Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Terell Kirby said:

This was one of the more gut wrenching posts. It hurts because it’s true.

We are more susceptible to corruption working for a boss-this isn't taught in school

Imagine if this was your boss:

 

[MuadDib]

1 hour ago, Terell Kirby said:

This was one of the more gut wrenching posts. It hurts because it’s true.

We are more susceptible to corruption working for a boss-this isn't taught in school

Yes, and the notion of 'working for yourself' is a fallacy in the end. 

Everyone has a boss.

[Terell Kirby]

7 minutes ago, MuadDib said:

Yes, and the notion of 'working for yourself' is a fallacy in the end. 

I'll take that fallacy any day over something like this:

 

[LoneWonderer]

In regards to the post on robert Greene, I read the laws of power, laws of human nature & the art of seduction maybe 6-7 years ago. They where really direct, insightful and hardcore revealing all the tricks in human games. Thanks to Robert Green's books I'm much better able to read the actions of others and see through people's BS. 

However a better title would be "rules and tactics of the games humans play" for his book series and not laws. 

I liked the books but was also really put off by them because it shows you how to act, cheat, manipulate, disguise to get what you want. Truth, being truthful, loving, caring, kindness...none of that $**t, you'll be eaten up by all the wolves.

Edited 10 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[Natasha Tori Maru]

39 minutes ago, LoneWonderer said:

In regards to the post on robert Greene, I read the laws of power, laws of human nature & the art of seduction maybe 6-7 years ago. They where really direct, insightful and hardcore revealing all the tricks in human games. Thanks to Robert Green's books I'm much better able to read the actions of others and see through people's BS. 

However a better title would be "rules and tactics of the games humans play" for his book series and not laws. 

I liked the books but was also really put off by them because it shows you how to act, cheat, manipulate, disguise to get what you want. Truth, being truthful, loving, caring, kindness...none of that $**t, you'll be eaten up by all the wolves.

Yep this is a really common complaint regarding the laws of power, for sure. And I do agree. Robert goes into how they aren't meant to be strategies used, but tactics you will encounter and to be aware of their mechanitions. 

Some of the books have been banned in a few countries due to the Machiavellian nature of the laws! I think he is just brutally honest and many people do not want to hear it....

[Leo Gura]

I'm sure sociopaths buy his books as instruction manuals.

[LoneWonderer]

40 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 I think he is just brutally honest and many people do not want to hear it....

I had to force myself to read it at points for sure. 

[Stick]

55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm sure sociopaths buy his books as instruction manuals.

Not really, sociopaths are sociopaths because they unconsciously harm others. They are too unaware that all they can harm and will ever harm are themselves. If you show them each mechanism they use to be manipulative and gain power over others, they ought to gain some understanding and be more conscious.
Robert's books are a threat to people who pretend that humans are truthful loving creatures not because it creates a sociopath that destroys their perfect world but because it exposes the mechanism that humans have always used to exploit others.

[Daniel Balan]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm sure sociopaths buy his books as instruction manuals.

All of the Tates underlings are huge fans of Robert Greene and his 48 laws of power. A underling guy called Joe Lampton that bragged that he only read in his life Sun Tzu Art of War and Robert Greene 48 laws of power. @Unlimited will for sure confirm this 

[SimpleGuy]

I had classmate who is so sociopathic and narcisisstic it`s crazy. He is like copy of Andrew Tate although he doesn`t even know him! Doing kickboxing, reading only 48 laws of power, treating everyone poorly and always wearing a mask, pretending to be macho. Eww.

[Davino]

Robert Greene's books are good but imo overhyped. When I read the 48 laws of power I was expecting a lifetime master piece, it was a nice reflexive read but not life transforming. Most of Leo's books are far far more profound.

It's a good book and I recommend it, certainly some traps outlined are very important. I'm just trying to temper expectations so you enjoy the book more.

Edited 7 hours ago by Davino

[Vali2003]

I like Robert Greene’s writing style. 

[Cireeric]

5 hours ago, LoneWonderer said:

In regards to the post on robert Greene, I read the laws of power, laws of human nature & the art of seduction maybe 6-7 years ago. They where really direct, insightful and hardcore revealing all the tricks in human games. Thanks to Robert Green's books I'm much better able to read the actions of others and see through people's BS. 

However a better title would be "rules and tactics of the games humans play" for his book series and not laws. 

I liked the books but was also really put off by them because it shows you how to act, cheat, manipulate, disguise to get what you want. Truth, being truthful, loving, caring, kindness...none of that $**t, you'll be eaten up by all the wolves.

I think it is a double-edged sword. Yes it is revealing and yes there are people out there playing these games and it is helpful to be aware of it. But also seeing through this lense will make it more likely to interpret other peoples actions in this way and you may project such intentions into peoples actions where there isnt such intention. Social-interactions mostly have enough uncertainty that you can start to fill the void and if you live in that worldview you will see people that way more often. Also in my experience reading Robert Greene he makes this worldview and this way of being look very sexy and worth imitating. Daniel Schmachtenberger said most people who read Robert Greene also get damaged by it.

[Rafael Thundercat]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm sure sociopaths buy his books as instruction manuals.

His ideias are being applied all over the board as far as I can see. Maybe people dont even newd to read his books since many of his ideias are just human monkey deception playing out naturaly.

[Alexop]

12 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

This was one of the more gut wrenching posts. It hurts because it’s true.

We are more susceptible to corruption working for a boss-this isn't taught in school

Take it with a grain of salt, it does not apply to any type of organization. I worked massage and had a boss, we were a small business with 3 cliniques. We did massage, he managed us. Pretty basic stuff, he is a performant, strategic hippie with integrated Orange. If the company is small and has a good chuck of Green energy, it is pretty ok. It is not like if you create your own business you will be 100% clean and Godlike. You can be a devilish mf by your own very easily if you are not careful. Power corrupts you very fast, what Leo did is very very rare. Most dudes who get into the power position that Leo has, get corrupted as hell.

Edited 3 hours ago by Alexop

[vibv]

11 hours ago, MuadDib said:

Everyone has a boss.

Wrong. What about Mahatma Gandhi, Steve Jobs or Michael from VSauce? Just to name a few...

You can start your own enterprise. Why not?!

[WillCameron]

There's research that if people have more communal values before gaining power, then power amplifies their communal values. The authors stated that it may be because while more power makes you more self-interested, if you're already interested in the community then more self-interested means more interested in what you already value, which is community. Read it in the book, "Agency and Communion in Social Psychology".

[Human Mint]

I liked Greene's Mastery way more than 48 Laws

[hundreth]

It seems like 50% or more of the posts these days are just rehashes of anti scientist or anti science slop. I get what Leo is trying to do but I can't shake the sense that this is not the message for the moment. 

It's 2026. Trump is president. RFK is the head of the HHS. We are in the aftermath of heavy anti-vax and anti expert sentiment. Experts in any domain have never been less trusted. Experts today utilize our flawed but very useful current understandings of science and available studies. This understanding at least has some grounding in reality in our relative material world. The vast majority of people have replaced trust in science and experts with trust in grifting social media influencers and pseudoscience nonsense.

Science is a tool. What is the purpose of continuously disparaging a tool? It would be no different from creating 300 blog posts about how a screwdriver is trash because some of us use the wrong screws, put things together half hazardly and don't know what we're doing. That's not the fault of the tool, that's the fault of the user. But oh wait, a screwdriver can't build your entire house. Of course not, it's just one tool in the bigger picture. Just as science is one facet of truth. No one claims that science can be used to discuss God or other epistemic issues. So why continually harp on it for that? Is that really where the majority of people are stuck now? The greatest peril of our civilization at the moment is that society believes you can replace religion with science? Maybe for a brief moment in major U.S. cities circa 2010. This is vastly outdated.

The present moment demands a different focus. To critique science and surpass it you need to first understand it and know how to use it. Your message will fall on the vulnerable ignorant who will use it as justification to trust the influence of grifters and pseudoscience peddlers. 

If the goal is to be helpful, I can't see how this is the right path.

[Terell Kirby]

3 hours ago, Alexop said:

It is not like if you create your own business you will be 100% clean and Godlike. You can be a devilish mf by your own very easily if you are not careful.

Of course-business certainly corrupts people. It’s just that most bosses across industry are not conscious enough to prioritize anything above profit maximization- that’s why they became a boss in the first place. Working for these kinds of people places limits on spiritual development-I believe that’s the only point Leo is driving from the post.