Search the Community

"See, if you imagine deeply enough that you're an alien from other planet that becomes your reality" I mean, who could contradict considering some events following that video? And for the aficionados of Conceptual Solipsism of green Sanskrit(?) form and of Conceptual Solipsism of the more red heart shaped form: I have a hard time balancing my good wishes in your endeavours concerning slugging it out on the relative/conceptual level, so I wish both of you good luck & success. When you are tired trying to get to the Absolute using any conceptual -ISM, (like Solipsism), maybe start considering: “The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth. The named is the mother of ten thousand things. Ever desireless, one can see the mystery. Ever desiring, one can see the manifestations. These two spring from the same source but differ in name; this appears as darkness. Darkness within darkness. The gate to all mystery.” And sit down and mediate in a non-conceptual way on who or what you really are, and what is hearing these words right now, and who or what is doing all this debating. As always, bon voyage & no increase in blood pressure while debating Selling Water by the River

Alien Consciousness is just that - doing shit that you can’t do through Human Consciousness. For example, imagine being able to self-heal yourself without ever taking a medication? If you are a human, please continue taking your medications (assuming you’re prescribed them).

Yes, you're right. Everyone needs to know that the reason he hasn't uploaded is because he hasn't found his alien camera.

@EdgeGod900 Maybe he needs this PC to finally have enough Graphic Power to transform him into an alien on video

Look on first page in the thread Alien Consciousness

He will return once he finally finds that camera which can record his alien transformation.

My mind right now is empty but has that subtle ‘meta’ awareness like I’m always present and a witness to my senses. Sometimes thoughts pop in here and there but that’s a sign my awakenings are incomplete and I have more work to do. I probably need to completely surrender like you said. Really interested in the states of consciousness Leo has experienced (alien consciousness, love, insanity etc.) Hope I can get to that level one day

In most movies, the protagonists choose 1 relative, sometimes sick, old or otherwise impaired over millions and billions of people. Can't remember the name of the movie, but a French/Swiss scientist, with the possibility to find the weapon to fight some generic alien invasion driven by Boston dynamics robot dogs, escaped from military protection for the chance to 'save' her drug addicted, possibly dead, sister.

Grimes - Sci-Fi/Futuristic Tech/Alien Music

I enjoyed this contemporary conversation, perhaps quite a milestone for the average Jake Paul community members:

Peter Ralston is also an amazing resource. If you understand how to create, align and relate to a complete different reality, you're an Alien. If you understand how to create an Avatar with a unique experience where you're a Polymath Alien, you'll be fine. I'll get there.

@Vibes Don't take this guy/girl/alien/whatever seriously. He did the same shit with me.

You can get to a point where your love surpasses any kind of porn you can find on the internet. No amount of porn can equate to this love I speak of. Why? Because it’s Alien Love.

Good luck not being thirsty when you’re a high libido man and totally deprived of female physical contact for years upon years upon years, really destroys a guy inside. There’s no hiding the thirst because the moment you open a qt she already knows what you want. Needy and desperate on the other hand, those are concealable. I sure haven’t. I’ve found that girls will usually be as unhelpful as humanly possible in pickup If anything I’ve made more progress with the polite robot than anything else. In no way do I relate to your typical stacies and beckies; they are alien to me, and malevolent ones at that. What do I have to relate to them about? Nobody cares if you both like kombucha or you’re both wearing jeans. We are as different as night and day on everything from music to philosophy to what makes us angry to social media usage to sexual experience and most of all humor, effectively everything that matters. I know there are different types of girls out there but I mean it when I say there isn’t enough. Not enough to find one that isn’t already taken or claims to be taken anyway. So there goes the hope of being relatable unless I either become a chameleon or fundamentally change who I am. Or am I missing something? But wouldn’t that also run the risk of tempting you to emulate their behavior, there goes your authenticity if that happens? Here’s the problem with that, and this is a very important thing I’m about to say: I can watch the interaction like an NSA agent. But it won’t help one bit if the feedback I get doesn’t accurately reflect what they’re really feeling. I’m not going to learn jack shit if all they do is give me that blank faced fluoride stare the whole time and give me one worded responses. Girls also for some reason like to deliberately disguise their true feelings as something else. They’ll pretend to be interested in the conversation only to later complain to their friends/bfs/authority figures about that super weird dude (me) that thought he was good enough to talk to them for some reason and how deeply uncomfortable they were the whole time. I wish I was making this up. It’s virtually impossible to calibrate if I’m going to be misled and back stabbed like that.

@Jowblob you have quoted our Alien Friend👽! How nice😉

@Princess Arabia I don't know if you have noticed when our Alien Friend says: "Meaning is something that is ascribed; nature is an objective reality". Yes, yes, I know, it is perhaps a CGI video, but... this quote is somehow deep... I reckon two major groups on this forum are having a discussion battle about what IS. One group puts "story" and "meaning" before what IS; the other instead believes that it IS first and any story about IT or giving meaning to IT does not in any way change the nature of what IS. Take Love, for example. The nature of Love is to give, share, and care selflessly. The nature of water is that it is wet in a liquid state, of fire that it is hot, and of Hate that it strives for annihilation. My point is that no story, no playing with effects in a photo or painting changes what IS. Even what is only imagined has its own nature. And although imagined elements appear and disappear, their nature does with them. It is assigned to them. In this universe, liquid water feels wet, but ice feels cold. It is possible that our Alien Friend is right, and there are infinite universes; in one of them, the water may taste like chocolate. I don't see any obstacles, although I believe that even there, Love remains what it IS - the only real space for any imagination.

Nice one. Especially what our Alien Friend has to say about „meaning” and „morality”. Enjoy!

If anyone is interested enough in this topic for 5-10 mins of reading, a section of the philosophy book I'm writing deals with some of the difficulties in creating an AGI. The tldr version is that artificial intelligence doesn't actually understand anything, and a capacity for understanding isn't something that can just be programmed into a computer. Rather, understanding is an embodied process that relies on Reality having consequences for the being in question. Unlike living beings, AIs have no 'skin in the game' as far as thier interactions with Reality. Living beings and digital computers are organized around very different axiomatic principles, so it's an open question as to whether or not a capacity for understanding can be replicated in a disembodied AI. ______________________________ What Artificial Intelligence Can Teach Us About Minds As of the time of this book’s writing in 2023, machine learning algorithms such as ChatGPT have advanced to the point where their responses to questions can correspond to an impressive degree with how human beings use written language. ChatGPT’s ability to incorporate context in conversationally appropriate ways makes interacting with these models feel uncannily natural at times. Of course, training an AI language model to interact with humans in ways that feel natural is far from an easy problem to solve, so all due credit to AI researchers for their accomplishments. Yet in spite of all this, it’s also accurate to point out that artificial intelligence programs don't actually understand anything. This is because understanding involves far more than just responding to input in situationally appropriate ways. Rather, understanding is grounded in fundamental capacities that machine learning algorithms lack. Foremost among these is a form of concernful absorption within a world of lasting consequences; i.e., capacity for Care. To establish why understanding is coupled to Care, it will be helpful to explore what it means to understand something. To understand something means to engage in a process of acquiring, integrating, and embodying information. Breaking down each of these steps in a bit more detail : (1) Acquisition is the act of taking in or generating new information. (2) Integration involves synthesizing, or differentiating and linking, this new information with what one already knows. (3) Embodiment refers to how this information gets embedded into our existing organizational structure, informing the ways in which we think and behave. What’s important to note about this process is that it ends up changing us in some way. Moreover, the steps in this sequence are fundamentally relational, stemming from our interactions with the world. While machine intelligence can be quite adept at the first stage of this sequence, owing to the fact that digital computers can accumulate, store, and access information far more efficiently than a human being, it’s in the latter steps that they fall flat in comparison to living minds. This is because integration and embodiment are forms of growth that stem from how minds are interconnected to living bodies. In contrast, existing forms of machine intelligence are fundamentally disembodied, owing to the fact that digital computers are organized around wholly different operating principles than that of living organisms. For minds that grow out of living systems, interconnections between a body and a mind, and between a body-mind and an environment, is what allows interactions with Reality to be consequential for us. This is an outcome of the fact that our mind’s existence is sustained by the ongoing maintenance of our living bodies, and vice versa. If our living bodies fail, our minds fail. Likewise, if our minds fail, our bodies will soon follow, unless artificially kept alive through external mechanisms. Another hallmark of living systems is that they’re capable of producing and maintaining their own parts; in fact, your body replaces about one percent of its cellular components on a daily basis. This is evident in the way that a cut on your finger will heal, and within a few days effectively erase any evidence of its existence. One term for this ability of biological systems to produce and maintain their own parts is autopoiesis (a combination of the ancient Greek words for ‘self’ and ‘creation’). The basic principles behind autopoiesis don't just hold true for your skin, but for your brain as well. While the neurons that make up your brain aren’t renewed in the same way that skin or bone cells are, the brain itself has a remarkable degree of plasticity. What plasticity refers to is our brain’s ability to adaptively alter its structure and functioning. And the way that our brains manage to do this is through changes in how bundles of neurons (known as ‘synapses’) are connected to one another. How we end up using our mind has a direct (though not straightforward) influence on the strength of synaptic connections between different regions of our brain; which in turn influences how our mind develops. Accordingly, this is also the reason why the science fiction idea of ‘uploading’ a person’s mind to a computer is pure fantasy, because how a mind functions is inextricably bound with the network of interconnections in which that mind is embodied. This fundamental circularity between our autopoietic living body and our mind is the foundation of embodied intelligence, which is what allows us to engage with the world through Care. Precisely because autopoietic circularity is so tightly bound with feedback mechanisms that are inherent to Life, it’s proven extraordinarily challenging to create analogues for this process in non-living entities. As such, it’s yet to be demonstrated whether or not autopoietic circularity can be replicated, even in principle, through the system of deterministic rules that governs digital computers. Furthermore, giving machine learning models access to a robotic ‘body’ isn’t enough, on its own, to make these entities truly embodied. This is because embodiment involves far more than having access to and control of a body. Rather, embodiment is a way of encapsulating the rich tapestry of interconnections between an intelligence and the physical processes that grant it access to a world (keeping in mind that everything that your body does, from metabolism to sensory perception, is a type of process). For the sake of argument, however, let’s assume that the challenges involved in the creation of embodied artificial intelligence are ultimately surmountable. Because embodiment is coupled to a capacity for Care, the creation of embodied artificial intelligence has the potential to open a Pandora’s box of difficult ethical questions that we may not be prepared for (and this is in addition to the disruptive effects that AI is already having on our society). Precisely because Care is grounded in interactions having very real consequences for a being, by extension this also brings with it a possibility for suffering. For human beings, having adequate access to food, safety, companionship, and opportunities to self actualize aren’t abstractions, nor are they something that we relate to in a disengaged way. Rather, as beings with a capacity for Care, when we’re deprived of what we need from Reality, we end up suffering in real ways. Assuming that the creation of non-living entities with a capacity for Care is even possible, it would behoove us to tread extraordinarily carefully since this could result in beings with a capacity to suffer in ways that we might not be able to fully understand or imagine (since it’s likely that their needs may end up being considerably different than that of a living being). And of course, there’s the undeniable fact that humanity, as a whole, has had a rather poor track record when it comes to how we respond to those that we don’t understand. For some perspective, it’s only relatively recently that the idea of universal human rights achieved some modicum of acceptance in our emerging global society, and our world still has a long way to go towards the actualization of these professed ideals. By extension, our world’s circle of concern hasn’t expanded to include the suffering of animals in factory farms, let alone to non-living entities that have the potential to be far more alien to us than cows or chickens. Of course, that’s not to imply that ‘humanity’ is a monolith that will respond to AI in just one way. Rather, the ways that beings of this type will be treated will almost certainly be as diverse as the multitude of ways that people treat one another. Of course, all of this is assuming that the obstacles on the road to embodied artificial intelligence are surmountable, which is far from a given. It could very well be that the creation of non-living entities with a capacity for understanding is beyond what the axioms of what the rules of digital computation allow for. And that apparent progress towards machine understanding is analogous to thinking that one has made tangible progress towards reaching the moon because one has managed to climb halfway up a very tall tree. Yet given the enormity of the stakes involved, it’s a possibility that’s worth taking seriously. For what it’s worth, we’ll be in a much better position to chart a wise course for the challenges that lie ahead if we approach it with a higher degree of self understanding.

I'm not talking about "awakening", you realized you're God ok fine That is only part of what I'm talking about which is to actualize yourself as God ... < Cat < Human < Alien < ...

I get where you are going and I'm telling you awakening is not human - it is Infinite Consciousness. Call that alien if you wish but note that the term is relative. Alien as opposed to what? Human? Ok. Well, what if I told you that "human" is completely imaginary and made up? So are cats, and so are aliens.

Thank you for that post. Then I don't have to write something similiar, end can enjoy the sunday focusing on other endeavours. But what would happen to our little drama show here if that were not or no longer the case? One could start worrying a bit about the drama factor of the show winding down considering the possibility that certain key players get tired and actually could consider getting off the hamster mill & tail chasing. And getting tired of being only temporarily relieved in their self-contraction by grasping at the beauty of trying to understand the infinity of the manifested side of consiousness n+1 so to say. And actually winding down and ending the "you" or self-contraction, as Inliytened1 mentioned. The contraction=ego=separate self=suffering burning, dying and evaporting in the obvious omnisience of ones own True, Enternal and Infinite Being. Being replaced by the relieve of knowing ones True Self to be all arisings and manifestation, no matter how high or low or alien or eartly or n+1. Now, ever since, and forever, no matter how much confusion arises again this life or the next. But considering how much ingeniuty Infinite Reality put into the autopoiesis of the ego/separate-self delusion-arisings/Gestalt (all the way up to the very top of the mountain), probably not much to worry considering the continuation of the gig. But who knows... Selling Water by the River

I would tell you that it is surely interesting, but no matter how broad it is, it will be a finite perspective, and being a cat I can access infinity because everything, including rats, are the absolute total infinity. So, there are only two kinds of state, the finite and the infinite. Within the finite state are there other higher states? Sure, but being finite, why stick to them? It doesn't matter if you are a cat, rat, alien or dog shit, you are always the absolute total infinity, so enjoy what you are.

Substances are an essential part of the full circle of awakening. Alien Consciousness isn’t that far fetched and seems logical. I’m really not sure why you feel the need to put someone down in that way? Jealous? It’s not very awake tho. I’m not claiming I’m awake, I wouldn’t be so arrogant or immodest. Everyone is on an even playing field to me. Feel the love.

Razard has covered all of what awakening is - as have I. Leo has as well but the problem is he didn't awaken himself. He did so via psychedelics but that ain't awakening. And now he thinks there is something beyond awakening. Beyond all things. Alien consciousness. Well - I hate to break the hard cold truth to you- but take it from someone who actually has awakened from the dream - this is a fiction.

*sigh* Time to call in the alien carpet cleaning professionals… again 🙄