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Doing the neti-neti meditation feels like I´m brainwashing myself to not being identified with my body, I feel i´m just practicing it as a belief and not as a realization. How can I realize it as a truth?

Short and to the point. Very hard not to breakthrough if you be committed, persistent, and have a natural inclination for this type of meditation. https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/19183043

Hi I really want opinions on that... I'm reading/practicing Neti Neti Meditation by Andre Doshim Halaw and that's really awesome. Did you use the technique and get an enlightenment experience? What's your thoughts on that? What's your results with Neti Neti? Love you all ♥

I cant get past feeling that "I" (whatever that is) is located within my body. I realize how I am not actually my body. But I sure as hell feel located within it. Help me understand why that's wrong.

I did the Neti Neti method while on psychedelics and meditating. It was very powerful.

I have watched leo's videos on the Neti Neti technique and I want to make it a habit but I have a few questions is the Neti Neti technique supposed to be a contemplation exercise using words and saying things like "where is the perceiver?" or "this isn't me". this seems quite different from others forms of meditation where I want to quite my mind. Can I do this while doing basic tasks like waling and driving? is 20 minutes a day a good start? should this be more of a repetition thing asking the same body parts and ego parts if they are me or should it try and explore. Is brute repetition key or is it more just sitting and contemplating whatever comes to mind first? when I first watched his videos on the self, and asking where "I" am at that time I felt confident that I knew where "I" was and that was the head, but then later this conceptual idea loosened a bit and now my conceptual idea is that I am nothing, However I still feel like this could be hiding something. My intellectual idea of my ego is hiding behind my own vale of spiritualty and most likely is still about the same but is just pretending that I am nothing. How should I proceed? Any other tips on how to make this a habit and do it regularly? Thank you

It seems there is very little research with the use of psychedelics in small doses for spiritual purposes. Watched the old Leo´s video Enlightenment Guided Inquiry - The Neti Neti Method last week on a very low dose of Lsd and it produced an "Interesting" state of consciousness. I did not become Enlightened but the most interesting thing was the rest of the day and the following day (over 36 hours after the dose) I was in a very very intense state of mindfulness/meditation while doing all sort of activities (from going buying groceries to cleaning the house, ). It was like being on meditation but while being able to do all sort of activities. I wonder if a very low dose of psychedelics with self-inquiry guided audios on a regular basis (but not too much) would be able to, maybe not produce samadhi full realizing consciousness experiences, but could absolutely skyrocktet living a more high consciouss /mindfulness state in the everyday life.

I'm interested in some advice on the practice of "Neti, neti". Could anyone briefly describe a method? I assume it involves considering various aspects of being and experience, and reflecting "Not this"?

In my humble opinion this is most potent self inquiry gudie on yt for beginners i got my first awakening after doing this for 2 weeks. It breaks all traps of self inquiry such as menttal mastrubation, monkey mind.... So radical, this is masterpiece

I love paradoxes and enjoy trying to hold two seemingly opposing ideas as both simultaneously true. However I would appreciate anyone else's considered view on this. The 'So Hum' mantra (I am that) seems to point towards the Samadhi experience of seeing everything as one. If I am one with the chair that I am staring at, then I am equally one with this hand. The 'Neti Neti' self inquiry (not this, not this) seems to point towards the true self being not my car, not my thoughts, not my hand. Are these two thoughts opposite of each other? Is it a technical subtlety (ie I am that, but I am not this)? If so can some please illuminate. Is it as simple as both are true? Is it a mistake to take anything spoken or written as true? Is it that I am not this (neti neti), nothing, no-thing, no separation, everything, I am that (so hum)? Thanks.

This is sort of a variation on my thoughts in yesterday's post about the difference between mockery and spiritual teachings. You are the dog crap on your shoe. You are the janitor. You are the President. You are your body. You are dead. You are alive. You are beautiful. You are ugly. You are a banana. You are Big Bird. You are the color yellow. You are the color purple. You are colorless. Don't you have to do this sort of thing at the same time as you say "not this, not this" ? Because you ARE, you ARE it all. Isn't that nihilsm when we say neti neti and don't also bask in the beauty of everything and infinite abundance?

I discovered this cool way to do neti neti... forgive me if something like this was already posted! So you stand in the sun, arms wide to your sides or hanging comfortably, standing as balanced and comfortably as you can. Now the idea is to feel into the space that sorrounds you and goes through you. The idea is that every single perception occurs within this space. Your visual field, the things you hear, the feelings in your body, even your thoughts occur in some space usually in what seems to be the space in your head. Now try to feel into this space and as such into all these perceptions at once trying to keep a relatively calm mind. Now with conviction think to yourself "not me" since you know that you cant be anything you observe... Now genuinly ask "what am i? And boom, theres a good chance you´ll pop into your nothingness, asboluteness.

I watched Leo's video on the Neti Neti method a few days ago. In the video Leo talks about you being a constant or something I interpreted as being a presence. I'm having trouble with this as isn't me thinking that I am a constant just another baseless assumption along the lines of me assuming I am the body or I am the mind? Because if I do this method I just hear this idea that i'm a constant and if I take that as truth it's just another assumption. Also if you are a constant and you become conscious of this through becoming enlightened would that mean that you are aware when you sleep in a way? (Just an interesting inquiry there.)

Hey everyone, I just wanted to share some images I have created after I had quite an intense experience last night after doing Leos Neti Neti Enlightenment Guided Inquiry. After I watched Leos video on The Truth about Spiritual Enlightenment multiple times, I thought I had gained a logical grasp of it. Neti Neti has been the only way I have been able to accept what I actually am in reality as truth and experience a glimpse of it myself. My favourite thing about it is that your mind begins to open up while doing the inquiry until it is open enough to question the very nature of all your beliefs systems. It honestly feels like your mind is being warped and every belief system you once held is just recognised as a story and thought. The kind of thoughts that ran through "my" mind when doing this inquiry were - "Could you have actually been born if there wasn't a thought confirming this belief?" & "How could I possibly die if my physical body never existed in the first place?". I'd be happy for you to let me know if you think I'm on the right track after reading the text on the images I posted. I decided to create them because unfortunately even though I am aware of this truth, it is very easy to get sucked back into the mundane world. Thanks

Hey Guys, so I´ve been doing Self Inquiry for over a week now daily for at least 30 minutes. (to be honest I´ve lost track for how long exactly but anyways...) I´ve gotten some insights, which you can partially read in my previous posts, but for the last 2 days I felt like hitting my head against a solid 3 kilometers thick brick wall of ancieties, preconceptions, fears, beliefs and so on. And by brick I mean like mo**f***ng BRICK. Like the real kind. The kind that you need like wagons full of dynmite to get through. You get my point it seems insurmountable. Basically my mind is unwilling to open to there even being a possibility of the state of no self which we refer to as enlightenment, awakening and all sorts of other labels. So today I thought I´d switch it up a knotch and why not do the Guided Visualization by Leo in his Neti Neti Method Video. So I did and now the "problem is even clearer. In his video he´s saying something like: Until you´ve opened your mind up to the possibility of not being a Self your not ready to do the Inquiry. The inquiry starts after you´ve opened your mind. And this is what happened... "No I can´t", rebells my mind in utter panic. "Why not I ask", a little bit annoyed. "Because this is all we have. We only have ourselves. Without this you´ll be unsafed, you´ll be alone, you´ll be damned !" I get more and more frustrated and pissed at my self. How could I be so stupid ? After reading all the books and watching all the videos about Enlightenment, how the Ego keeps you enslaved and so forth this protector part had such an utter faith in the fact that the old me, the mind, the EGO would be the only way to feel secure. I´m hitting my head against this wall. Again and again. And like a snake the mind wispers: "No don´t try. It´s pointless. It´s obvious. We know how we are." I take note of the comment. Try to not give it to much energy and focus again on my inquiry. And there´s the wall again. This doesn´t make any sense. My mind distracts me with totally random thoughts of this or that. My relashionship, eating food, porn and what not. It´s so annoying. In fact it´s painfull. Not to mention my other inner emotional conflicts which constantly interfer. My heart and throat chakra tensed in anxiety. It all feels hopeless and pointless. I´m stuck forever stuck in this rotten misery. So known. So ugly. But yet it somehow feels safe. I can´t get out. I have to get out. I´m in resistance. I´m stuck. Gosh this is annoying. But sometimes. This slight hint of an awareness that there´s something there to discover which I´m simply unaware of for now. The insight of how lacking the connection to this conciousness, this awareness, is the root of all my "problems" in life. But I can find it. Somehow. Some way. There´s hope. Not only that. There´s perspective. Perspective for all the love and passion to pour right to the wounds inflicted in the past and light to crack into the concrete block of equmiliated falsehood and deception of the mind. It keeps me driving to the truth all day everyday. With every step and every breath. So my question is how do i make this part of me feel safe enough to start doing the Inquiry and no longer resisting it ? And how do I deal with my mind and Ego resisting this work ? Much Love, Moritz

In this book from Andre Doshim Halaw, he teache method that seems very effective to mee. But I don't really get what he says. I am not able to get what he means, for example wit "the base-object". Is there some more details about his method somewhere?

Hello, "I" have just finished reading neti-neti meditation book and I wanted to ask you if is such an effective technique compared to others("i"don't know others techniques because 'i' am kind of new to enlightment thing.)and if could start this one until i learn others. You can also tell me about your thoughts are about the book. I love it how it's short and how it gets straight to the "point".

After an intense meditation session recently, as I was practicing neti-neti by negating everything in my experience, I experienced a disturbing 'zooming-out' of my senses. For the first time in my life, I felt as if my senses (specifically sight and the feeling of the body) were not me. That me was something that observed these senses, and was somehow always there, never moving. My senses now seem much less real than I originally believed. Now I am plagued by an uncomfortable feeling that I am absolutely alone in the universe. Because everyone that I know (my parents, brother, friends) and every single thing in the reality that I access, and have always accessed, through my senses, has been put into question. It is much more comfortable for me to pretend that everything is still normal, that the old reality is still real, that my senses are intrinsically part of me. But in the back of my mind I cannot forget about how everything now seems so fake. I would like some advice, given that I am trying to become enlightened. Does this sound like I am going in the right direction with neti-neti, and that I should pursue this phenomenon further? Or does all of this sound like some unnecessary delusion that I am clinging to, that I should also negate? Thank you members of this forum, who may or may not be figments of my imagination.

Hey everyone, I've been meditating for about 4 months and recently began to do the Neti Neti method. What I've been doing is wait until a thought arises and ask to myself who am I or where are these thoughts arising from and who is listening to these thoughts. Usually I understand it logically and somewhat makes sense but this time I truly believe that what I thought was myself was wrong. I was watching a video on YouTube in my bed, preparing to go to sleep when a video caught my eye. The title was 'Are we all related?' and basically summarised that we all are, following the human family tree all the way back. After the video ended, I began to think a bit deeper about it, that we all can trace ourselves back to the simplest form of life on earth. At this point, I chose to sit in a meditative posture and meditate on this. I began to ask the question, so where did this simple life form that started life on earth come from? Did it come from another planet? I really had no idea. At this point I began to realize perhaps we're no more significant than a grain of sand, after realising this I began to ask myself the important question, if we're no more significant than a grain of sand, who am I? For a long time I literally thought I was my thoughts and feelings but came to the realization that my thoughts and feelings are nothing, so the me that I thought I am was nothing but a thought. I'm about an hour in and completely confused, I felt as if I really had no idea who I really am, after about an hour and a half of meditating, I came out with a new understanding. It was the deepest most insightful meditation I've ever done. I was feeling waves of euphoria every once in a while during practice, which I've never experienced and had no idea why this happened. Am I doing the Neti Neti correctly? How do I progress and can someone give me some insight into what was experienced?

Yesterday , from my second inquiry ( first serious investigation ) through the Neti Neti meditation I just got that intense frustration of running out of resources about who I am , and along with leo's affirmation that i am " this " came to me the HOLY SHIT sensation followed by the aware nothingness for around 30 secondes to 1 minute , followed by a sense of peace and calmness . That flow was too powerful and intense that after the realization I felt my eyelashes unceasingly blinking fast , it's just like my eyes wanted to open and yet I was resisting . After that i sticked with Leo's post visualisation explanation with honesty . I am planning on doing the work and inquiry tonight again even more seriously .. but looking for recommandations and guidance . Thank you Leo , Thank you ' community '

Hey all. So I just completed Leo's video, 'Enlightenment Guided Inquiry - The Neti Neti Method'. I struggle to sit in one position for that amount of time so I changed positions a few times because my back ached. I ended with lying down on the floor belly up with a book supporting my head, I had to keep my eyes open for a lot of it to avoid falling asleep, which I almost did (The video wasn't boring, i'm just really tired). Anyway, this isn't really too relevant to it all but just a bit of background on how I listened to the video. Nothing really earth shattering happened, how ever as I had my eyes open the ceiling was changing colour slightly, and then I closed my eyes and saw these strange burst of vivid colour like paint splatters. What I wonder is, was a genuine experience, or if it was my ego telling me that I HAVE to have some sort of experience and therefore pushed it into my consciousness.. Thoughts? Thanks!

In the letting go method of leo's latest video he talks about 'becoming reality'. Instead of being in your mind, be 'out there'. Doesnt this contradict neti neti which says you are not an experience? Why would you become reality, when 'becoming reality' is itself an experience? What you really are is that intangible thing experiencing reality..

Hi everyone ! While going through the Neti Neti visualization, especially when it comes to the channels smell and taste, it seems rather unsatisfying to basically dismiss those only because we naturally have poor faculties in both smell and taste ; which is also relatively true for all of our senses knowing that none of them are perfect. Leo says this himself : " the channel of taste is very easy because we have such a poor sense of taste ". This is a misinterpretation. Theoretically, we might be capable of smelling something coming from our true self if only we had a much more powerful sense of smell ; and of course this is also true for all the other senses. What do you guys think ?