Got initiated into Kriya Yoga

[Yimpa]

21 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

If there wasn't dangers associated with Ketamine, you could utilize it in your practices, such that you take some doses to effectively calm down your mind and in that state the spiritual practices could becomes very effective.

Consider that when psychedelics mindfuck you IS a critical part the healing. 

Of course, we don’t promote it like that because then you wouldn’t even want to touch them.

My OCD went through the roof weeks after I finished ketamine infusions. But this was completely necessary to push me to do the healing work. Everything before that was me BSing myself.

[Applegarden8]

On 3/24/2024 at 10:24 PM, Jowblob said:

Wanted to do kriya yoga in a while , and behold i'm initiated. Still can't comprehend what's the point of all that work to initialize an experience when you can just take LSD and surrender to an experience. 

Isn't Kriya Yoga just a science based on belief? Or is our avatar build on these chakras. 

Anyone has any experience with Kriya Yoga? After knowing what lsd can do, i feel like Kriya Yoga is just a waste of time...

I have had experience with kriya yoga. It's very worth doing. I have encountered two types of kriya yoga. One form is like putting your body in certain shapes another is to work on your past memory and trauma to burn your karmas. Both have different effects that tend to overlap. 2nd type feels more contemporary and simpler for the western mind. 1st is more traditional like tapas. I have not taken LSD, but I don't believe it has the effects that you get from kriya yoga, especially the mental clarity and stability aspect.

[Razard86]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's not an argument in your favor.

You can damage your system with psychedelics. And this is not a good thing.

You should be careful with activating kundalini, so you don't harm yourself.

What I'm saying is there are reports of people "allegedly" doing that. I haven't actually seen any proof of that happening. So all this fear behind activating the kundalini in my opinion is uncalled for. Do you know how many disorders exist? For all you know the supposed people who fried their nervous system did so because they had an underlying neurological disorder.

In direct experience some weird things happened to me in deep meditation while in altered states and everything was fine. For example I temporarily lost hearing once but I stayed calm and it came back. There are so many beware of this beware of that stuff that I have debunked in my life. For example people say don't stare at screens for a long time in a dark room because its bad for your eyes and I have debunked that one. 

The truth is you won't know what is good or bad for you until it happens and even then it could be a momentary symptom.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I haven't actually seen any proof of that happening.

Well, I have.

But of course, some things must be seen to be believed. Although by the time you personally see it, it might be too late.

[TheSelf]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

2) Personally I dislike ketamine.

3) Ketamine is not going to do much for your baseline state. At least in my experience.

But in your video about it, you said that it gave you such a calm thought-free state of mind you've never experienced before, why you don't like it now?

Doing the practices In such calm, concentrated state of mind can be very effective.

Edited March 26, 2024 by TheSelf

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

But in your video about it, you said that it gave you such a calm thought-free state of mind you've never experienced before, why you don't like it now?

I never liked it.

It's got a very medical, clinical quality. You're taking a cat tranqulizer. Your eyes won't even work properly. It doesn't feel right. At least for me. I know some people love it. 

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Doing the practices In such state can be very effective.

I have never found it effective to do practices in the middle of a psychedelic state. But again, maybe that works for you, I don't know.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[What Am I]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's got a very medical, clinical quality. You're taking a cat tranqulizer. Your eyes won't even work properly. It doesn't feel right. At least for me. I know some people love it.

Totally agree here. Ketamine seems to actually dim my consciousness and state of presence. There's also something to be said for how addictive it is. I believe that's an indication of the lesser quality states it's producing. Not to mention the organ damage that can occur with frequent use. There's some horror stories on the /r/ketamine subreddit.

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, TheSelf said:

lol, You don't even know that you've taken a psychedelic in that state, or if you'll ever come back to the ego state.

Thats a bit exagerated. I know ive taken a psychedelic in all of my trips even the most hardcore mindblowing ones. Of course IS not like im thinking that during the trip... But if someone would enter the room and ask me is not like i wouldnt know, like, is not salvia or something. 

But yeah, is true that the state of consciousness of those chems is too radical and Intense to be thinking about creating a spiritual practice. 

 

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

 

[Anon212]

Hey OP,

I think I can offer some insight here as I have done maybe 2000 hours of Kriya Yoga. It is Sadhguru's yoga and I started 4 years ago. I have done so much in that time because I really prioritized it; it has been a central component of my life and I do 3 hours of yoga every day at the minute. I have naturally - NATURALLY (not forced) reduced my sleep quota quite a bit, so I have the time to be doing these yogas even with work, gym, relationships...

Firstly, when it comes to Sadhguru, 99% of the analysis and commentary on this forum, including the stuff from Leo, is just a lot of yap. Very few people know what he is about. Secondly, most of the people that do his yogas and that hang around the ashram and associate with him and his work are (to put it blatantly) RETARDED. I think they have certain tendencies which will definitely turn Isha Foundation into a cult in a few hundred years or at least some ridiculous religion. I have no problem with them, but there is a lack of skepticism, openness, and even interest in other spiritual teachers and methods, which includes psychedelics. I have spoken to many of these folks at retreats, and I struggle to get along with them because of the groupthink. Thirdly, people benefit differently from these yogas. I have met people who quit smoking in one week, lost weight, dropped to 5 hours of sleep, and so on very quickly, and others who are exactly the same after two years of practicing, so I don't know why this is the case, to be honest. My brother has done his yogas (not as seriously as me), but he has had little to no benefit, and that is weird since we are genetically similar. Whether or not you will benefit is unknown, but you won't know without trying.

About Sadhguru - he is a fucking freak of nature. The level of mastery over life energies is absolutely astonishing, unfathomable, just insane, with one clap he can send 1000 people off their heads. The guy is not a fucking joke, and it is such a shame that he might be perceived in a lesser way because of the development of the people that follow him and also because of his social media presence. A being of that caliber hanging around celebs and going on social media just doesn't make sense, so it is very deceptive. I have firsthand experience with his energies and also with energy forms that he has created, including Devi and Dhyanalinga.

In the span of a few years, I have overcome brutal traumas and many health issues including high blood sugar, high blood pressure, acute kidney issues, sleep problems, crippling anxiety, sexual dysfunction, and so on. 95% of all of these have dissipated, but I give myself a lot of credit here because of my commitment and drive to just keep going. Further, I have overcome an eating disorder, and my personality seems to be a lot more fluid. I am generally very happy, and most days there are short periods of time where I become fucking ecstatic; this is usually random. Focus is better blah blah, I could go on about benefits all day...

At the end of the day, I could be lying. You just need to go learn some kriya whether it's Sadhguru's or someone else's. If it doesn't work after six months, drop it and move on. But try to practice 1-2 hours a day for those 6 months. I also recommend a transmission; LEO is wrong on this, his comment that initiations are used by gurus to keep business going is not true. Sometimes it's the case, sometimes it's not, but he does not know what an initiation or a transmission is, it will speed everything up significantly and it will reduce risk. Initiation is like a software being planted, part of those softwares, depending on the quality of the guru, is that they block out the capacity to develop siddhis, these are like stoppers but you can still blow these stoppers off if you become very intense, I still developed the capacity to see auras. I do agree with anyone who sees one-on-one guru work is the best, but that just ain't gonna happen lol. Best of luck with everything, bro.

Note: I love Leo and take his work very seriously. I take it very seriously when he says that non-duality, yoga, etc., that none of this is truth. There is also something inside me telling me to do 5 MeO and something very intriguing about alien consciousness. Leo has prevented me from becoming disillusioned. Yoga has led to some awakenings but I am not forming any conclusions here and telling you it's the only way. I will say that Leo and most others are not qualified to speak on Kriya Yoga. Heck, neither am I but I shared my experience.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Anon212

[Leo Gura]

You know but you don't care.

A big part of the issue is that what you care about totally changes in a serious trip.

[Jowblob]

Damn now i'm getting scared, and don't know if i should procceed. I know what consciousness is capable off, and i know that there is a possebility you can get stuck in another dream/dimension of reality if you're not careful. There is a reason there is saying " path to god realization is like walking on razor" .

I just don't know what to do with my life anymore. I just work/sleep/drink and have little money to enjoy the life fully. I'm also scared that if i'm gonna do kriya yoga it will change the aspects of reality forever, and i don't know if i'm gonna be happy about it. I have seen at high levels of consciousness why GOD uses ego's. And the reason is against the eternal/loneliness and his own questioning about himself, like the question what am i? What i'm doing here, how did i came to existence. That's what i saw at the highest levels.

I also know that life right now, is a projection of my ego mind. SO basically life right now is just my ego's mind/dream.

 

What's the point being an eternal/infinite avatar that just creates everything with his own mind, eventually you will get bored of that. I think @Leo Gura , is giving great pointers. Do we really want to awaken, and then eventually restart the cycle again to birth/death? Because considiring everything that i know, the cycle of birth/death might be the only option/best option. "ignorance is bliss" 

From what i have seen if you die unawakened for example jumping down from a building, you will let universe decide. And i saw that i killed myself from jumping down and i got reborn as a beby boy with an empty/clean mind. I don't think any avatar or god has such a clean mind as being reborn again and not knowing what you are. I also saw at the highest level that i've reached, that this was the best option. God always goes for the lowest suffering possible considiring at all the things he has to look at, and this will is deeply rooted inside of you. I saw that it was better to reborn as a cave deweller than an ascended master that plays around with his mind/himself.

@Razard86

[Jowblob]

And you have to remember, if you're eternal/infinity and they always say "happiness is within you or Happiness can only be found in the eternal/god". Yet at the highest levels i deconstructed why it is being "said" , and the reason was: It is your own mind/will to escape your eternal always awakened mind. That's why you're putting all these constructs on yourself like dumbing yourself down, sleep / time etc. Yet it isn';t enough to "not exist" since you're eternal mind

 

Even an ascended master said , Buddha: the middle path is the best. Meaning you will never escape your own suffering. I know it was for earth. But trust me at these level of consciousness, you can access god/spiritual planes etc. So he knows what's up.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Jowblob

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Jowblob if Kriya Yoga will not suit you, you won’t follow that path and it’s ok. Simple as that. There are many paths. Don’t worry. You’ll find one, or when you are truly ready, a proper path will find you😉.

[Ishanga]

9 hours ago, Ayham said:

@Leo Gura got you, i agree it's not applicable for most westerns, imo the main danger of the traditional route would be the dogma that would get rooted in you, you can see this in a lot of kriya schools and basically any tradition, arguments about the right guru, right techniques, etc.

Sadhguru seems to be doing a business around teaching yoga superficially to the most number of people, rather than teaching team real yoga

I personally found gamana's approach to kriya perfect for me, and also there's a kriya book called "synthesis of personal experience" by Ennio nimis, it's free online, and highly skimmable, it's very high quality.

First part is his story, no need to read if not interested, i skipped personally

Second part is the "original techniques", you can read the first two chapters which are the first kriya, others are advanced higher kriyas

Third part compares different spiritual traditions and talks about why some people practice for years and go nowhere, very useful

Fourth part is just other variations of kriya, one of them is like gamana's 

 

Personally I like the approach of taking the practices without the beliefs and dogmas, doing them in a modern secular way, but even if though I do that, I still get a lot of unconscious dogmas anyway, but it helps to be aware.

It seems to me that you haven't taken spiritual practice as seriously as something like psychedelics, I'm not against psychedelics at all but what's the point of consciousness highs without having a solid baseline?

 

 

Your making a big mistake making Assumptions about what Sadhguru is doing, without really investigating it, now if You can't travel I posted something for You to try, but You won't because someone else says it won't work... Does Sadhguru have businesses? Yes for sure, he's got lots of mouths to feed, hospitals to support, schools to run and programs to provide, so money has to come in, that doesn't mean the stuff doesn't work,  or that what he is saying is bogus!  Just try it for 3-4 mths, see what happens, open  Yourself up to it (this is not about belief or brainwashing, think or investigate the technique and method of it, rather than personalities and judgements about what someone is doing that you have no idea about)!) and if You experience difference stick with it, if not drop it, its your LIfe!

[TheSelf]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

 Just try it for 3-4 mths, see what happens, open  Yourself up to it (this is not about belief or brainwashing, think or investigate the technique and method of it, rather than personalities and judgements about what someone is doing that you have no idea about)!) and if You experience difference stick with it, if not drop it, its your LIfe!

If you're talking about Kriya Yoga, if things get out of control or you needed a guidance along your journey, Sadhguru will not help you at all.

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

If you're talking about Kriya Yoga, if things get out of control or you needed a guidance along your journey, Sadhguru will not help you at all.

Well I think with the Inner Engineering program and the way it is set up with the Shambhavi Mahamudra, there shouldn't be any "Problems" since it s a slow and steady approach, the idea is not too have "Grand Experiences" right off the bat, you will have more pleasant experiences, I was having laughing fits after a couple of weeks for no reason, and lots of peace of mind since then... Now with him helping or not helping, I haven't experienced anything extraordinary, but from what he says he is available to You always, obviously this means he is available in a non physical way, he says he has initiated more ppl that he hasn't met than he's met, so he may be working on another plane of existence or something like that, I don't believe or disbelieve this stuff, its just what he says and that's that... I just look at his life, how he lives and I see that something massive is up with him, I can't describe it, but he's got something that most other do not so I would like a piece of that if that is okay lol:) I don't believe he is in it for the $$ or fame, or power, some of the things he does doesn''t make that stuff happen so why do it then??

Edited March 27, 2024 by Ishanga

[Ishanga]

@TheSelf Also, Isha has a great support system in place, ppl to talk with and such about practices and such, there are other in the Isha world that are quite advanced as well, besides Sadhguru, other Swami's and such that are under him, so that is there too to help those in need!

[Javfly33]

7 hours ago, TheSelf said:

If you're talking about Kriya Yoga, if things get out of control or you needed a guidance along your journey, Sadhguru will not help you at all.

I mean yoga is powerful is not like you are taking a psychedelic. You guys are exaggerating a bit I think. I´ve had some crazy reactions doing the shamavhi kriya but is very gradual, you get one every few weeks, then you get one every few days, then you might have 2-3 reactions every day you go the kriya for a month, but at that point the body/mind is so used to that level of energy is not a problem anymore, there is no a trace of suffering of fear, just pure explosivity. Psychedelics just put you in that intensity non-stop for 5-6 hours before any kind of preparation. Is not the same.

Also imo is still not potent enough, that´s why I personally keep doing the yoga, even me that have gone pretty hardcore and serious with this stuff still find I would like more potency. So unless you are schizophrenic or something if is a well designed kriya nothing serious should happen to you. 

Also you can literally connect with sadhguru via consciousness if you want if you get enough conscious. You dont need to send him an email. One time I channeled him for a couple a minutes after finishing the shamavhi.

Edited March 27, 2024 by Javfly33

[Salvijus]

There is something worth saying about this groupthink, groupthink, sheep thing I keep hearing. 

Now if I understand it correctly, sheep thinking or group thinking simply means, somebody else is doing the thinking for you. It means you blindly accept what somebody else is saying because you trust them and you believe they know the answers. 

Now the question I would ask is. What's wrong in allowing someone you trust do the thinking for you? For example if I suck at muscle building, I may hire a coach and say, "tell me what to do and I'll follow your instructions without trying to figure out what's best myself". We do that with doctors also, we say just tell me how can I heal this or that and will simply follow it. 

Now there is always an option, to do things yourself, to use your own mind, to try to figure things out by yourself. And there is always an option to allow someone who you trust to tell what is the Way.  And you know what, I don't see why one option is better than the other. Or why one option should be seen a bad thing. Especially the option of allowing someone you trust to do the thinking for you. In fact if you find the right guide, it will save you lots and lots of time when you're just a "sheep" so to speak. Because figuring some of the things in spirituality for yourself can take lifetimes whereas to follow it blindly takes no time.

The only danger is that you could get scammed if you happen to give your trust to a faulty guide. But this danger is there even when you choose to listen to a doctor, or a weather caster, or automobile expert, gym coach, hiking guide, any teacher of any field that you choose to listen to, whenever you accept other experts thinking without doing the research yourself, know that you're a sheep. But the negative connotation should be removed actually. Because being a sheep might be the wisest thing you have ever done in your life, if you've chosen the right guide. Because who has the time to do everything yourself? In some area of your life you'll be lacking knowledge and you'll be forced to accept someone's opinion that you trust, and you will be a sheep. Hehe. 

Basic conclusion is this. Don't be so hard on sheeps. Because there is nobody in the world who is not a sheep on some level. And also being a sheep can be the wise thing to do

 

Edited March 27, 2024 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

15 hours ago, Ayham said:

@Anon212 Thanks for sharing your experience, can you tell me if you have any knowledge about the kriya yoga mentioned in books here? is it similar to your practice?
and also if you have received sadhguru's most advanced form of kriya or just doing the beginner thing? (i am clueless about his system so sorry if the question is stupid)

It's impossible to compare practices given by a guru and those from a book. There is no book in the universe that could give you what a guru plants in a student energetically. So there's nothing to compare.

And practices given by a guru are not the important part. It is the seed planted that is the important part, and the practices are there just to nurture that seed. And as the seed grows, transformation happens of a very profound levels. 

On book yoga you have no such seed to nurture. But it's still useful in a way. There are things you can achieve with it aswell. But it's impossible to compare these two forms of practice. The nature of practice is very different. Although there could be some common elements. 

Edited March 27, 2024 by Salvijus