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Martin W. Ball says that our ego is a set of energetic constructs, and seeking out an energetic solution is an effective way to address the problems posed by the ego. He prefers to use the word entheogen over psychedelic. An entheogen is a substance that generates the experience of god within. Fundamentally, they alter our ability to perceive and experience energy. Powerful entheogenic experiences aren't "enlightened" or "awakened" states in of themselves, rather, they're best understood as energetic expansions. Different religions, customs, rituals, and techniques have been used throughout human history to reach these heightened states of consciousness. While they may be useful in some respects, they can also be rendered obsolete when the proper understanding of the bio-energetics of the human body are taken into account. Entheogens cut past the middle-man and are vastly more effective for moving energy because they go cut directly to the source: the energetic constructs of your body. "Enlightenment," as he puts it, is the relaxing of your ego and the opening up of your energy, along with taking full responsibility for yourself and your ego. Entheogens are a very effective way of going about this, but this practice also extends into your day to day life. Integration of the experience with everyday life becomes possible when you are liberated from the prison of the ego and you've awoken to the energetic truth of reality. Just my two cents.

Probably you can plant them with great videos from actualized.org and hope that the people watching gets awakened.

this is my second language, so I I won't go deep cause I have shit to do, man faces criminal charges, but then again your ex president too so I can't be too harsh on one confused mom. listen to Leo on this! namaste! and no, just no, kids don't do opposite of what are told, where do you get all this bullshit? go read Leo's apology right now, he's most awakened person on planet and he let US politics/media to rot his brain, I'm off to listen to talyor swift! namaste vol.2!

Studying this book and following the work of Chris Bale Awakened Intent podcast is helping me to navigate on this waters a lot.

In many of Leo's videos he seems to suggest doing psychedelics hundreds of times. So maybe 52 times a year or less with 52 weeks in a year. But we are all pretty busy so maybe 3 times a month which is 26 times a year or less with 12 months in a year. I suppose the expectation is we may pursue our truth and abandon our career or change careers or abandon our relationship or find a new relationship. I suppose I am clinging to the idea of keeping my job and my relationship but somehow also becoming awakened. I am referring to 5 Meo DMT which I believe can be plugged. Thank you for all your responses.

Mostly using intellect. intellectual awakening..is taking one of the many forms of cognition ..namely reason..and elevating it above everything else.. using it to reach truths of reality by oneself.. or..being intellectually awakened to truths of reality through your very own logical capabilities.. which is possible. You don't need profound degrees of awakening to understand that God doesn't give a fuck if you have sex with a goat or if you murder someone for no reason.

The sober state is not special. But it is your default, baseline way of being conscious so you gotta take it seriously because it makes up the majority of your life. Sort of like how a planet has a default orbit which can change but in practice doesn't change much. Yes, that does happen. But your memory is tied with your state of consciousness. So really it's the state that makes all the difference. Your memory and understanding is deeply tied to your state of consciousness. The highest understanding is so deep that it cannot be held in memory, it needs to be part of your current state of consciousness. You can retain some understanding, but understanding cannot substitute for an Awakened state of consciousness. There is no substitute for state of consciousness. As an example, you have a very good understanding of what sex is, but that will never be the same as being in the middle of sex. And you can't be in the middle of sex all the time.

"I have awakened now I no longer need to sleep as much because my body and mind is more efficient" Nooooop does not apply to you, we are talking long term, short term you can survive with 0 sleep. People that can go long term in extremes like this have genetic super powers, they also always age badly. Counter-intuitive. It depends on what state your in, if the issue is "energized" that means the central nervous system is stuck in a excitatory state and cant sleep. The end result is you cant feel tired, its the opposite problem. Because of this what happens is the body keeps pushing it self until it fails like a car running on max speed with no rest for years. Ya your stuck in a excitatory state. I was like that to for years. It comes to a really bad ending. That's what stage 1 adrenal fatigue is, its the opposite of what your thinking fatigue looks like. Not being able to feel tired and rest is bad, cant you see that? If you drank non-stop coffee all day and report "i feel more energy then ever", is that a indication of progress? Its a indication of supressing the feeling of fatigue until it builds up and shows it self in different ways. How it will show it self is not by suddenly being tired, it does so by slowly feeling really really bad with headaches, organ issue, premature aging, digestive issues, and you still wont feel tired. What happends is youll trade your youth. Its a trade off, not sleeping does not come for free, something is being exchanged for it.

I love that question. My thoughts on it: Well everything that manifests itself, manifests itself from opposites. Warm as the opposite of cold, strength as the opposite of weakness and life as the opposite of death. What you are basically asking is, "can there be black without white?" I think that question comes because language only captures framents of reality and not the whole. You can speak of parts of reality which make them see like independents fragments but actually they can't be splitted at all. Because black exists only in contrast of black and therefore implements it. So when you make that sentence more holistic you could say "can there be that (black) that arises from its opposite without its opposite?" Now that sentence seems foolish. The absolute nature of god is of course immortality. So a god awakened person knows about his immortality. But no ego can become immortal. Although deception is absolute truth. So an ego could deceive itself to be immortal and be absolutely right about that in a relative sense but not in an objective sense.

Don't take the trip and the messege you get too seriously. If you feel like you have awakened and Awakening = more suffering you haven't actually Awoken. Just because you experience something doesn't mean you are it. If you have a bad trip observe you resisting it and trying to make it go away. It's okey to not be able to let go, it's a part of the process.

Today at the park lmao a little girl said to her father "its to hooooot" with a whining tone of voice and if she was awakened she would of said "why did god create this hot day to make me suffer its so unfaiiiiiiiir" with a whining tone of voice.

I wish I had known from start that the awakened state is for most people not permanent and that I'm back to normal the day after so that I don't have to think that I'm stuck while tripping. Another thing is being clear about ones Intention. If you want to get insights then that should make the intention to do so. Also as safety protokol: perpare enough food and drink for 12 hours or how long it should last so you don't have to worry or make the effort to prepare food while trippin hard.

If I was his manager and I actually wanted to do this, it would look something like: Play to the algorithm: We need to turn Actualized.org into a content machine!, shorter videos (30 minutes max.), always talk about the latest news and buzz, collaborations with as many people in adjacent spaces as possible... Drop all the controversy: The last thing we want to do is hurt anyones ego, so no more talk about self-deception, insanity, being the most awakened being... Appeal to the elites: Spaces we want to appeal to are: LGBTQ+, climate activists, emerging tech think tanks, psychedelic capitalists, post capitalists, peak performance geeks, wellness nerds; we want to understand their agenda as clearly as possible and start becoming a mouthpiece for them -- ultimately we want to appeal to powerful elitist organisations like the World Economic Forum, the UN, the Democrat Party... Build momentum: We need to write books and get publishing deals; interviews with popular personalities like Sadhguru, Lex Fridman, Tony Robbins, etc.; psychedelics are a huge opportunity and we have to make sure we get lawmakers on our side and become first movers, once decriminalization/legalisation happens... This is obviously rather crude, but if we would keep testing and iterating over years with this one goal in mind, I am 100% certain we would turn Actualized.org into a Billion $$$ brand.

Tate has awakened to a new level of narcissism: Alien Narcissism.

I've had glimpses before. But they were mostly like five seconds at most. This was the real deal. This Saturday evening I decided to go to the beach by train (which is like one stop away from me), smoke a joint, take a walk and do some inquiry, or even just to relax a bit. Whatever, I had nothing big planned at all. I do this almost every other week but this time things were different. What I noticed is that an unusual amount of fear surfaced. It was a warm day so there were still lots of people around which triggered some fears in me. It felt like everyone was looking at me, judging me... You know the usual, which I thought I had resolved already. Not at all. It became so intense and my ego started fighting it more and more. I had not expected this so after awhile I decided to turn around to return to my train and get home. By this time the fears had grown into thoughts of going insane, of fainting, of losing control. So I started to walk faster and faster until I reached my train. I sat down, totally panicked, but I'm pretty good with keeping these things to myself so I don't think anyone could really notice. Maybe because I was sitting comfortably that I was able to face these fears now. But I looked at these feelings and found out what they were. It occurred to me that they were like waterbubbles trying to pull you away from the water. I don't know why this is the analogy I went with, but that's exactly what it felt like. Remember I smoked a joint, so things got very conceptual. Anyways, fears kept rising up but I wasn't really afraid of them anymore. I saw that they were made of this same 'water.' Which made it all very clear to me. And then it happened. The last thought I remember that arose before it happened was 'I AM ALL OF IT!' Boom, awakening... I don't know why it happened at this moment. But it just happened. I saw reality. And it felt like I've seen it a million times before. It was there for all of my life. I saw a train moving and there were some people in it. I was in it. Sounds were literally just sounds. Utterly complex sounds but just sounds nonetheless. It was so serene and empty. Words aren't able to describe it but it's literally just 'life happening'. That's the reason why it's so familiar. Cause that's what it has always done. It's also a lot more 'normal' than I had imagined it to be. Then for a moment, thought would interfere and I got scared shitless. I decided to return to the egoic state... Which is pretty insane to think about. I literally created a new fear so I had something to hold on to. But no, this awakening had to happen today. And so it returned. And this is when the awakening became permanent. At least for the next seven hours. My train had reached it's destination and I got out. Huge smile on my face. No thought. Just walking. Walking towards my home. (I live very close to the trainstation.) Then thought returned, going completely bonkers about the amazing thing 'it's' experiencing, but this time they were no longer mine. I witnessed them. Even the identification I still had with thought, was witnessed. So it was all good. And the first thing I noticed, is whatever thought arose, a feeling came with it. And this feeling INSTANTLY healed as I looked at it. And this was the great miracle. Everything I witnessed, healed. Now I'm not sure if this includes the external world (as it all felt as one), but at least all feelings, all thought, all ego was healed if only I would take the time to simply look at them. Awareness truly is curative! In the most literal sense. It made me really understand why Awareness is referred to as God. Back home, I started to investigate what was happening. The recurring thoughts were; 'It was already so. It was already so. My god, it was already so.' I started to write in my journal. All very short sentences, kind of like riddles. It's in dutch, but I might translate it one day and share it with you because some beautiful words were written, if I say so myself. One of the biggest insights I had was finally understanding the 'hidden in plain sight' part of spirituality. And when I did, I laughed out loud. It basically comes down to the following question: Do you see reality? Yes Well, that's it. Reality is it. Everyone would answer yes to this question right? That 'yes', is enlightenment. Because it has always been yes. Awakening is merely realising that. Really, read that again. It's so simple and dumb yet it points to the ultimate truth. It's just an oversight. The seeing of reality, is the thing you are looking for. But you were already doing that! Of course you are. From the awakened point of view it's all so damn simple. You just witness reality. No further questions. And then you realise, that even though there's nothing there. There is life. OH MY GOD, THERE IS LIFE. Do you see why it's such a miracle? There shouldn't be life, because there's nothing there. Yet there is life all the same. Haha, it's so hard to explain this. But I completely lost it, when I realised that. And then at one point, ego panicked. And this was a profound moment. Because I was no longer identified with it. So it wasn't me that was panicking. If someone would have walked in at that moment they would've thought I was depressed or gone insane. And 'I' was. But behind it all, there was laughter and peace. Ego was thinking 'I want to go back,' 'what would my friends think of me like this,' 'what if this is forever? 'I'll never be able to function properly again.' And so on, and so on. It was just patterns playing itself out. And as said, every thought came with a feeling that was being felt completely and therefor it healed. After a couple of hours, more and more the thought; 'Do I still have it?' came up. It was quite the paradox since from Awareness' point of view, there is nothing to lose. So the funny thing was, I was completely convinced this would never leave me again. I was enlightened. And then sleep came. And I wasn't. It was ego waking up Identified as it's little self again. Which is fine. This entire experience was a complete shift in paradigm all the same. I don't feel different at all. But now I know. Now I know there's nothing to search for. It is already so. Even now that I'm identified with the separate self again, there is this knowing. A trust. Trust that whatever arises, is seen by 'that'. Even now. The next couple of days, there was a lot of energy released in my body. It was everything that was looked at during the awakening. It was that powerful. Kundalini I guess? I don't know a lot about that, so I'm mostly guessing. Doesn't really matter too much anyway. Looking back at this, there were a couple of things that really stood out to me. First of all. No bliss. Not at all. Absolute peace, yes. But no bliss. And the funny thing is, back then, I couldn't care less. When I say peace. It doesn't mean peace in the positive sense of the word. It just means nothingness, emptiness. From ego's point of view, it's quite a 'cold' peace. That's why ego doesn't really like it. It's so empty, it has no qualities. The other thing that stood out was how much of a role ego still plays even when realised. That really took me by surprise, I always had this idea of a full awakening from ego. Which you do, but at the same time, it doesn't mean it disappears even in the slightest. Even addictions were still there. I guess that's the reason it didn't stay permanently. There is just too much of a pull from ego. I didn't care at the moment, but after seven hours or so, it succeeded. (Or so, it thinks ) So, yeah. I guess that's a real lesson for anyone here. Be prepared for that! I wasn't. You don't want this. It's the only reason you don't have it. You don't really want it. That's a hard pill to swallow. But it's true. It's worth it all the same though. My god, the fear! There's so much fear! It really showed me how much work there is still to be done. The good news though, I now know awareness heals. Not by believing it. But by having witnessed it myself. This is the shift. It's like this awakening has showed me the disease and the cure simultaneously. Really profound. Isn't it amazing that my first proper awakening happened in a train that dropped me off at the 'next' stop. And that next stop turned out to be home. I try not to attach too much value onto symbolism like that, but man... It's beautiful, isn't it? Thanks for reading this. English isn't my first language so I hope it's easy to read! I wasn't planning to share this, but here we are. So much words, and I'm not even a talker. An introvert even. Go figure. Feels like I can talk about this forever!

Leo could make millions by putting honey into our mouth and tell us the same buddhist bullshit we hear everywhere else. I'm glad that he offers us a different perspective, and I think his posts are very funny. You want to awaken, yet you feel offended by being called a rat? He is fulfilling his purpose by making us think and dig deeper. I had a very strong feeling that there is something wrong with all the nondualists in the field and that they are not enlightened at all. I personally like Leos new style, he could just post more videos like that haha. Why do you even take this stuff personally? He is just joking and using his kind of humor to point to the truth that most people, who think are awakened, truly aren't. That is great. If that triggers you, guess what that means? It means you are not awake.

Intuition isn’t about emotions strictly. Intuition is an inner wisdom and implicit understanding of something. Emotions can misguide us. But intuition doesn’t do that. You can tell intuition from biases because biases are automatic feelings and thoughts, whereas intuition is about a deeper understanding beyond reasoning and evidence. Think of it like feelings < logic < intuition (or what I like to call super-logic). Leo made a video on counter-intuition. But he really should’ve titled it counter-logical. Because in that video he said things go against how you think and feel. But he didn’t mention anything going against implicit understanding, which is what intuition is in my view. I can sense patterns I haven’t tested before and can understand them. Like how there are infinite states of consciousness. I mean think about it. Leo has his insights through intuition. Intuition is an insight. But insights into the implicit like awakening cannot be explicated. Leo hasn’t travel through all the states of consciousness. Leo hasn’t awakened through all states of consciousness. Leo may have “awoken” relative to a current state of consciousness and is asleep relative to a higher level. This is the spiritual game you can intuitively sense being played even without conscious reasoning. You can believe you reached the highest level of consciousness, but you haven’t. Everyone in the world thinks their level of consciousness is the highest one. Spirituality has taught me that there is no such thing as absolute awakening or enlightenment. Well, technically there is, it is called death. I don’t mean death of an ego while still breathing. I mean DEATH - the return to the emptiness from which you were created from.

Below are some example clips from different channeled transmissions by and answers to people's questions for Bashar, an ET entity who has been in contact with earth through the trance channel 'Darryl Anka' for the nearly 40 years. About 15 years or so ago, many of Bashar's channeling sessions could be found all over Youtube and the internet, but were later taken down (by the organisation around Bashar). Currently there are still some YT channels, like these, that are (illegaly) posting clips from the many interesting sessions throughout the last couple of decades, which can all be purchased at the official https://www.basharstore.com For anyone who is interested in a truly Extra Terrestrial, a bit more advanced and higher dimensional perspective on the nature of reality and co-creation in existence, I highly recommend diving deeper into the spiritual inspiration, crystal clear, often humorous communication and all the expansive information Bashar has offered humanity to explore. One topic that has throughout the years been discussed is the increasing parallel reality probability of us as humanity uniting and collectively, in our state of being, naturally resonating towards the experience of more and more physical open contact with galactic beings of different races. As a 'first contact specialist' himself, Bashar has for example explained in great detail what protocols and stages are involved in the whole process from the moment they first become in some way aware of a new world, planet or species and the approach they then have. (for more information about these first contact protocols you can search for a transmission called: 'The protocols of first contact') Among many others, Bashar's civilisation, the E'ssassani are guiding us in our own empowerment, inviting us to spiritually mature so that we may expand to a broader perspective, more deeply understanding who we are as spirit, and focused here in this time-space framework now naturally becoming as 'homo galacticus'. And if we as one humanity so decide we may join in their federation of worlds and continue our story amongst the stars. Darryl Anka himself, in addition to channeling Bashar all this time is a film maker who has created some cool movies: https://darrylanka.com/about-the-films ('Dearly Departed', 'Alienated' and 'First Contact' in 2016) This is the documentary 'First Contact', the true story of Darryl and Bashar, about the topic of channeling and the near future of humanity coming in contact with Extra Terrestrial intelligence. The specific sharp attitude, humor, style of interacting and communication Bashar chooses to engage us with is for some people perhaps not that interesting, but for others quite exciting and catalysing their spiritual evolution. But he also sometimes jokes about our petty stories when it is much needed: Below are just some examples of the topics that are discussed with Bashar, ranging from quite technically advanced descriptions of the nature of reality, imagination and consciousness, to the illusion, the dream of time and space, love, creativity etc, similar to what many awakened teachers, such as Leo are addressing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBJymquKwQ

True, not only for people who haven't naturally awakened, but moreso for those who have. I've found that even when the ego is clearly seen for what it is, intentionally attempting to deconstruct it is sabotaging. You can't bootstrap yourself into oblivion. The most difficult obstacle I've encountered is my will. If I believe something to be true, I deeply try to align my life with it. It's stunning how insidious the ego is. It will turn even the purest intentions into a self-sustaining hell. I've learned the grace of surrender. It takes a higher power to pass through the inner gate. It's all god, but dissolving the ego requires unlimited god, loving the essence of itself still entrapped within a form. No matter how realized you are, you can't break free from the illusion while still within it.

Hyper idealistic solipsism is wrong. This is the main theme of this post. Before we get to that, I see some people on the forum getting surprised or confused about leo's recent remarks on Aliens consciousnesess. Him 'opening a portal inside his skull to a colorful Infinite Cartoon landscape full of striped and polka-dotted sentient Alien creatures doing cartwheeels, backflips, and helicoptering around.' then claming 'I have Awoken to an Infinite dreamscape of pure fun and Love!' This is nothing to be surprised about. Leo already made clear his 'complete awakening' is subscribing to the notion of 'mind only' sect of non duality. His psychedelic sessions make one thing clear: Non duality. But what it confused him is that 'MY mind is the only thing I can be sure of and reality is ONLY composed of the concoction of my mind. The figments of imagination are all there is and the same is true for every other imaginary human mind. There is no 'ultimate reality' DIFFERENT from what I see, observe, touch, feel, generate in my experience' See, all of this hyper idealistic solipsism arises out of the mistaken assumption he made at the start of his psychedelic explorations years ago. 'Nothing exists but MY mind' - He makes it sure that there is no ultimate reality OUTSIDE of 'my mind' and everyone is responsible for 'their' minds. You guys are 'stuck in yout own dreams' while 'I' have broken through alien levels of awakening AND no human on this earth could ever possibly conceive of. I guess not even when said people spend 20 years using 10x more 5 Meo Dmts Leo does. He must have this 'special' intuition skills very few people on this earth is even capable of. This is the current paradigm and worldview of Leo in the way that I can see and understand.Feel free to make it more accurate. I do know what he is talking about tho as someone who has ACTUAL meditation skills and has had many experiences with different psychedelics. --- The fact of the matter is actually even more profound than what Leo make it sound like. There is an ultimate reality BEYOND your human consciousness can EVER comprehend. I'm not talking about 'using psychedelics and attaining transhuman levels of understanding' like Leo. All the alien and mickey mouse and portal into my head sorta experiences are concoctions of your brain and mind. Just like this mainstream everyday reality of chairs and tables and couches are concoctions of one's mind as well. YOU CAN'T EXPERIENCE AND DIRECTLY COMPREHEND THE ULTIMATE REALITY (which is NOT only your personal solipsistic concoction) WITH YOUR EXISTING BRAIN AND PSYCHEDELICS AND MEDITATION TECHNIQUES. Full stop. Ever. What we do as spiritual practitioners with our psychedelics, meditations and whatnot is to get INSIGHTS and understandings INDIRECTLY (via inference and demolisihing of our mind created illusions) to get the MOST accurate and closest approximation to what Ultimate reality is like. Of course, Leo would object here and say 'There is no ultimate reality 'outside' of your personal mind' Of course, he would. But the problem is that just because you CAN'T access any reality DIRECTLY, DOESNT mean that that reality outside of your 'personal' mind and conscious experiences DOESNT exist. Leo's positions is akin to how someone would say 'This Eros planet doesnt exist. We can observe this earth, moon, venus etc but this eros planet you are talking about is a complete fiction of your mind. Why do you assume this Eros planet's existece. I don't observe such planet via telescopes' Well just because you 'dont observe' it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. We don't make an 'assumption' of an ultimate reality beyond our personal 'mind', Spiritual insights of emptiness, no self, impermanence and nothingness PROVIDES said inference necessary to know with absolute certainty that the reality that 'YOUR' personal mind is an absolute illusion and is your brain's 'best guess' at what this ultimate reality (which impinges on your mind and your mind is an intimately part of) might actually be like. But it is a complete farce. Your alien awakenings, mickey mouses and portals in to your head are fun little creations of your personal mind. But NOT what is ultimately true. Actually your human brain and your psychedelics CANT hope to directly perceive ultimate reality and 'Truth' Due to your strongly entrenched solipsistic way of perceiving reality, it will be challenging to accept what you value as 'complete awakening of aliens' is actually nonsensical but I do understand why you feel that way if you have such a solipsistic tendency within 'mind only' school of non duality. ---- You need to make actual arguments as to WHY for instance if a car (which is construct of your personal mind, right?) hits you with and your body flies away to god knows where. Or how you can't walk though walls. Those set of rules of consistency is NOT just how this 'dream' operates. It is a set of rules THAT IMPINGES on your personal mind and body. Those limitations are hard wired VIA the ultimate reality which is outside of your mind. If you assert no such limitations actually exists and you simply need to be 'more awake' to control the gravity and 'walking through walls' and whatnot, feel free to spend the rest of your life consuming 10.000 psychedelics in the hopes of actually making these work. You'll fail miserably and come to know the limitations of your mind only sect of non duality. --- Anyways, I can continue on but this is, in my opinion, where Leo is going the wrong path. There is no particular reason to be surprised or shocked as the signals of such a transformation to alien awakening and portals into my mind and 'I'm the most awakened being' on this planet were there prior to this transformation. Feel free to provide your arguments but this is not a criticism post actually. I just wanted to share how I view things. Much love,

@Leo Gura, as you are now awakened to these extraordinary states of consciousness, how are you now able to cope with life as a Leo and keep up with your life’s purpose? Cause here in this work we make this balance of GOD Realisation and Self actualization! Also how deep do you think this rabbit hole gos? Ive some awakenings where at the end of it I see a something new waiting for me even after having these realisations.

This reminds me of your god-forsaken solipsism video..you literally said that you don't have conscious experience of your own and that I'm imagining you teaching me solipsism. I was really convinced about that back then and I made a (not well thought out ) thread here that I've awakened to solipsism. Now that I think about it ..I don't find any compelling evidence that solipsism is true . It just seems true because it seems like my bubble of consciousness is all there is . But at the same time ..I'm not able to imagine a million bucks into existence. So I'm not sure . I prefer to remain skeptical until I'm more certain.

Spiritual rats are very entertaining. GOD thanks you for providing the AWAKENED with entertainment.

It is being, free from the delusion of doing. Absolute reality is changeless, timeless, and effortless. The awakened sages call a person wise when all his undertakings are free from anxiety about results; all his selfish desires have been consumed in the fire of knowledge. The wise, ever satisfied, have abandoned all external supports. Their security is unaffected by the results of their action; even while acting, they really do nothing at all. - Bhagavad Gita 4:19-20

When you have a nightly dream when you sleep, you can realize that it is a dream. It does not matter what technique you will use inside the dream, your dream character can meditate for x years or can take a psychedelic inside the dream, and then the dream character realizes that it is a dream. So he AWAKENS, and the dream becomes lucid. But then the awakened character can fall back into the dream and he can still experience fear and suffering, and he can be mean to others in a dream. So this analogy clearly shows that you can Awaken and then still have sufferings and meanness. Abiding in awakening is far different than direct realization that the dream is the dream dreamed by you.