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You fully master the twelve time potentials in a three step process. First, you learn them. Next, you learn them even better by acting them out. Finally, you master them after you have taught them to others. In the final Master teaching stage the Self can merge with the Sun. The Self then can become radiating, full of life giving light. But, until all nine of the potentials are integrated, and the whole potential of your Being is realized, you will be submitted to reincarnation. As Keyserling says, you will be stuck in the "cosmic game of bowling". Only when all of your pins, your potential, have been set up and mastered, can you survive the inevitable black ball of death. Excerpts from chapter 6 http://www.chanceandchoice.com/course-overview/time-cycles/ The majority of people today never develop any personality of their own at all. Instead, they have a false personality imposed on them from their parents, friends, job or society. The false personality has no connection with any of their innate capacities. For this reason it is usually weak, and the person has little energy or vitality. Only personality which is in connection with a person's essence - their inner sun - can vitalize. The false, unconnected personalities only block energy. They act as a negative mask to hide true potential, instead of express it. Such lifeless personalities should be dropped and replaced by impulses and roles which you choose. They should be replaced by personalities that are more in accord with your essence and true potential. In the Gurdjieff tradition this process of liberation from false personalities is called "waking up". It is accomplished in part through a process called "self remembering" where you observe the false personalities in action.

Arent the bardos implying a separate self, continuing the journey towards reincarnation with little chance of dissolving into oneness? I thought and think of the Tibetan monks as very enlightened people, which also shows itself in their very long meditation practices. Am not sure if their teaching are direct insights of their enlightened monks

@krockerman your questions are very superficial. “I want this” and “I want that”... you gotta let go of that wanting and striving for something else and be cool with what’s happening right now or you will always suffer. As for the reincarnation, who knows man. Maybe you’ll come back poor and deformed. Will you be happy then? I’d advise you to sit and investigate why you want to be someone else and escape so badly.

You don't reincarnate you didn't exist until your parents created you what people are confusing of reincarnation is the signature from your bloodline kind of like passing the torch to the next one for lack of a better term. So when you die you'll move on to the next phase of your existence but you are not coming back as a new person in a new body .

I'm wondering if there is some sort of order to life and death, to reincarnation. If one keeps evolving their consciousness throughout this lifetime but doesn't become enlightened, is that then stored for the next time round? Also, I believe Krishna consciousness teaches that if you love eating pork in this life, you will become a pig in the next sort of thing. Along with living through 8.4 million (or billion?) different species. Just a thought.

That is a traditional and probably exaggerated claim made by Yoga. Transcendental Meditation makes a similar claim, though not to newcomers. In some of those beliefs, reincarnation occurs because deep-seated earthly experiences call the soul back to Earth repeatedly. And Yoga is supposed to remove the residue of those experiences. While Yoga is a very deep system of knowledge, I tend to think this type of material on reincarnation is drastically oversimplified and not universally applicable. For clarity on this subject I recommend the books Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls by Michael Newton; Your Soul's Plan by Robert Schwartz, and the Seth books by Jane Roberts -- especially "Seth Speaks".

@DoTheWork ahhhhh so that’s what it means coupled up with the fact I never broke down begginning and end duality. Thanks it goes on for infinity awakening. Thanks for completing my knowledge these were the two I was missing. Your answer is the same as everyone else’s. I get it now so are you going to try what I suggested? It won’t make you unenlightened. Your gonna have to find another way to make yourself unenlightened. What I’m saying is that it will leave you in pure nothing. Which is different to becoming unenlightened or even the realisation of now itself and absolute infinity. Its as you would put it ... the end of reincarnation as you’ve witnessed in your own direct expeirience. @zeroISinfinity sorry you were right about your side of the knowledge. What I’m talking about isn’t connected to all of this. So I guess it doesn’t matter. But Interestingly enough though you could try what I said as the practice and there is a chance to get there. Still only a belief until you do it lol. If anyone ever does. I think I’m happy with getting to where you guys are now. I just wanted to get the knowledge structure down first. Hehehe, now to take the path. Sorry to everyone for being such a troublesome person lol. I finally got it. None of you are enlightened hehehe, you are all just now as I am aware of. But not as a direct experience.

the notion of "sentient" or "conscious" beings is an illusion inside of pure consciousness. from personal experience i would refrain from asking questions about reincarnation until the end of your journey. but for the sake of Q and A, the answer is yes, but how will you prove this in your direct experience? it is just a belief otherwise. Towards the end of the journey, you can understand it as a concept and the importance behind the use of such words in yogic and hindu traditions. Still we must remember thats words are holistic pointers pointing to seperate parts of the whole In leo's teachings he likes to mention the elephant story of 5 blind monks touching an elephant and each of them describing different parts of the elephant differently. That is what someone saying reincarnation is like.

@abrakamowse but how ? is the question even if you say that there are souls created with consciousness, thats still implying there is one spirit with split into multiple forms and have their own consciousness. This still poses a problem, because all spirits are operating on their own accord by their own consciousnesss. Even if you strip the soul of all its properties, the consciousness itself undergoes multiple reincarnation. This would imply that each consciousness/ spirit is different ages. if they are different ages that means there is a start and an end. But how is all this possible and how does it really work? its not so simple as saying that the soul/ spirit is yourself and that you are god reincarnating as yourself. because that would mean there are a finite number of souls/ spirits in absolute infinity and by definition there needs to be an infinite number of reincarnation, first births and rebirths.

You are the spirit of light, but because the spirit is impersonal, there is no you and you are everything and everyone. Spirit gets bored and wants to know itself. It manifests its hearth into Maya and becomes differentiated into souls, sparks of light. Which reincarnates by karmic activity. This karmic activities create personalities that we live in physical life. We/you/me are the impersonal spirit, experiencing the illusion of differintation by emanating as souls/sparks through reincarnation. You are both the impersonal spirit and the reincarnating soul at the same time.

@Tistepiste Yes, as i said... the issue with reincarnation is that it takes a certain level of understanding to establish before you can understand its meaning, you have to have a conceptual understanding of what is meant by the "self" in its semi-entirety. You have obviously not understood because that response is exactly what a person who does not know the self would say. it would just be counter productive to your path to try to understand reincarnation, i always think it should be contemplated ltowards the end of the journey. personally that is . nonetheless, the answer itself may give you an insight : The answer on your level is that, you should ask yourself people die and are born everyday, but what is truly reborn? when your body is dropped, how can it be that the identity of the person who identified with the body will carry over. For example if i thought i was brown in colour of my skin and i died and went to a new body. Why would that information carry over to the next body? the next body does not say it has brown colour Just reaise that this is only on the 2nd level of consciousness, each level has their own interpretation of reincarnation, but to realise what it truly means, it must reflect on all levels. Which means you have to progress up the levels in order. So this is good for now, but just know there is more to the meaning of reincarnation than i can put in a single sentence for yu to understand at your current level of understanidng The expansion of your awareness/ consciousness is going up levels, (if there were levels as a map)

@Aakash but to me, reincarnation is reborn. How can you be everyone right now if everyone is living simeltanuously? Eg. I die, I get born as a different person. But how can me being trump be fit into the definition of reincarnation? Or do I see it wrong?

@Tistepiste Reincarnation is only a pointer, you can become conscious of this, but it is an advance teaching in my opinion. For the realisation of "reincarnations" meaning you would neeed to be atleast on the third dimension of consciousness to see it in your direct experience. However, it is fully understood in the fourth dimension of consciousness (absolute infinity) ... simply put if can understand this line then you should be fine with THIS POINTER "You are god life and death = reincarnation " This is expressed on the third dimension of consciousness, projected actuality in our spatial location.

Enlightenment is a recognition of who you are before you were told your first belief. Essentially a master can not tell you what enlightenment is , but they can tell you what it’s like or what it appears like they truly can only point to you. So the question is: what is experience ? Where did I learn this word/concept? Who told me, I am experiencing ? Then you take the counter-argument i am definitely experiencing, how can I not be ? Its obvious that I’m experiencing even the scientist say it! For each question, you either prove it or disprove it and move forward with the one you most think is true. Until you build the absolute truth but in Leo’s teachings the absolute truth = the present moment which is unconditional love. So if I happened to say death, reincarnation mahasamadhi is the absolute truth, it is partially true. However ultimately not true.

A soul reincarnates in a evolutionary manner. From elemental to plant, insect, animal, human, "angel/demon" kingdoms etc. Never backwards only forwards. For instance a pet is in its last stage of reincarnation in the animal kingdom. It learns from its human owner how to be like him/her before reincarnating in the human kingdom. The thinking/mind capacity of a soul in the human realm is so overdeveloped that no brain in the animal realm can handle it. So it can't reincarnate backwards in realms. But it can reincarnate backwards or maybe even forwards in the time/space continuum in the human realm. Live this life then reincarnate in the era that jesus was still alive. A soul much above the human density can reincarnate elsewhere than its home planet if it wishes to help out. Some beings from other planets are here on the planet now. Its, I guess, a normal phenomena to some degree. Planets also reincarnate. The moon is the corpse of the last reincarnation of this planetary spirit Gaia. But is slowly dissappearing. Some advanced souls on the planet don't in a sense reincarnate, but become walk-ins as the new agers terms it (they didn't find it out) Anyway, there is a whole esoteric science behind this and I don't know a speck of it. Discard what does not resonate with you. This is my cousciousness that puzzled this together and your hearth knows best of what's truth for you. There is a law of confusion that's doesnt allow us to know all the playing cards of nature yet. So i'll leave and go walk my dog.

The death of my physical and mental body is not a belief. I know no human living for eternity. It's a matter of identification tho, God will always be God Whenether there is experience, or no experience. Let's say you're a person who does not believe in reincarnation, then you assume that this if your first time you are 'experiencing', and after this human life, there won't be experience ever again. No conscious object-subject relationship ever again. If you are a person who does believe in reincarnation, then u believe in the fact that you have been conscious previous to this life. But you cannot remember because you can only access the memory of your mind-body. How do you declare that people are being able to remember past lives? in detail, and corresponding with actual historic events. How does that memory come to you? This opens posssibility that you will have a next life, same karmic body, so same energetic body. Why do yogi's talk about extinguishing karma and enter mahasamadhi to end cycle of dead - rebirth? Is it shit on a stick? As I have no direct experience, reincarnation will remain a belief. I found this video about reincarnation from Sadhguru after making up my theory and it's scary how much his theory comfirms mine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlzXhiQa4mk

These are theoretical constructs. How "it works" is relative to the theoretical construct. Nothing wrong with that - constructs can be fun, interesting and useful. At the end of the day, the map is not the territory (yet map is territory). It ultimately collapses into ISness. Yet in a relative sense, we gotta do something. For some, creating constructs of reincarnation is a better use of time that watching TV.

but does reincarnation work like that?

@Leo Gura infinite intelligence said when our lives end we will merge back into God does this mean a physical death or the type of death achieved through liberation. Does that mean theres no such thing as reincarnation not sure what your view is on that.

The Egg is not a traditional view of reincarnation. According to The Egg, You are all the lives in the Universe. You are Kim Jon ung, Pewdiepie and Julen blanc. That was the whole point about how interacting with another person is interacting with Myself. You already are all people.

Hmmm. I thought about it a bit more. I think he deconstructs separate linear lives more fully than deconstructing a timeline. I think the key deconstructions later in the video are: 4:00 - Partial deconstruction of a timeline 4:40 - Deconstruction of separate human beings begins 5:40 - Deeper deconstruction of separate humans. A partial construct of time remains. I think it is a very well-done video. I would have further deconstructed the timeline. That is, You are everyone and all things Now. (including all that "has happened" or "will happen" - without a timeline). Yet this would collapse the concept of reincarnation, since there is no longer a "re".

When you die as a mind-body, What happens? Do you stop existing as form and become infinity and have no sense of being for infinity? Or will we reincarnate as form, until we extinguish karma and enter mahasamadhi? When you experience these scenarios of past lives in detail and they correspond to history, that makes you consider reincarnation does actually happen When you think about you dying as body-mind, does it not feel strange to you now? The fact that there will never be experience ever again? Before you do 5 meo, you realise that you’ll be back eventually.. but when you die, there is no coming back. Or is there?

A key to a deeper understanding of the video: reincarnation is not shown as simply linear.

That's a really nice video really touching One thing I'm wondering though, in that scenario what about animals/plants-life, is there reincarnation only on human forms ?

this video is ofc just a story. But it made me think. How does reincarnation work? does it work in similar way like in the video? @Leo Gura should make a video on this