Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

Translation: you gotta care about your self deception. 😏

When a moth flies into your earhole, you will have complete enlightenment.

[Elliott]

12 hours ago, Dayo said:

I don't really agree with the posts on Christianity. Christianity is about relationship. Besides that the Christians see God has being within us and outside of us. God is transcendent and immanent. There is a true self and the false self. The true self is God and the false self is the ego. Who we really are is the true self. 

How is any of that good?

[Dayo]

8 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

Such Christians are few and far between. Most have not even read the Bible, or do it in an extremely sloppy way. In Luke 18:19 you refer to he doesn't necessarily reject that he is good, he asks why the guy thinks he is good. It can be read as denial, but also as a rhetorical question pointing to how he is indeed God. Conversely, there is John 14:6 — Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”. Read literally, this invites worship; but metaphorically, if Jesus is Love, Father is Truth, and the Holy Spirit is Will, what he says is exactly right, that's what the Trinity is. Seeing it that way requires a God-realization though. 
There's a number of different interpretations for any given passage in all scripture, which is precisely the issue. Interpretation by default is corrupt and no method is taught for how to correct that, the few that are lead to further corruption. Necessarily so, since the absolutes are noninterpretable.
Not knowing what it is you have a relationship with will not end well. It would be more accurate to say that the God most people have a relationship with is actually the Devil. 
The best Bible verses are nowhere to be found in the lists of most quoted/popular ones, instead they're filled with nonsense about God protecting, guiding, and forgiving you, which is what people truly care about; it is used to excuse their sinfulness cloaked in false humility. 
"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is — his good, pleasing and perfect will". Isn't this the essence of Actualized.org in a few words? And yet all Christian explanations of it miss the mark entirely. So the general problem exists and is worth pointing out, but if Christianity or another tradition helps deepen your spiritual connection that's great, it's as it should be. 

The Bible is a book of stories, parables and poetry. You approach the bible through logic and that is where you fail. You are supposed to look beyond the words when reading scripture. I have read so many Christian mystics and I have read the Bible through lectio divina (divine seeing) and what Leo Gura talks about when it comes to nonduality matches what the mystics say and my Bible reading and contemplation. I know Leo has his issues with scriptures. They are fallible and works of human hands. I am broad minded and learn from all the other mysticisms. I just like the love flavour of Christianity best. They are all frameworks and God is ineffable. I am all about abiding with the Cosmos. 

[Elliott]

7 minutes ago, Dayo said:

The Bible is a book of stories, parables and poetry. You approach the bible through logic and that is where you fail. You are supposed to look beyond the words when reading scripture. I have read so many Christian mystics and I have read the Bible through lectio divina (divine seeing) and what Leo Gura talks about when it comes to nonduality matches what the mystics say and my Bible reading and contemplation. I know Leo has his issues with scriptures. They are fallible and works of human hands. I am broad minded and learn from all the other mysticisms. I just like the love flavour of Christianity best. They are all frameworks and God is ineffable. I am all about abiding with the Cosmos. 

So, you make it say whatever you want. LMAO

[bazera]

@Leo Gura 

You said in your post:

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So, here is my official scientific prediction: No alien civilization capable of reaching Earth is atheist. All of them know that God is Infinity. Because that's an Absolute Truth.

Why do you think that? Maybe they found a way of manipulating reality in a way that allowed them insane technological advancement, without getting contact with Absolute Truth? Why is that not possible? 

[Elliott]

12 minutes ago, Dayo said:

 

I said nothing offensive to you, I asked why what you said was good and it triggered you for some reason.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, Dayo said:

 

You don't believe the bible's last book? What was it written to mean then if not literal?

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

@Elliott Sorry for his behavior. He has been disciplined.

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[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, bazera said:

Why do you think that? Maybe they found a way of manipulating reality in a way that allowed them insane technological advancement, without getting contact with Absolute Truth? Why is that not possible?

That would mean they are less intelligent than us.

[Rafael Thundercat]

The astrophysic in the video is the proof that age dont make you intelligent. The explanatory power of that guy is like a toddler. Is bizzare to watch. This sort of videos is horror movies for me. Imagine for Leo

[Human Mint]

2 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

The astrophysic in the video is the proof that age dont make you intelligent. The explanatory power of that guy is like a toddler. Is bizzare to watch. This sort of videos is horror movies for me. Imagine for Leo

That's your average academic profesor

[JosephKnecht]

“Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself.”

― Rumi

[gettoefl]

I can def get on my knees for a Jesus and go to church and elsewhere and testify. He showed me I'm a Christ just like him and I don't need no nails to prove it. He did it already - God love him - and proved a body ain't shit. Thank you Jesus. You showed me I'm all God all the time. Thanks man above all men. You my Lord and you're my Friend, still in mind leading me and helping me, never leaving or forsaking, with me til the end,

Edited 1 hour ago by gettoefl

[LambdaDelta]

3 hours ago, Dayo said:

You approach the bible through logic and that is where you fail.

What a strange conclusion to make, nothing I said suggests that. Though you do need some logic. How would you even know to look beyond the words in the first place? Or filtering out the noise? The point was not about you, it's highlighting much broader issues, yet you keep going on about your personal approach. Which nobody denied the validity of, so there's no need to get defensive. Truth needs no defense after all. 

[Thought Art]

I was looking into this THCa stuff Leo talks about. 
 

No wonder Leo’s gets super stoned on it it’s like pure THC. I was considering trying it in a few months but I’m good. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Thought Art

[Nemra]

Christianity is problematic because it doesn't deconstruct itself nor does it have powerful tools to do that (prayer isn't really a tool). No Christian will dare to deconstruct because they have an emotional connection with the stories and such. It's too precious for them.

Christians assume that people just know God without changing their state.

Christians can talk about God confusing it with their beliefs, and they have a naive attitude towards believing.

[Thought Art]

@gettoefl amen brother 👨. 
 

 

@Nemra Can you explicitly explain why Christianity should be able to deconstruct itself and why that is good?

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Thought Art

[Nemra]

@Thought Art, because any construction can be deconstructed.

If it assumes that it can't be deconstructed, then it's not self-reflective in the first place. How can you know if it's honest to itself if it doesn't let people deconstruct it, helping people see what lies beyond construction?

Edited 13 minutes ago by Nemra

[LambdaDelta]

6 hours ago, ExploringReality said:

What are your thoughts on this especially tying in with your psychedelic tripping? What are your thoughts on the essence of religion and what people get wrong about it and what religion gets right? Also what are your experiences directly with religion?

Too much to explicate on that. The benefits and pitfalls of religion are fairly obvious and known, I'd just be regurgitating stuff. I read loads of texts from a variety of mystical traditions, they certainly enhance the spiritual experiences. I've directly experienced myself as YHWH, ΑΩ, Teōtl, etc. as well as grasped things like sanctity of life at the most fundamental level. In the end these are more like supplements that provide new perspectives on God, but they are not the absolutes. The value is poetic and artistic. It's about furthering creative expression and appreciation of God's Beauty. But you cannot, for instance, derive true morality through any scripture, religion, or tradition. At best they'll just provide a few hints. 

Edited 41 minutes ago by LambdaDelta

[Thought Art]

49 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Thought Art, because any construction can be deconstructed.

If it assumes that it can't be deconstructed, then it's not self-reflective in the first place. How can you know if it's honest to itself if it doesn't let people deconstruct it, helping people see what lies beyond construction?

By what is of benefit to a Christian for deconstructing it? 

I guess because they hold it is Truth, they don't even believe you that you can deconstruct it. Christians will hold on to their belief until they die. Then, they will realize it was a dream.