Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Miguel1]

27 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Nokia was king.

Finland mentioned. Torille!!!! 

(A saying in Finnish. Means that ”Yayyy, lets go celebrate in the city centrum”).

Edited 15 hours ago by Miguel1

[Harikrishnan]

Instagram got leoworthy… and loving it 😍

[emptiness dancing]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You talkin to me?

I don't regard anyone as my servant.

Just joking Leo! 😂, i was just pointing out that your insta videos are not eye level. But you do you. Maybe it'll help with engagement. Who knows.

[lostingenosmaze]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You talkin to me?

I don't regard anyone as my servant.

Good work detaching yourself from humanity and all it's bullshit, Leo. Soon enough you won't be able to tell if any of us is joshing with you or not 🤡

[Raze]

The biggest problem with modern feminism few mention is the inconsistency.

Even incorrect or ineffective ideas can be made to work if they are consistent.

So often I listen to feminists and they are just using feminist theory for rationalizing their own feelings and preferences without considering if it is consistent with their other demands.

I don’t think seeking complete equity between men and women is a good idea, but I think it could more or less be functional if done consistently.

But the same feminists demanding this want to maintain the forms of disparity they feel benefit them but it conflicts with their other demands and that’s not sustainable.

Edited 13 hours ago by Raze

[Leo Gura]

@Raze Example of conflicting demands?

[Raze]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Raze Example of conflicting demands?

- pushing for affirmative action and specific funding to support women in areas they are less represented in, but not doing as much and in some cases being hostile to efforts to do the same for men.

Currently the gender gap in college grads in the US is as large as it was when they began major projects to increase women graduating, but women in fact still have more scholarship money and I see feminists actually angry or mocking efforts to increase male graduates. For example a recent hit piece on the influencer Scott Galloway whose been pushing a similar message.

- demanding women increase their individual economic power and work force participation which naturally kicks many men down the economic rung due to competition, but still demanding men earn as much or more than them and be high status to be worthwhile mates, see hosts of articles like this 

 

- demonizing men for taking the lead in pursuing women but still demand men pursue and demonize them for not doing so. There are many similar examples where they push cultural messaging supporting chivalrous traditions that benefit women and shame men who don’t do them, but also attack any such institution that had gendered expectations of women 

Similar incoherent demands such as attacking men for not being emotionally vulnerable but then immediately after they begin to be coining terms like mankeeping or emotional labor to demonize men when they express emotions and seek emotional support. 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Raze

[Basman]

I think video games can be good at putting you into the mind of different perspectives, being essentially simulations. By virtue of how the game's mechanics forces you to behave, what to avoid and how to think you can gain an appreciate for different an alien perspectives. It's different from trying to be artsy.

Prime example are tactical FPS with slow movement and realistic guns. Makes you realize how psychologically stressful combat is. Like when you have to cross a field and have no idea if an enemy is watching. If you get caught in the open your dead. And you die die instantly and traumatically. There's no HP bar draining. You'll be alive one moment and the next you are dead. You could be in the thick of it and have no idea where the enemy is and unsure of what to do. Huddled behind a tree stump. Very intense. It makes you appreciate how much luck there is in combat too, whether or not an enemy just happens to see you. Whether or not random explosions and artillery hit you.

Your forced to adopt to specific tactics in how you move and approach firefights, but because visibility is low and firefights tend to last just seconds you kind of have to project your mind unto the enemy and predict their movement as much as possible. Your not only moving from a to be looking out for the enemy but deducing their general whereabouts based on clues in your environment (gunshots, orientation of objectives relative to friendly/enemy lines, etc.). This is what I mean by how gaming can put you into a particular perspective. You have to think as a soldier in a microcosm of all the stress that involves. 

Another example is Rainworld. It makes you appreciate survival as an animal and how it's basically non-stop for animals. Everyday you have to go out and forage and avoid predators. There are no breaks. Your constantly in survival mode. Constanst pressure to not die. Your never fully safe. Every win is fleeting. 

Also makes me think of the first Bioshock. You where originally meant to play as a little girl. That would have been crazy if done well. I think there's a lot of room for devs to convey unique perspectives. You could make a game that convey the perspective of being a woman in a war torn country, ala Berlin during the red invasion. You'de have hide from rapists and bombs and survive somehow. You'de have to adopt a fundamental sense of distrust in order to survive. 

Not all perspectives and concepts would lend well to gaming though I think.

Edited 10 hours ago by Basman

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, you have posted the same video twice about explaining God on threads.

[Jannes]

For the feminist list I would add that its unrealistic to expect men to be as capable as women in feminine aspects. Of course men can be sozialized in more feminine aspects as well and that will improve their ability, but on the whole men will never catch up to a womens natural ability for empathy, social intuition, connection to emotion etc.

[Rafael Thundercat]

2 minutes ago, Jannes said:

For the feminist list I would add that its unrealistic to expect men to be as capable as women in feminine aspects. Of course men can be sozialized in more feminine aspects as well and that will improve their ability, but on the whole men will never catch up to a womens natural ability for empathy, social intuition, connection to emotion etc.

I dont  know why? Both are human and capable of empathy, social intuition, connection, emotion. 

[Jannes]

Just now, Rafael Thundercat said:

I dont  know why? Both are human and capable of empathy, social intuition, connection, emotion. 

Women have more estrogen in their body so they feel emotions stronger and are more sensitive to emotional signals. I have a trans women as a friend and when she took estrogen she said that she experienced how all these feminine aspects came naturally to her. 

Also that women have a vagina and have a physically weaker body then men brings them into a different survival situation where its more important for them to have a social safety net and so there is way more pressure on them to develop social skills.

[Rafael Thundercat]

11 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Also that women have a vagina and have a physically weaker body then men brings them into a different survival situation

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/early-women-were-hunters-not-just-gatherers-study-suggests-180982459/

 

[Jannes]

4 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/early-women-were-hunters-not-just-gatherers-study-suggests-180982459/

 

What is that supposed to proof?

I am speaking about averages. I also know girls with less social skills then men or women who sleep around and never develop feelings for guys, or women with a lot of leadership qualities and so on.. 

[Human Mint]

16 hours ago, LifeEnjoyer said:

How would we study the cults?

Just line it up with the lessons from Actualized.org’s videos on cults?

You'll naturally draw the connections from Actualized.org's episodes.

I was watching Stolen Youth and I wonder how that dynamic is present at a macro level in the whole society. Mind blowing stuff.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Where I Agree & Disagree with Feminism

I agree with just about all. I think the first waves of feminism were great at altering structure to expand individual rights - later waves are overreaching into these structures somewhat. I dislike where feminism reaches for equality of outcome, over equality of opportunity.

"That women are victims. Women need to be more responsible for sexual abuse. Women are not innocent victims in all this. Women need to be responsible for being attracted to abusive and corrupt men."

I think this has some truth in it, but it's maybe poorly phrased. I think the point does have traction in that people can and should develop better judgment in partners. People can ignore red flags, rationalize bad behaviour, or repeat unhealthy patterns. There is value in teaching both men and women how to recognise manipulation, coercion, and early warning signs of abuse.... Which is about self protection and growth.

The murky part is that this can lead to “they chose it, so they share responsibility for the abuse.” This is the part I think reaches a bit far and might require rephrasing. It’s like saying someone who invests in a fraudulent scheme is partly responsible for the duplicitous scheme. They may have made a bad decision, but the wrongdoing still sits with the arsehole fraudster.

The only solution is raising ones awareness - which rolls back to boundaries, self growth and protection. I partly agree, partly don't. Probably just a phrasing issue.

I'll add to your list! 

 - Bodily autonomy isn’t exclusively a women’s issue. Men can lose it too  - ie conscription.

Edited 7 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[integral]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I need to experiment to see how to structure my content for the future.

What format would work best with your content?

Im sure theres a format that will work better here, but that takes some production work.

1. Interview format.
2. Kurzgesagt style animated
3. Documentary format (Johnny Harris)
4. Story telling format (Markiplier)
5. Reaction: Leo reacting to Jordan Peterson
6. Live streaming (Dr. K) community style
7. Contrarian: Critiquing or debating trending topics

 

Edited 5 hours ago by integral

[Jacob Morres]

@Raze

Flaws in (mainstream) feminism

The anti woke crowd had a few great points. 

That being said,  i did take a course in college where the prof did address many mens issues as well (things like expectations in sex,  gender roles and a few more things)  

Edited 3 hours ago by Jacob Morres

[Oppositionless]

Right now I'm reading the book We Have Never Been Woke, it's interesting .

My thinking is that woke is a way for the elites to appease stage green and alienate stages blue / orange. When the working class of all stages want material change, identity politics are emphasized to pit them against each other . We don't need conservatives to accept pronouns, that's fucking pointless, just improve everyone's material conditions and the "woke" stuff will happen on its own, or not, to me it's not very important beyond , as Leo said, 1st and 2nd wave feminism.

Here's an interview with the author .

 

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura , loving your Instagram videos, 3 minute chunks is generous for today's attention span. About your post of the degradation of social media, do you think that you're Instagram post will funnel people into your deeper work or do you think it just becomes another piece of content that people scroll through and don't see the value of? Because it is quite a paradox how you're using the zombie machine to try to awaken people from it because Instagram is engineered to keep people from using their minds. I'm curious as to how you're navigating this.

Do you think that no matter how good the content is it inevitably gets diluted by Instagram or do you think there is value in it no matter what? Because you're not dumbing your vocabulary down especially on Instagram most people don't have a philosophical and existential framework for understanding reality that a lot of these terms fall on deaf ears or even worse ideological and dogmatic ears. People hear you use the word god, intelligence, love and consciousness and they don't even have a reference as to what you're talking about and can easily misinterpret every word you say

Edited 1 hour ago by ExploringReality