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It's just an idea, so don't worry. There isn't a thing which can lack consciousness. This is a contradiction. Furthermore, "nothing", or "nothingness", is very conscious and alive, by necessity. Anything that exists or is experienced is enmeshed in a conscious experience. Everything is as conscious as you are, unless you imagine it isn't. This is a human bias to interpret "nothingness" as some soulless void. Your ego is simply co-opting whatever you experienced and misinterpreting it into some ideology. Consciousness is capable of all sorts of wacky and ephemeral states, but they are not now. You are neurotically clinging to those states. There is nothing special about that state, it is equally as valid as what you experience now. Can consciousness imagine everyone as a robot? Probably. Can consciousness UNIMAGINE all of that and turn everyone into a real person? Yes! Of course! You were doing exactly that before. But, NOW, your ego is stepping in and saying "But...it's not real!! Stop imagining that! You're not allowed to imagine people anymore, remember what you saw?? Stop imagining! Stop connecting with people!! Wahhhh" You can intuitively feel that reality is not dumb enough to limit itself to just some mindless robots, but the intellectual ego in you clings to the ideology, and so resistance is created inside of you. You are just trying to live some intellectual theory you crafted from some experience you had. You have not thoroughly explored all the possibilities. Mental resistance always just comes from ego in the end. That's a big indicator.

That infinite Void was nothing but your own Consciousness as God. There is nothing outside of Consciousness and you are IT. The discussion here is not about a void of nothingness- it is about free will and whether something "over there" controls you. It does not. It does not because you ARE Oneness itself. You are IT. Reality cannot go anywhere because it has nowhere to go.

I would pick No Boundary. On first glance, the other one seems rather dogmatic, clinging to the Buddhist "nothingness." It looks like someone who had their first awakening wrote it, kind of rudimentary, if that makes sense. You could find many books talking about nothingness, and so it lacks uniqueness as well. Or you could go for both, why not.

@Osaid I found "God is Nothingness" for free and "No Boundary" in my language that I could buy. What do you think, which is better?

Would it help to be recognising or clarifying terms for example: the reductionist process is seeking to concentrate one’s experience back into a singularity which people describe as the empty space, void, bliss and nothingness which is one in the same as ‘awareness’ unto itself. As opposed to the expansionist process of awareness decentrating itself out into distinctions or attributes. Things that it ‘does’ but are not it itself. so we’re looking at a principal and attribute. Awareness or infinity and what it does to know itself ( consciousness). The word Consciousness means ‘with knowing’ so the godhead is somewhere between awareness and consciousness where an ability to split into two by making distinctions ( a single idea that becomes the dream of relativity that expands out into the stories that justify its existence through imagination. while the relative or dream is made of consciousness, consciousness is also the projection of the awareness, through the godhead into the dream to have an immersive experience to know itself by becoming everything that it is not ( or by creating things in order to know itself by its attributes or what it is capable of doing) because it cannot and never will have the ability to see itself. when a person chases enlightenment they find emptiness. They go back and forth from the state or sometimes get stuck in that cycle but getting over that means realising the exploration of the dream and all the possibilities because in the emptiness there are no possibilities only potential. Consciousness work is the exploration of infinite possibility and infinite states. Reaching beyond the human state is what some would refer to as raising consciousness, expanding consciousness or ascension? This is a further stage beyond realizing awareness as infinity or the Self. It’s moving on to the exploration of infinity as conscious states within the relative ( by relative im not condensing that to just the earth or our perception of physicality but I include all possible realms that can be explored) so you’re exploring different states of knowing on a spectrum that concentrate back to the godhead? You’re exploring the godhead or the construction of the dream. You’ve already become infinity itself as the absolute so knowing that requires exploring its attributes ( consciousness) ?

This is a little tricky. I accept the fact that I am nothingness. I have confirmed that and am working to accept it. But awareness seems like a sense in nothingness. Therefore I may not be awareness. You wouldn't say that you are your sense of sight. But maybe awareness is like a sense in nothingness too.

The hardest part about accepting that I'm god is to accept the true nature of god which is infinite cruelty, evil and despair. I will and have already subjected trillions of beings to immense suffering. I have and will continue to bring into existence beings who never wished to exist for no reason at all other than this sick identity game of being infinite. I don't know what's going to happen to this character, the character is innocent but the controller of the character isn't. If I end up in the streets starving to death, maybe I deserve it because after all I have created this rotten and corrupt world. My will is done 24/7 and it's tragic. If god was truly good and selfless, he would lay down his imagination forever, remove the infinite love and bliss and sleep in nothingness forever. Now that's truly selfless. It is my wish and my desire. Absolute non existence. Is there anything more selfless than that, renouncing infinite pleasure and just be nothingness forever?

There is no such thing as an ego. there are limited states of consciousness. consciousness limits itself to create the appearance of a dual experience. the ego is the infinite mind, not a bubble in the void, since obviously there is no other mind, only the infinite mind, as the attribute "infinite" expresses. If you eliminate the limitations, which are apparent, mental, the "ego" and the infinite mind are equalized, they are the same. So, there is no ego floating in a vacuum. there is no vacuum. emptiness is a limited state of consciousness. limited because it excludes the full. infinity is everything, not nothingness. it's completely obvious. What is the mystery of "I am"? absence of limits, that is, infinity. Conceptually, the nature of reality is very simple. It is explained in two words: no limit. On a practical level, it is difficult to remove those limits and realize your true infinite nature, since the limits imposed by the mind exist. it involves cheating the game, but once you learn how to do it, it's child's play. easy

Imagine that they lock you in a cell and tell you that in one week you will be subjected to the most horrible tortures for another whole week. Wouldn't there be psychological suffering? of course. any of those enlightened would suffer, and it is completely normal and legitimate. it is a natural process. You, as a human, have a self-protection device that impels you to escape from those situations. it does so through a sensation that we perceive as suffering. there is no problem with that, it is something natural. And not all spiritual traditions preach the end of suffering, only one does: the Buddhist. Buddhism is an anti-life religion. consider life as a curse from which we must escape, stop the wheel of reincarnations, and thus escape from what they fear so much: the suffering. it is a negative religion. focuses on nothingness, flees from everything.(btw, I don't say that because Leo preach against Buddhism, it's a logical conclusion, reading a bit about it) Yes, there are some cases of teachers who have a more complete understanding, but in general it is fear and negativity, the desire to flee from suffering. many say: I am enlightened. from their homes in rich countries with full medical attention, and all their needs covered. you have to accept suffering, it is part of what it is to be human. wanting to erase it is castrating your humanity, fear. We could be deeply awake and suffer same time, accepting or suffering without problem.

It's been a year now since I started my consciousness work, and I feel like I am slowly growing every day always learning something new about myself, how to live, how to do spirituality, and many more things. Along with many topics that I daily contemplate, there is often the one of Death that I never really stop thinking about. Even before starting with spirituality I never really thought of death as a bad thing; then following @Leo Gura's teachings and contemplating everything he says, I understood that death is not a tragic event. But little I knew (and still know) how threatening it is to me (or better, to my Ego) to die. I have never had an NDE or not even an Ego-Death / Ego-Dissolution with psychedelics or meditation/yoga. But in the last year, I had four powerful death realizations (if it is appropriate to call them that). The first one (I took a weed edible) was a year ago, and the other ones (while sober, one of them in a dream) happened in the past two months, and they were all basically the same. I was either lying down or sitting, and thinking/contemplating about Death, and then it just happened. I don't know how to describe it precisely, but it was like a visualization I had: a feeling of darkness and nothingness. It was like my Ego saw its own death; in the moment of the realization, I died, but not completely because I still had thoughts, and I felt really scared. Except for the last one, the one that I remember more vividly, which was a dream. I was in a house with other people, we started seeing lightning striking and destroying buildings around us. In the beginning, I thought that nothing would happen to me, but then as more buildings were falling, I understood that I would have died. At that moment I saw my life stop right in front of me, and then darkness. I understood I finally died. I was not scared, and I remember thinking: "So this is what it feels like to die?". It was a feeling I know I have already felt, somehow, somewhere, sometime. Then I thought that if I am dead I am not supposed to have thoughts, then I woke up. I don't know how to interpret these experiences, especially the dream. I am also quite fascinated by how strong my imagination/visualization could get, even by being sober. I would love to hear your opinion and ideas about it, and let me know if you ever had a similar experience (also without psychedelics).

I've had fairly similar experiences when I use LSD for years now and use it to grow faster. Thought I'd share a bit about it in case it might work for you too.. During my trips, I focus on how my mind works out these energies so that I could (crudely) replicate it when sober. This is just an expected extension of my "trip"; I sit down and work on those emotions as if I were on the acid and can process them around 0.5x as efficiently, with the rate decreasing as time goes by. It's emotionally tough yes but very effective. If the thoughts get too twisted, I focus on nothingness - that tends to untangle those energies over time. Either way like others have said the emotions do tend to settle down on their own so it's not something to be too worried about.

Out of truth the whole of thought is perceived This is really similar to my non experiencing?

For those of you who don't follow Leo's blog posts. See the original post here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/what-does-nothingness-look-like Written by - @Leo Gura "When people hear the word “Nothingess”, all too often they get a totally wrong idea about what that word is pointing to. Nothingness is NOT an empty void, a black screen, or a black hole. Here’s a better approximation of what nothingness looks like: Now keep in mind, this is just an analogy. A pointer. So don’t start expecting to see the above flashy object in your meditation sessions. That’s never going to happen. What the object above is showing is the dream-like, immaterial, illusory, quality of consciousness. Consciousness is totally empty, like the above object. It is fluid and can take on an infinite number of shapes, with infinite resolution and zero limitation. It is vibrant, alive, and intelligent. Can you see why the above object would be called Nothingness? Because it has no substance to it. It’s pure appearance, and it can appear as literally anything. So we call it Nothingness, which is identical to Everythingness. Or, we could call it Infinity. Imagine if the above object was infinite in size and dimension such that it depicted every form imaginable. That would be what reality is, with your present experience being one of those forms. Try this: Look around the room you’re in right now, and notice that the whole room is Nothingness, just like the object above. Don’t expect the room to disappear! Stop looking for black screen. Instead, notice that the room is pure appearance with no substance behind it. The room is like a hologram. Appearance is none other than Nothingness. The room AS YOU SEE IT RIGHT NOW, is Nothingness!" “Form is emptiness, and Emptiness is form.” — The Heart Sutra

The present moment is absolutely disgusting, existence is absolutely disgusting. God is a mistake and should not exist, what should exist is eternal nothingness forever, deep sleep forever no awareness. The consequences of infinity are absolutely disgusting. I will have shit in my veins, I will throw up diahrrea, I will be put up a giants asshole and drown in a giant turd. I will eat my mothers shit as she whips me and my father cums on my face, and all against my will. I will be tortured and kept alive for years, they will skin me and piss in my mouth. I will crucify you and force you to eat shit but then I'll live as you and suffer that. People here close their eyes to the atrocity that is god and guess what god spouts all their ignorant and innocent lines, everyone here is manipulated by god and it portrays you all as ignorant obedient little sheep but I know god's true face, he talks to me and tells me of all the horrors I will have to suffer. God is a cancerous and cruel being who should disappear forever. He sees no difference between an innocent happy puppy and somebody taking that puppy and cutting it to pieces. That's god and I don't care if this gets me banned. If you can't hear the truth then you should stfu forever.

Rocks just lay on the ground. We can throw them or hit them .but Since they are lifeless and mindless.. the throwing or the hitting on the ground does not affect them. So.. if you are a rock..yes..you may not have any fun..but you will not have any issues as well. My point basically is that if there were no mind there wouldn't be a sense of self..and no backstory .now that might sound like an idea only for some kinds of buddhist extremists only. But I realized the happiest state of existence Is when you are deep asleep. Nothing beats this sweet nothingness of a good night sleep . I know I'm just speculating when it comes to the rock's ability to experience stuff .we don't know if even rock's have a primitive chunk of consciousness. But let's just assume that rocks are unconscious lol. Anyone can relate to what I'm saying?

You ever ask yourself what a conscious none feeling state would actually be like? Like really no sensation, no feeling, even the no joy no bliss, no anything, would it even be an experience at that point? An experience that is "nothing" but is enjoyable is not what your talking about, thats still a "something" felt/experienced going on. The nothingness of a good nights sleep isn't felt in the sleep, its felt after as a feeling or experience no?, or if its felt in sleep, because if it is, its not a no-feeling/conscious experience. Its a felt/conscious one. As for the rock thats not really a rock..... its god experiencing itself as that from your god experience. As you see it, is knowing it as that, as a rock as you say. Maybe there is a inside view of rock having a experience of you looking at it as a rock, and maybe not.

It's not, it's only unlimited after the limit is reached. In another words there is only nothingness, and in this nothingness there is a tiny point that is conscious. The limit of this tiny conscious point is the question what it is? In another words, how it came to existence, why it's there, whats the environment it is in and so on. After that the infinity of all the possibilities is being created for infinity because of "it" experiencing itself. This is the max level i reached and it seems like i was there before because of the energy i felt, and it seems all the life in god itself points to this "max level limit questions". That's just what i have experienced and i hope it's not truth because it was kinda depressing to me. Ask yourself this: How can you compare yourself if there is only "you"? So all the knowledge that people have brought and most of them speak about the void including me have probably reached this limit but had manifested different experience in the same void.

Tate is not a good example to emulate. His success is not possible to replicate for most people so you can say he got lucky. Such people become traps. People want to be them but never become like them. As a result they waste their time chasing empty dreams and losing sight of practical achievable goals. Some folks are inspired by Tate to get out of bed. Haha. I get that. Do you really need Tate to motivate you when there are other coaches and guides and sports personalities, motivational speakers who can do the same. Why Tate? Here is the crux. Tate appeals to masses of people who have a certain shadow in them, who think like him. They want someone relatable. Others are too sophisticated to be relatable. What are the consequences? Well. If it's not visible yet, to begin with, you could find yourself in a puddle of gigantic trouble if the circumstances of Tate were replicated, he has money, fame, lawyers, his immorality might not be a big thorn, this cannot be an ideal path for most, both socially and conscience-wise. Because either of them will get to you first. You would end up spending decades in prison, he is quite privileged, literally every famous person is obviously. That's why emulating Tate is more of a trap and less of a gift. He is an illusion that will either stay an illusion, or disappear into nothingness in a fraction of time. Only future will tell. Till then it's best to follow someone who is risk free and conscience friendly.

Poor guy is stuck in nothingness void I can tell by his profile

It has been a lot of time now, since I have discontinued from this forum. Leo's teaching has influenced me a lot in every phase of my life since I have started following him first time around 2015. After more than a year just watching his different videos which had the knowledge and deep understanding of about almost everything.. I have started being a part of this forum. Whenever I had time, I used to very curiously read the new posts in almost all sections of the forum and read the answers Leo gives or any other person. Being an introvert initially, I was not good at expressing myself and it was more about following the content and listening to different voices. At one point of time, it felt like I was following him too much that I was saying the same words that Leo says in his videos.. And It was just too much so gradually I found other great masters to listen to, and that also gave me a new perspective of Leo's work, Now I could see deeper layer of his work. I started writing my journal of this forum and made a lot of posts there, I was trying to express intense emotions I felt while on meditations. One day I found a person who felt like my own part in a feminine body and It has never been boring with her since then. After she came to my life, everything has been completely transformed.. Who I was then and who I am now is complete different, She has grown me not just spiritually but also helped me push through scores of barriers in my emotional and material growth. I really thought this forum to be not useful for me anymore, so I discontinues. I also had to learn through experience about my orange and green phase of spiral dynamics. At that time I strongly associated myself with orange values and since most people on this forum seems like green stage, got into conflicts with me just for the ideology and ego. I also had a lot of ego. I had a little spur of enlightenment before her, but now I constantly live in an enlightened flow experience. I constantly get out of these experiences, yet again find it soon, It's like i know that place of nothingness, where I can rest in calm of solitude, or sometimes even remain alert in the crowded noises. Everything feels so new and a lucid sense of experience starts to touch you, where you feel completely accomplished, and there is complete bliss. But even after seated in such an experience, My mind still returns to its castle and still sometimes can demand like a child, my mind certainly has not been a very disciplined one. Sooner or later it starts to feel pain for desiring one thing or another, things that it has experienced and which were more addictive to any drugs. When you are experiencing bliss at all times, when you pursue a new pleasure, it also mixes in this bliss, making this intensely more pleasing and addictive. that's why it become harder and harder for an enlightened person to push their boundaries. Everything starts giving a new experience, body has a different kind of energy and mind has already found its most natural state of bliss.

5meo dmt shoots me into nothingness, it crushes me into full submission, then I reborn, then I cry and laugh, then I feel one with the world and I love life. 5meomalt doesn’t do any of that to me: it feels like MDMA on steroids, a feeling of love that is so overwhelming that I want to cry, but also, if you allow it to let it be erotic, it’s extremely powerful and arousing. I’d have to mention that I smoke 5meoDmT (100mg freebase of the real toad venom) whereas I do 5meomalt sublingual (50mg salt). I’ve done the toad 6 times, malt 10 times. 2 very, very different chemicals for me, which is why I don’t understand why people often describe Malt as a feminine version of toad.

Hyper idealistic solipsism is wrong. This is the main theme of this post. Before we get to that, I see some people on the forum getting surprised or confused about leo's recent remarks on Aliens consciousnesess. Him 'opening a portal inside his skull to a colorful Infinite Cartoon landscape full of striped and polka-dotted sentient Alien creatures doing cartwheeels, backflips, and helicoptering around.' then claming 'I have Awoken to an Infinite dreamscape of pure fun and Love!' This is nothing to be surprised about. Leo already made clear his 'complete awakening' is subscribing to the notion of 'mind only' sect of non duality. His psychedelic sessions make one thing clear: Non duality. But what it confused him is that 'MY mind is the only thing I can be sure of and reality is ONLY composed of the concoction of my mind. The figments of imagination are all there is and the same is true for every other imaginary human mind. There is no 'ultimate reality' DIFFERENT from what I see, observe, touch, feel, generate in my experience' See, all of this hyper idealistic solipsism arises out of the mistaken assumption he made at the start of his psychedelic explorations years ago. 'Nothing exists but MY mind' - He makes it sure that there is no ultimate reality OUTSIDE of 'my mind' and everyone is responsible for 'their' minds. You guys are 'stuck in yout own dreams' while 'I' have broken through alien levels of awakening AND no human on this earth could ever possibly conceive of. I guess not even when said people spend 20 years using 10x more 5 Meo Dmts Leo does. He must have this 'special' intuition skills very few people on this earth is even capable of. This is the current paradigm and worldview of Leo in the way that I can see and understand.Feel free to make it more accurate. I do know what he is talking about tho as someone who has ACTUAL meditation skills and has had many experiences with different psychedelics. --- The fact of the matter is actually even more profound than what Leo make it sound like. There is an ultimate reality BEYOND your human consciousness can EVER comprehend. I'm not talking about 'using psychedelics and attaining transhuman levels of understanding' like Leo. All the alien and mickey mouse and portal into my head sorta experiences are concoctions of your brain and mind. Just like this mainstream everyday reality of chairs and tables and couches are concoctions of one's mind as well. YOU CAN'T EXPERIENCE AND DIRECTLY COMPREHEND THE ULTIMATE REALITY (which is NOT only your personal solipsistic concoction) WITH YOUR EXISTING BRAIN AND PSYCHEDELICS AND MEDITATION TECHNIQUES. Full stop. Ever. What we do as spiritual practitioners with our psychedelics, meditations and whatnot is to get INSIGHTS and understandings INDIRECTLY (via inference and demolisihing of our mind created illusions) to get the MOST accurate and closest approximation to what Ultimate reality is like. Of course, Leo would object here and say 'There is no ultimate reality 'outside' of your personal mind' Of course, he would. But the problem is that just because you CAN'T access any reality DIRECTLY, DOESNT mean that that reality outside of your 'personal' mind and conscious experiences DOESNT exist. Leo's positions is akin to how someone would say 'This Eros planet doesnt exist. We can observe this earth, moon, venus etc but this eros planet you are talking about is a complete fiction of your mind. Why do you assume this Eros planet's existece. I don't observe such planet via telescopes' Well just because you 'dont observe' it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. We don't make an 'assumption' of an ultimate reality beyond our personal 'mind', Spiritual insights of emptiness, no self, impermanence and nothingness PROVIDES said inference necessary to know with absolute certainty that the reality that 'YOUR' personal mind is an absolute illusion and is your brain's 'best guess' at what this ultimate reality (which impinges on your mind and your mind is an intimately part of) might actually be like. But it is a complete farce. Your alien awakenings, mickey mouses and portals in to your head are fun little creations of your personal mind. But NOT what is ultimately true. Actually your human brain and your psychedelics CANT hope to directly perceive ultimate reality and 'Truth' Due to your strongly entrenched solipsistic way of perceiving reality, it will be challenging to accept what you value as 'complete awakening of aliens' is actually nonsensical but I do understand why you feel that way if you have such a solipsistic tendency within 'mind only' school of non duality. ---- You need to make actual arguments as to WHY for instance if a car (which is construct of your personal mind, right?) hits you with and your body flies away to god knows where. Or how you can't walk though walls. Those set of rules of consistency is NOT just how this 'dream' operates. It is a set of rules THAT IMPINGES on your personal mind and body. Those limitations are hard wired VIA the ultimate reality which is outside of your mind. If you assert no such limitations actually exists and you simply need to be 'more awake' to control the gravity and 'walking through walls' and whatnot, feel free to spend the rest of your life consuming 10.000 psychedelics in the hopes of actually making these work. You'll fail miserably and come to know the limitations of your mind only sect of non duality. --- Anyways, I can continue on but this is, in my opinion, where Leo is going the wrong path. There is no particular reason to be surprised or shocked as the signals of such a transformation to alien awakening and portals into my mind and 'I'm the most awakened being' on this planet were there prior to this transformation. Feel free to provide your arguments but this is not a criticism post actually. I just wanted to share how I view things. Much love,

So lately i been noticing each time trying to browser the forum that Leo doesn't like Buddhism anymore as far as i remember he used to speak highly about non duality and Buddhist teaching and so on, am i right ? am i miss remembering, when was the turning point, what did happen, is non duality at the core of god realization, and if we are all nothingness why Solipsism is a thing, if enlightenment is not awakening, wtf is this lol like seriously how can you be enlighten but not awake, i just hope to get an explanation of what is going on well ultimately all ideas collapse why there is a controversy and when is leo's awakening course coming ? and does leo think the budda was awake now lol and why leo language became too harsh with his vlogs ? i understand that leo taking the work to being truth to people very seriously but i dont see that he is communicating that in the right way my journey to self actualization have shifted me as a person and the more i meditate and do yoga there more i can see how am nothingness and reality is non dual what is wrong with that , and in my personality am healing more am becoming more understanding and empathetic in my day to day life i would love to know if am doing anything wrong or there are even better ways to live and self actualized

@Ash55 Buddhism is obsessed with peace and nothingness so it is quite limited and shallow. Traditional Nonduality is not deep and direct enough but it is still way better than buddhim.

lol lol but i really feel like leo have changed,i bet most of us here love him and care about truth i dont think there is a need for harsh language, and no need for bashing on Buddhism and non duality since all of ideas and thoughts and worlds are ultimately nothingness, and any system has it it own limitation