest form, is the capacity to experience feelings and sensations, encompassing both positive and negative emotions. It's the ability to be conscious of and react to stimuli, essentially having subjective experiences. This includes the capacity to feel pleasure, pain, and other emotions.

Your sentience as a human= GOD. A human is only sentient because they are God.

[Twentyfirst]

If the new earth comes then there will be no more suffering just pain

[Javfly33]

3 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Got this definition from Google.

Sentience, in its simplest form, is the capacity to experience feelings and sensations, encompassing both positive and negative emotions. It's the ability to be conscious of and react to stimuli, essentially having subjective experiences. This includes the capacity to feel pleasure, pain, and other emotions.

Your sentience as a human= GOD. A human is only sentient because they are God.

@Razard86 @Inliytened1

I do the difference between human mind and God mind. God Mind is everything (objects, planets, rocks, atoms), human mind is a specific sub product of God-Mind

 

[Razard86]

21 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Razard86 @Inliytened1

I do the difference between human mind and God mind. God Mind is everything (objects, planets, rocks, atoms), human mind is a specific sub product of God-Mind

 

There is no difference.... a human can only be sentient because of God....I've died before...my body lost it's sentience, I kept mine.