Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[LoneWonderer]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Are you kidding? Obviously not.

It's just so hard to imagine as my experience has always been the opposite.

Also to put an example there are areas in my life I'm not growing. Before I used to deny but even in my denial I somehow knew I was wrong. I kept denying but there was some faint awareness I was being a fool and I was only fooling myself. These days there are still areas I refuse to grow in but I am fully aware I'm 100% responsible and obviously there is pain there knowing and refusing to grow. This is why I ask, does a Christian deep inside know he's being fooled? All the good parts of religion aside (family, hard work etc) isn't there an unease there?

Edited yesterday at 05:47 AM by LoneWonderer

[Daniel Balan]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That is good.

But even deeper: it exists because that's the best that minds of that development level can do.

Selfish and ignorant minds can't live better, as pigs cannot live cleanly.

Thanks for the response. The reason I have such a strong emotional reaction whenever dictatorship is mentioned is because my family was in the "weak" category when the communists came to power! Beatings, torture, land expropriation, livestock confiscation, secret police terror, many years spent in prison with daily torture, all the other society members assaulting you for being against the regime etc. 

Even after the dictatorship was no more, the dictatorship loving people which where I live are like 80%, still behaved towards me with extreme hostility and hatred just because both myself and my grandparents were staunchly against dictatorship and because we were of Polish/Ukrainian ethnicity. Sadly enough, besides my grandmother, all my other relatives would very much like to be under total dictatorship again, but I'm not surprised since they are corrupt to the bone and they would love to rule over the ones that the dictatorship would expropriate and dominate. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

@Leo Gura

Do you expect to integrate what you call "Alien Cognition" into society as a whole? (Science, Engineering, Philosophy)

No.

But there will be a pathway for understanding minds beyond human for those few who want to understand them.

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Is alien cognition the potentiality of all possible potentials? (infinity itself?)

I don't know what that means.

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How do you see alien cognition as a useful tool for society? Do you see it as impactful as religion, newtonian physics, quantum mechanics?

Higher creativity, higher levels of abstraction, better understanding of alien species, deeper mysticism, deeper spirituality.

Edited yesterday at 05:43 AM by Leo Gura

[Tristan12]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Link it to me when it's ready to read.

 

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, LoneWonderer said:

do they know that this stuff is wrong

From their POV it is not wrong because it is useful, and they confuse useful with true.

It is useful to be an fully committed Christian. It is an empowering way to live. It does make you feel good. It does have positive impact on one's sense of purpose, meaning, happiness, kindness, work ethic, marriage, etc. It does produce mystical experiences. It does make one more loving, inspired, creative, fearless, moral, social, etc.

It just isn't true.

Fantasies are very useful. That's why they are so popular.

Edited yesterday at 05:52 AM by Leo Gura

[LoneWonderer]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

From their POV it is not wrong because it is useful, and they confuse useful with true.

It is useful to be an fully committed Christian. It is an empowering way to live. It does make you feel good. It does have positive impact on one's sense of purpose, meaning, happiness, kindness, work ethic, marriage, etc. It does produce mystical experiences. It does make one more loving, inspired, creative, fearless, etc.

It just isn't true.

I see...

Edited yesterday at 05:55 AM by LoneWonderer

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura I'm not trying to misquote you or something, but when you said "My goal is to create the most advanced and clearest philosophy for mankind which synthesizes science, rationality, and mysticism" is that just one of your goals and the goals of actualized.org? Im wondering if personal development is still a big goal of actualized.org? Things like more practical fields too like creativity, investing, emotions, etc.?

Honestly I try my best to learn about that stuff when you share, but I feel like it'll take me time to invest deeper into that stuff, those other areas of reality until I achieve baseline levels of self and life mastery. 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

Im wondering if personal development is still a big goal of actualized.org? Things like more practical fields too like creativity, investing, emotions, etc.?

Yes, I am still passionate about those practical topics and I will have new videos on that in the coming months.

[Jayson G]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, I am still passionate about those practical topics and I will have new videos on that in the coming months.

ahh okay nice .. Im here for it all though longterm 

[Davino]

Thanks for making explicit 'The Larger Goal Of This Work'. I do understand better why you address positions that many of your viewers are a bit more evolved than. I do suggest you a hybrid approach, maybe in part 3 assume that the viewer is at a higher level and has worked his ass off for years on the last two episodes. What are the advanced traps that only a developed mind would encounter with rationalism 10 years on the line? 

 

Or maybe by the end of your episodes, where usually only the most serious individuals stay, start elevating the cognitive development assumption of the one listening. Now I see clearly why you tackle lower archetypes, but see the shadow it creates: you have a niche of your best audience not being addressed, think of yourself 10 years ago, you have to feed the first on the race as well by addressing their position. Think about it.

[CARDOZZO]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know what that means.

God = Alien Cognition?

[Vibes]

"This is not about your personal Awakening, this is about mankind’s Awakening, so to speak."

@Leo Gura Ngl, that stings 

Because you have always been direct, and you even say it directly 'I'm trying to get you to realize...'. You know what I mean, I'm not being able to express myself well now.

Edited 22 hours ago by Vibes

[CARDOZZO]

Actualized.org is a psychotechnology to awaken humanity as a whole.

[Vibes]

Just now, CARDOZZO said:

Actualized.org is a psychotechnology to awaken humanity as a whole.

Bla bla bla. You care more about your own asshole than 'humanity', you're not at Leo's level.

[Human Mint]

I am at a point where I want to fully understand low development positions. I advanced so much that I lost touch with it, and in a sense that is a mistake. Why? Because I will fail to understand many things if I cannot see how a low consciousness mind sees the world.

This is part of seeing how mankind really works. It is easy to have your own biases fog the true motives of mankind.

Edited 22 hours ago by Human Mint

[CARDOZZO]

30 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Bla bla bla. You care more about your own asshole than 'humanity', you're not at Leo's level.

hahahah I love you. Be my friend  

[Thought Art]

@LoneWonderer I am not Christian but there is meaning of in scripture…

There is beauty, love and wisdom in all religions.

I relate to these things with more radical openness and not identifying with them. But, I’ve been moved by aspects of all religions. I’ve learned from them all. I’ve also seen their limitations, corruption etc. 

Does a Christian know they are being fooled? 
 

It likely depends on the person. Many, likely do not. Though, at times something in reality may feel confusing. A lot likely do but it doesn’t serve their survival or sense of reality to explore that. And, there are those who question their faith, leave it only to find themselves overwhelmed and confused and crawling back to what is time tested and familiar. Then, there are those who hop religions or adopt a belief system like atheism. But, they still never find absolute truth or develop a strong grounded truthful and holistic philosophy and consciousness. I don’t know if any human has really done this or how possible it is for a human. 
 

100% of human is fooled to some degree. I do not think any human is free of being fooled or wrong, or not knowing or understanding. The human sober state of operating is focused on surviving in the human domain of which deep mystical insight and high levels of cognitive, psychological, ego, consciousness develop is rare and even dangerous. 
 

It is much safer, easier and convenient to be a Christian, or to hop to being a Buddhist, or an atheist, or a new ager or something else. There is almost always some kind of human level conformity in all human spiritual seeking and study. I’m still unclear the way around that. It’s like we swim in a human sea of concepts ideas beliefs and habits. 
 

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I think as well regardless of the context, ie Christian, Muslim, etc… most humans have many complex and intricate levels of human survival needs and self deception. Integral metatheory (there is a map in Kin Wilbur’s toward a radical wholeness book) shows and helps to illuminate all the structural aspects of people’s consciousness and cognitive framing and capacities. 

Edited 21 hours ago by Thought Art

[Butters]

On 12/15/2025 at 6:38 PM, Alexop said:

Idk, i don't go to therapy. I was able to show the truth to myself. Maybe i will go if i get stuck. But it I will need a top therapist not a worthless slop one.

Hmm. I think therapy can be useful to give certain events a place or find some closure, but I doubt it's real serious personal development work or truth-seeking. 

[Yimpa]

54 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

God = Alien Cognition?

Elucidating Truth

[LoneWonderer]

@Thought Art Thanks. I applaud your efforts in reading into Christianity. In order to be alive and survive we must be deluded to certain degrees to participate in the game of survival.