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False. You just aren't educated on the case history. The earliest alien spacecraft was recovered in Europe.

@Sugarcoat Yes its what I mean. I don't know what it is either but its guaranteed lesser than God. If you had the opportunity to see alien consciousness or God always go God.

I don’t know what alien consciousness is but for me non duality is still the most radical. That is what you mean by “god” right

@Sugarcoat Alien consciousness is lesser than God. Its not as cool. Every different animal has alien consciousness.

Alien consciousness?

@Joshe This strongly described me back in my teen years. I held a really strong contrarian way of being because self-differentiation had been one of my more effective strategies to (on the positive side) embrace my weirdness and cope with feelings of alienation. As a child, I really felt like an alien trying to figure out how to pass as a human... and constantly failing at it and being ridiculed for failing at it. And embracing my differences and leaning into them heavily was the only thing that ended up working. And as a teenager, I really found my place with people who appreciated my weirdness. So, I started feeling like extraordinariness and divergence was an unquestioned good. And there was a strong judgment towards those who are mainstream... because it was more comfortable to feel like I was rejecting the mainstream... instead of the mainstream rejecting me. And what arose from this was a very strong fear of being ordinary and blending in with the crowd, which manifested in increased fears of aging and becoming more average. And when I felt average, averageness didn't feel like I was enough. It reminded me of trying to conform to normalcy as a child and failing. Then, in my 20s, I really started to recognize the shadowier side of contrarian thinking especially when people were against good popular things (like the ice bucket challenge for ALS)... and I soured on empty contrarianism. Yet, I still felt this underlying sense of differentiation based off of "not being the type that falls into empty contrarianism nor the type that falls into patterns of conformity." The tendency to slice myself away from the crowd was still there, but I had just started to see empty contrarians as "a part of the crowd that doesn't even know they're part of the crowd." But in my recognition of this, there was a pride in being different and not falling into patterns that so many people fall into. So, these Shadow patterns have a way of becoming sneakier and more subtle as you grow and mature. So, I was still looking to differentiate and separate myself. I had just dropped the more overt symptom of reflexive contrarianism because I saw the "ordinary human foolishness" in it. So, I was still carving myself out from everything else and seeing myself as separate and differentiated from the world. But in one of my Ayahuasca ceremonies, it brought me back and forth between two states. One was my usual polarization into extraordinariness to the exclusion of ordinariness... and it was showing me how disconnected I was from everything. And it really emphasized how cut off it was making me. Then, it re-integrated me with ordinariness, and I felt so deeply intertwined with humanity, nature, and the universe at large because I saw the sameness in myself to all other elements of the universe. I was not distinct from anyone or anything at the core. And all this existential pressure was removed from me. And it brought me back and forth between the state of polarization into extraordinariness and the state of integration with ordinariness. And ordinariness was always a huge fear. But in this, it was everything I'd ever wanted to feel and the entire reason I was trying to differentiate myself in the first place. But of course, these coping patterns run deep. So, even in my realization of the value of ordinariness, I can use that as a means to differentiate myself because "Look how uniquely wise I am to understand this when most people don't."

Thank you for taking the time to share some thoughts. This idea is still half baked so bare with me. They both exist to some extent. I believe the term "transcend and include" was popularized by Ken Wilber - a hugely influential writer in most english speaking spiritual contexts. Transcendence is exciting, mysterious, illuminating, confusing, and easy to spike emotions. It is often communicated as a panacea that you just quite haven't glimpsed yet. Just sit more, or go on more retreats, or buy my course. Memes spread faster and are stickier when it is presented in this framing. Thus it is common. This also means courses sell better in this framing and vulnerable people are easier to manipulate. Economic incentives perpetuate this framing as well. Moloch and marketing. Communicating to hurt souls that they must go through their own internal and external complexity (relationships, traumas, ambitions, sadness, anger, prides, joys, enlightenments) in a unique and personal way specific to them that no paint by numbers approach can facilitate doesn't sell and doesn't spread. This is however mostly true. Most of which enlightenment doesn't solve. After enlightenment the laundry or in our case the breaching of planetary boundaries, collapse of civilization, and destruction of all life on Earth. (I love you Leo no shade <3 just trying to make a point with a shared reference) Why has Leo reached "Alien conciousness" yet still talks down to his viewers and struggles to show even moderate levels of Love? Because in spite of his transcendence he has a lack of inclusion or integration. Why are we always talking about stages of development and (even though it is occasionally mentioned) never talk about what it means to include fundamental stages or what integration even looks like? Love, compassion, and depth are all ripened during inclusion and integration. These are the qualities that touch others hearts. Almost no one is moved to tears by your stories of how its all nothingness and god. They are moved by the way you listen when they need a shoulder. They are moved by an act of kindness when there is nothing to gain. These things are not cultivated in transcendence but rather inclusion (transcendence is necessary not trying to downplay its value) and yet are what a human life is about. When we strive for "higher" states of consciousness we forego reality. We want a delusion in our head, not the sacred reality that is our face. Who wants to cry for an hour about their childhood, or have depression or depersonalization for 2 years? No one, yet that is what life may call for us. This all can be part of a deepening process if integrated and included into our beings. If I bring Love to my darkest moments, then I can Love anything. Thank you for adding your perspective and sharing your time. <3 Spirituality is about reality and what is true. Transcendence and humanity are true at the same time. Relegating humanity to something lower or simply survival misses the point. Ultimately it is a dialectic to be resolved. God and humanity are one. God and survival are one. A human life although deeply moved by survival is so much richer than that. We are tasked with bringing as much of God into our human life as we can. Continually growing that capacity. It means how can we deepen our Love? How can we deepen our Wisdom? How can we deepen our compassion and understanding? How can we heal our trauma? How can we communicate more lovingly in an argument? How can we make sure our sister feels seen when she is sharing something vulnerable? Practical things that require so much inclusion and integration. Thank you for sharing! This is a point of view that I sympathize with because it makes so much sense to me. Unfortunately, I don't think it always lives up to its logic. We so often (not always) see those with seemingly enlightened states abuse their power, struggle to show compassion/Love, and be distant. You are right to point this out. It most certainly does not contradict and I apologize if I notioned in that direction. I believe they have some kind of dialectical relationship. If you have no new experiences, you have nothing to integrate. If you only have new experiences and no integration you are hollow/shallow. Integration/inclusion is so much deeper and richer than letting go of fear. But most people wouldn't know this since integration and inclusion never gets spoken about. Thank you for sharing this PurpleTree! This is certainly a trap in spirituality. To truly see reality you can't be looking elsewhere. But this is not what I am speaking of. Integration and inclusion is more than self help, self healing, or solving issues. It is about deepening your soul. If transcendence brings you up, integration grounds you. two sides of the same coin. Never heard of this! Sounds interesting! However, it does seem like another genuine but misguided reductionism of reality. to reduce spirituality to just trauma healing or to just vipassana or to just zazen is a similar reductionist mistake that scientists make when they reduce reality to just atoms. The human complex is so varied, personal, and mysterious. To grow takes everything. Preach my brother! Reality is everything in every direction. Just integrating/including the Love you shared in conversation with your mother is some of the most beautiful spiritual work you can do.

Well, hello there - long time no see. It was a mix of Nietzsche and French poststructuralists like Foucault and Deleuze. My fundamental critique of grand evolutionary narratives is that their teleology is ultimately self-serving, culturally contingent, and driven by passive forces like nihilism and ressentiment. That probably just makes me a vulgar postmodernist, so I doubt you’ll have much luck converting me to your traditionalism. That said, I do find it intriguing - in the same way that all things exotic are intriguing - since it feels so alien to the texts I’m accustomed to.

@Da77en It does not depend on what response you are getting on a specific topic such as Non-duality, Reality, or Truth but how much deeper you want to go into it. It will require work from you and whoever comes on this forum to search for it. Lately, nonduality has become a buzz word & everybody has their own POV. 99% of this view expressed anywhere on the internet is still a trap within the minds of people who are expressing it. How passionate are you about knowing the truth, and what are you bringing to the plate to know it? Otherwise, it will not take time for you to become a parrot as well. (99%, I have mentioned above.) For me, the eagerness when I have faced this question is to keep my life on the front line and be ready to die (if required) to know the reality. Even if you take the most powerful psychedelic on earth and are not ready to integrate the learning, deconstruct your mind, etc. You will end up with the majority facing mental issues triggered by it. Some rules to go forward (you can add your own) : - For a specific topic on this forum go to Google and search for a specific topic for example - site:https://www.actualized.org/forum/ "awareness". You can do this with any specific site. This will cut down your search to a minimum number you put. Now go and see the old topics on this forum or other sites. You will find some very good explanations on the topic you are searching for. Here is the link to get into a basic search on YT. There are many videos on the same topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzhbYoSZix4 - If you have started a topic and say for example 4 people have replied to it. Most probably out of 4. Only 1 or 2 people replies which resonate with you. You have to engage with them (elaborate on your query etc). It's ok if you are not engaging with 100 which doesn't answer your query. Other than this my POV here (Which may not be of yours or others) : You never arrive on this search. It keeps showing you new levels of understanding, and experience. The only thing you have to do is to keep yourself humble and surrender to it. Also, this journey is not for everybody (This is my POV) because it may land you with a nervous breakdown or mental illness. It is so direct that no thoughts or complex wording can define it. If you didn't find an answer here go somewhere else and search it. Never ever get discouraged because you are a unique POV out of approximately 8 billion Humans POV right now on Earth and an infinite alien POV out there.

Non-existence does not exist because you are always permeating nothingness to the last corner (metaphorical) of infinity, since you are infinite. not finite, not end. never. you are, that's it. reality is, now, and now is always, now is what exists, the time, before and after, and in the now, are appearances. you can understand exactly why you are always, its obvious, its because there are no limits, then you are, and you are total, everything. it's absolutely impossible that it isn't, because there are no limits. you are unlimited. Its not something mysterious os alien, its you, now.

Feigning ignorance is a manipulation tactic that can be used to avoid accountability, confuse the other party, or gain the upper hand in a negotiation. He uttered whatever inanities that would get him elected" Only two things are infinite, consciousness and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. "Contemplate how foolish the average person is, and then realize that half of them are stupider than that. " Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than genuine ignorance and conscientious stupidity. Mycorrhizal networks have always reminded me of the internet and neural networks—trees that have formed symbiotic relationships with various fungi and bacteria. Trees can communicate with each other through networks in the soil. Much like social networks or neural networks, the fungal mycelia of mycorrhizas allow signals to be sent between trees in a forest. These mycorrhizal networks are effectively an information highway, with recent studies demonstrating the exchange of nutritional resources, defense signals, and allelochemicals. Sensing and responding to networked signals elicits complex behavioral responses in plants. This ability to communicate ('tree talk') is a foundational process in forest ecosystems. Complex adaptive systems, ectomycorrhiza, forests, mycorrhizal networks, plant behavior, plant communication. The adaptive behavior of plants, including rapid changes in physiology, gene regulation, and defense response, can be altered when linked to neighboring plants by a mycorrhizal network (MN). Mechanisms underlying the behavioral changes include mycorrhizal fungal colonization by the MN or interplant communication via the transfer of nutrients, defense signals, or allelochemicals. We focus this review on our new findings in ectomycorrhizal ecosystems and also review recent advances in arbuscular mycorrhizal systems. We have found that the behavioral changes in ectomycorrhizal plants depend on environmental cues, the identity of the plant neighbor, and the characteristics of the MN. The hierarchical integration of this phenomenon with other biological networks at broader scales in forest ecosystems, and the consequences we have observed when it is interrupted, indicate that underground ‘tree talk’ is a foundational process in the complex adaptive nature of forest ecosystems. A mycorrhiza is typically a mutualistic symbiosis between a fungus and a plant root, where fungal-foraged soil nutrients are exchanged for plant-derived photosynthate. The extent of fungal mycelium in the soil is vast and the mutualisms between the fungal species and host plants are usually diffuse, enabling the formation of mycorrhizal networks (MNs). These MNs are composed of continuous fungal mycelia linking two or more plants of the same or different species. The MN can thus integrate multiple plant species and multiple fungal species that interact, provide feedback, and adapt, which comprise a complex adaptive social network. The MN is considered ecologically and evolutionarily significant because of its positive effects on the fitness of the member plants and fungi. Our understanding of this significance derives from the evidence that MNs influence the survival, growth, physiology, health, competitive ability, and behavior of the plants and fungi linked in the network. How the MN affects the member plants and fungi is increasingly understood to involve plant–fungal–plant communication, and may involve biochemical signaling, and resource transfers or action-potential-driven electrical signals. The responses of the plants and fungi to this communication are rapid and thus can be described as behavioral responses, allowing us to refocus our understanding of the significance of MNs through the lens of plant behavior. I am fascinated by mycelium perhaps I should have been a mycologist! When we see mushrooms in nature, we witness forms and shapes that are very different from the everyday button mushroom of picture books. And honestly, mushrooms look strange at the best of times. Not like any plants we know. No leaves or flowers. No seeds even. It’s as if they’re from an oddly alien kingdom, with their caps, smooth skins, and spores. But things get stranger. Mushrooms are simply the reproductive structure or fruiting body of mycelium. Next time you pick a mushroom from the ground, pause and consider what lies beneath. And keep in mind that the mushroom represents a very, very small part of the larger organism. The mushroom is simply the fruit of mycelium. Mycelium is a vast fungal network that is woven through the soil under every step we take. And underneath each step – almost anywhere in the world you walk - there are up to 300 miles of fungal mycelium. What does mycelium look like? On a wet day in the fall, if you pick up a layer of wet leaves, or move a fallen, rotting branch, you might see a web of white or almost white threads spreading across the ground. What you’re seeing is mycelium. It’s everywhere, and these networks can be huge. In 2019, an international team of paleontologists discovered microscopic fungi in Arctic Canada that are about twice as old as the previously oldest known fossils of fungi: The fossils date back to between 900 million and 1 billion years ago. The fossils were found in the Grassy Bay Formation, in shallow water shale south of Victoria Island on the edge of the Arctic Ocean. The fossils were identified as Ourasphaira giraldae using chemical and structural analyses. The discovery suggests that fungi may have played an important role in the colonization of land by eukaryotes. The organisms are so well preserved that they still carry traces of chitin, an organic compound used to make fungal cell walls. In fact, the world’s largest and oldest organism is an unbroken network of mycelium, sometimes referred to as the “Humongous fungi”. It’s a living organism that covers almost 4 square miles in the Malheur National Forest in Oregon. It's estimated to be over 8,500 years old! Mycelium does a great deal more than simply grow and spread. Mycelium is a worldwide web… but organic and always growing and changing. It holds soils together and helps aerate them. It creates soil by excreting acids and enzymes that break down organic matter and even rock. Saprophytic mushrooms and their mycelium networks use those acids and enzymes to decompose fallen leaves, plants, and trees. Not to mention dead animals, insects, and birds. They break everything down into simpler molecules that become part of the broader ecosystem. Fungi are the world’s primary decomposers. Without them, the planet would be overwhelmed with piles of dead organic matter. Imagine if every tree that had ever fallen over the last million years was still there on the ground… fallen but unchanged. We’d be miles deep in fallen wood. But fungal mycelium decomposes all the organic detritus on the ground and transforms it into soil. Mycelium partners with and supports almost all plants and trees. In addition to being decomposers, woven into the nutrient cycles of the planet, mycelium is also a communications and transport network. Sounds crazy, but it’s true. One simple example of this is the extraordinary symbiotic relationship that exists between mycorrhizal fungi and trees. Mycorrhizal fungi penetrate the walls and cells of a tree’s roots. It does the same with plants. Now there’s a physical connection between the roots and the mycelial network, valuable exchanges can take place. A microscopic view of the thread-like hyphae that make up mycelium. The mycelium extends far beyond the reach of a single tree’s roots, so it can access minerals and other nutrients that can’t be reached by the tree. The mycelium passes these nutrients onto the tree. But it gets something in exchange. Trees and plants create carbon and sugars through the process of photosynthesis. Mushrooms and mycelium can’t do that. So, in exchange for the nutrients the mycelium passes on to the trees, the trees give back their excess carbon and sugars. It’s an extraordinary relationship. Mycorrhizal fungi will even create connections between parent trees and their offspring, allowing the “mother tree” to pass on nutrients to the younger trees. Mushroom Spores Are One of Nature’s True Marvels Spores are the microscopic “seeds” of mushrooms and fungi. They are everywhere… even in the air we breathe, wherever we are. Using Mycelium to Make Electronics More Sustainable It sounds like an almost impossible marriage, but yes, mycelium and electronics are a hot new item. How fungi and mycelium transformed life on Earth. Compost fans witness the slow breakdown of kitchen and garden waste. But did you know the primary drivers of compost are fungi? Mushrooms and Fungi are Nature's Allies in Combating Climate Change. In a world threatened by climate change, mushrooms, and fungi can help us mitigate the harm through carbon capture and more. 10 Ways Mushroom Mycelium is Being Used in Modern Materials. While mostly hidden underground, mycelium is now making it possible to create a whole new range of eco-friendly materials. Fungi’s Growing Role in Sustainable Agriculture. Industrial agriculture comes at a cost. Fortunately, fungi can help create a more sustainable agricultural future. Fungi have sex in a variety of interesting and surprising ways. Their range of reproductive options gives fungi a unique survival advantage. Who knew? 4 Ways mushroom mycelium challenges our definitions of intelligence. As humans, we like to believe only our species is intelligent. Research into fungal mycelium is now challenging that assumption. How fungi communicate with language is based on electrical impulses. Researchers have uncovered how fungi communicate in a language based on electrical impulses. Fungi maintain ecological balance in our woods and forests. Aspen tells us about how mushrooms and fungi help maintain the ecological balance in our world. How mushrooms and agroforestry improve forest health. Mycoforestry is the strategy of using mycorrhizal fungi to help damaged ecosystems—big or small—recover faster. Mycelium is the secret ingredient in healthy garden soil. Mycelium holds everything together in the soil of a healthy garden. Without the mycelium, the health of all your plants and trees will suffer. Mycoremediation can help clean up large areas of polluted land and waters. Mycoremediation is the use of fungal mycelium to help clean up oil spills, toxic soil at old industrial sites, and polluted waterways. Using fungi to combat and prevent algae blooms. Algae blooms harm aquatic life and local economies. Fungi might hold the key to preventing them through mycorestoration. How Fungi Can Support Life in Space? The year 2021 saw the most successful orbital launches and the most humans in space at any one time. While so many of us are gazing skyward at the possibility of interstellar travel, a few of us are also exploring the potential impact subterranean fungi could have on our ability to boldly go where no one has gone before. As a companion for space travel, fungi may not be your first choice, but their unique growth habits, high nutritive value, therapeutic benefit, and ability to withstand extreme environments could prove essential to long-distance space travel. In fact, mushrooms thrive so well in space many believe them to be of extraterrestrial origin. Earthly or not, we’ll discuss the many ways mushrooms could assist humanity in future space exploration. Fungi and the Mir Space Station Our first hint that fungi could survive if not thrive in outer space came in 1988 when the Russian space station Mir was attacked by what Soviet microbiologist Natalia Novikova later described as an “aggressive space fungus.” Though the threat was serious, the organism was not your typical space invader, but a rapidly growing web of fungal hyphae which was threatening windows, and control panels, and gradually eating away at the interior of the space station and a Soyuz transport vehicle. An aggressive daily cleaning regimen finally took care of the problem aboard Mir, which sustained a broken window following the dissolution of a rubber seal. As one can imagine, decomposing space stations are less than ideal, and although NASA asserted these fungal stowaways were of Earthly origin, their presence in space offered our first opportunity to examine astromycology – the study of Earth-derived mushrooms in space – up close and personal. This unique situation proved that mushrooms could survive space travel. That a fungus could spread across an entire space station suggests it may even thrive in outer space. How could this be? Why Do Fungi Thrive In Space? High radiation and zero gravity present challenges for all life forms while in space, be they fungal or human. Despite these obstacles, several saprophytic species – fungi feeding on dead or decaying organic matter - were identified on Station Mir. One might not expect a modern spacecraft would have much decaying matter, but human astronauts shed tens of thousands of dead skin cells daily, even in space. These skin cells could have provided plenty of food for the fungi, which might explain why so many could survive aboard the craft. Mushrooms and Radiation Saprophytic fungi are well-known for their ability to survive in a wide variety of climates, including extreme heat and cold. Many are even able to withstand high amounts of radiation, as was the case following the Chornobyl nuclear disaster in 1986. Fungal organisms removed from the wall of the dysfunctional reactor were darkened by natural pigments through a process called melanization. Melanized fungi can be found all over the world, including Antarctica. Research on the mold Penicillium expansum found that specimens living in space for seven months developed an increased presence of melanin layers due to the increases in radiation. Space-based research into another type of fungal mold, Cryptococcus neoformans found that fungal individuals experiencing melanization grew faster after being exposed to 500 times the background rate of radiation. This suggests that melanin may not only provide protection to fungal DNA from space radiation but that fungi may be converting the radiation into energy, like the process by which plants convert energy from sunlight. Fungi in Zero Gravity Fungi and plants are known to grow in reaction to gravity to ensure efficiency for optimal growth and reproduction. Observations made on mushrooms grown in space show that fungi may flourish in the absence of gravity. When fungi reproduce, they release spores into the air, sometimes with force. With no friction in space due to the lack of gravity, the spores simply float away. This could be why astronauts aboard Mir witnessed large, fungal formations seemingly all over the spacecraft. How Mushrooms Can Support Life in Space High incidence of radiation and the prevalence of zero gravity can make space travel for humans quite challenging and downright dangerous. Fungi are not fazed by these setbacks and may even thrive in these conditions. Could fungi be useful in other implications of human space travel? Research suggests it’s quite likely. Sustainable Space Nutrition When some of us think about fungi, the first thing that comes to mind might be delicious, edible mushrooms. Fungi are in fact nutritionally diverse; rich in protein, complex carbohydrates, and essential vitamins such as D and B. Mushrooms are also relatively easy to grow and don’t take much time, space, or resources to do so. It’s for these reasons they are being considered as a sustainable food source for space travel. Species under consideration include the oyster mushrooms due to their fast growth rate and high yield of mushrooms. Myco-Architecture In addition to being an excellent source of food, research is being conducted into mycelium-based structures that could be utilized at future space colonies. NASA’s myco-architecture project is currently prototyping technologies that could see mycelium habitats being grown on the moon, Mars, and beyond. The technology would allow future space explorers to travel with a compact, lightweight material alongside a dormant fungus that could be simply unfolded and combined with water to grow a fully functional home. These micro-structures would not only provide a place for space travelers to rest their heads, but they would also provide essential protection through the unique fungal ability to absorb radiation. Fungi-based living structures may not be what we imagined for the future of space travel; mycelium is not as shiny as the metallic, futuristic cities portrayed in media, but it has the advantage of providing an efficient, safe, and eco-friendly habitat for life in space. Mycelium Satellites There are roughly 7,520 functional and non-functional artificial satellites in orbit. This number is expected to climb exponentially as telecommunications evolve. This poses many problems, including collision risks, space debris, and environmental impacts. Decommissioned satellites are a major source of pollution as they reenter Earth’s atmosphere and leave behind traces of aluminum and other toxic particles. Accumulation of these substances over decades can lead to ozone depletion among other environmental impacts. It’s for these reasons that satellite engineers and designers are looking to redesign their future satellites, with mushroom mycelium under consideration for future materials. Using fungi is an inexpensive, durable, and non-toxic solution to the dilemma of satellite overpopulation. Mycelium is extremely tough and durable, can withstand extreme temperatures and radiation, and is even fire-resistant. When future mycelium satellites re-enter our atmosphere, they won’t catch fire or pollute our atmosphere, oceans, or land. Are Mushrooms From Space? Fungi can survive surprisingly well in space. High radiation and zero-gravity are harsh on feeble human bodies but mushrooms appear to thrive in this type of environment. Is it possible that fungi are originally from space? Some of us think so. The theory that mushrooms come from the stars stems from the theory of panspermia, which asks the following question: what if microscopic life forms, such as bacteria, fungal spores, and other microbes, could be transported through space and land on another planet? Panspermia suggests that fungal spores could have arrived on Earth over a billion years ago by comets, asteroids, or other space debris. This could explain why fungi adapt so well to life in space, but this theory is still unproven. While we wait for the panspermia hypothesis to pan out, it’s a fascinating idea to entertain. Perhaps alien fungi will one day provide the missing link to the origin of life on our planet. Psychedelic Mushroom Therapy For Astronauts Psilocybin mushrooms, also known as “magic mushrooms,” have gained a lot of attention. They’re currently being studied to treat a wide range of mental health conditions, including depression, anxiety, and post-traumatic stress disorder to name a few. The results of these studies are incredible, with numerous states having already decriminalized or legalized psilocybin for therapeutic use. Mycologist Paul Stamets is well-known for his advocacy of all mushrooms, including psilocybin. He’s even suggested that psilocybin mushrooms could be an essential part of every astronaut’s psychological toolkit. According to Stamets, psilocybin mushroom use under the right conditions in a therapeutic setting may help future astronauts become more mentally resilient while they’re on their long journey. Instead of feeling isolated and depressed due to being so far from home, psilocybin therapy may allow them to feel like they’re part of one big consciousness. Psilocybin may also impart to astronauts an increased focus on their mission and enhanced creativity and problem-solving abilities, attributes valuable both on Earth and in deep space. Final Thoughts on Mushrooms in Space Fungi hold the promise of making space exploration more efficient and environmentally friendly. Not only can they nourish our bodies and minds while traveling in space, but they can also provide strong, radiation-proof, non-toxic materials as well. The seemingly endless amounts of ways mushrooms can enhance a human future in space will be added to as research into astromycology continues. We await with bated breath the future of this exciting science!

Yes buy the thing is that Leo is this guy who lay a 2h video to explain you with a mean look how you're immature and he were more mature that everybody from middle school, it's the guy who do random instagram photos with a poker face or with an african mask, it's the guy who do topic about crocodiles and alien pizza, it's the guy who do a video with a kind "helllo" before cooking the most horrible recipe of soup possible (it's a anglo-saxon so i forgive him, i'm not going to ask him to have taste) etcetc. Imagine him in relationship with a Chinese gymnast, i can already see them in my imagination getting bored like dead rats 80% of the time between making love and "How you see it's rainy (with a chinese accent*)🤔 ", and then Leo who respond "Oh yeah that's true🤔" with a shy smile to pretend he doesn't give a fu** of a such useless sentance. While with my curvy basketball blayer, he's no going to have to cross dress his persona, she will tease him, do/say "stupidities", create dramas and he will just have to juggle all that. That's what he built inself on, "the mature who who correct the world, the other".

I think it has to do with lacking an understanding of the archetypal distinction between the Masculine and Feminine... and seeing the Feminine as antithetical to the Masculine as opposed to a necessary component of what makes an attractive and well adjusted man. The esoteric Masculine without the esoteric Feminine makes someone a "brain-in-a-jar". (aka a robotic hyper-nerd) The esoteric Feminine without the esoteric Masculine makes someone a "blob-on-the-ground." (aka a lazy couch-potato) And of course, neither of these polarizations into the Masculine and Feminine make a person attractive. So, there is a misconception that a man need to be only Masculine, and that the more Masculine a guy is that the more attractive he will be. But the Feminine is what enables us to have emotional intelligence, social acuity, connection to the body and instincts, etc. as all things of the body, emotions, and social connection are in the Feminine principle. And this is what makes a man come across as Masculine and attractive in the eyes of the world. But because there is a distinction between the cultural associations with Masculinity (which includes A LOT of archetypal Feminine qualities) AND the esoteric Masculine (which is pure raw Masculinity), so many men keep doubling down on pure Masculinity and becoming more and more socially maladjusted, nerdy, and weird because they have repressed their Feminine sides, which is what makes us more down to Earth and human. So, these guys who seek to be Masculine and to repress their Feminine sides become total "brain-in-a-jar" robotic hyper-nerds that come across as a bit disconnected, lofty, and alien. And of course, women don't like that. And these hyper-Masculine nerdy guys believe women don't like them because they're not Masculine enough, when the problem is that they're hyper-Masculine and not integrated with their Feminine side enough. And they keep doubling down on Masculine polarization and making themselves more and more nerdy and less and less socially and emotionally attuned. And then, what's the solution? Clearly they're not Masculine enough... so they keep trying to subtract the Feminine and add the Masculine. And that doesn't work. And then, what's the solution? Clearly they're not Masculine enough... so they keep trying to subtract the Feminine and add the Masculine. And that doesn't work. And then, what's the solution? Clearly they're not Masculine enough... so they keep trying to subtract the Feminine and add the Masculine. And that doesn't work. And then, what's the solution? Clearly they're not Masculine enough... so they keep trying to subtract the Feminine and add the Masculine. And that doesn't work. And then, what's the solution? Clearly they're not Masculine enough... so they keep trying to subtract the Feminine and add the Masculine. And that doesn't work. etc.

The biggest themes on the forum are probably Spiral Dynamics (a pretty obscure developmental theory), non-duality ("reality is One thing"), and systems thinking (thinking in a very abstract way — but don't ask too much about how; they will say you're over-intellectualizing and wasting your time 😃😃). These only partially overlap with Leo's main focus. Leo also has his own spin on spirituality (Alien Consciousness) which some pretend to understand but nobody actually understands. Then you have the classic conflation of personal solipsism ("my limited screen of sensory perception is the only thing that exist") with cosmic solipsism ("pre-sensory, trans-personal, unlimited consciousness is the only thing that exists", a.k.a objective idealism or non-duality). This never fails to make its appearance at least once every other thread in the spirituality section. Then you also have the conflation of epistemological nihilism ("I know nothing", or really just "I don't know how to use language" — the language game that cannot stop shooting itself in the foot) with non-duality. We surely talk a lot about ostensibly non-duality here. Then you have enlightened leftism ("leftism kinda good, conservatism kinda bad"), enlightened pickup ("women kinda this, women kinda that"), and enlightened personal development ("what does my horoscop- I mean Spiral Dynamics chart say about my life?"). As for my personal favorites of Leo's videos: 40 Signs That You Are Neurotic Understanding How Paradigms Work Understanding Absolute Infinity Spiritual Enlightenment - The Most SHOCKING Truth You'll Ever Hear How To Meditate - The No Bullshit Guide To Meditation

Hello serious psychonauts, Right now I plan a lifetime supply of malt (20-30 years range) for me. What would you recommend, what is realistic ? I need 30 mg malt plugged for a decent trip. I want to hold the option in my life to go deep (alien mind etc). Can you advice me about how much g would be good? I know it's a difficult question because our consumption pattern might be different but I just need some reference to think about. I know there are only a few on this forum to answer that question. I hope @Leo Gura as probably on of the most experienced one in terms of long-term usage can answer this question too. Thanks

I see, thanks for sharing. Psychedelics never helped me, it's always randoms experiences ; Sometimes very alien and interesting eheh, but random and impersonal still.

Part 3. Then I started having glimpses via the mushroom let's call the female alien the mushroom she was showing me that in 2098 where my fiance was and how when you die you somehow shrink down to size and at night she was allowed out in this bubble where she could fly anywhere anytime you would think by now I would have gone this is crazy must be in some delusion/psychosis but I was even more lost in it. So she would fly in this bubble and watch me at night but was invisible to me. She would fall asleep in this bubble next to me when I slept. I guess she could go through matter kind of like quantum phasing then she would have to return to this dome prison thing in 2098. Somehow I was looking through my fiance's eyes like I was in her mind I could see it from her POV flying through the clouds at night. It was to me as clear as day I don't know how the mushroom was projecting this image from her mind into mine. Nor do I know how she could travel to my timeline. Some sort of telepathic mind interface across time. The next thing I knew was I was talking to a trillion God heads through my computer I remember calling out to a few old friends and saying how's it going. Then there was the so-called devil whom I shouted profanities at and said you had better run and he ran and disappeared. There was also dumpster God's head and I said something along the lines of you blundering simpleton, fat ignoramus of a venal and greedy pillock of a man with such poverty of imagination and he goes hay I like this guy he is really cool. Later on, I actually had a glimpse of hell for a second and since I don't believe in that tripe I saw my little devil friend on a beautiful planet so pristine and he was the governor of the whole planet. I felt bad for what I said before we all know who the real devils are don't we humans? I was then glimpsing it through my fiance's mind/eyes and she goes who's that midget looking Oompa Loompa thing and I said that's the Devil nice little chap, isn't he. Don't ask me why it was a he. Anyway after I had addressed all the Godheads I started to get tired, fell asleep, and woke up on that bean bag. I tried to move and it was as though there was this weight upon me I tried to crawl to my bedroom it took me about 5 minutes then I could not climb onto my bed this actually happened I know I was feeling weak from not eating anything for a few days. I still to this day don't know what it was. It was like an invisible force was holding me down. I have never experienced this before. The mushroom said it was them to see if I was really God and that they exerted a force of a tonne on me some crap like that but I understand I was in a delusion later on and that but this was different. I finally was let on my bed and went back to sleep. When I woke up I sat back on the computer and I believe this was the 2nd day or 3rd I was really weak and still was not eating I got this message from the mushroom that the same guy I sent the pleiadian female to was in league with another alien race that was 1 billion years old. And was for some reason going to destroy the mushroom alien race which was only 30 million years old and they needed help I asked what can I do and the mushroom said to send out to the universe a telepathic message and I did. I Love old sci-fi series and movies.

I'm finally back to give some updates on my experience with psychedelics. I haven't done so lately because I didn't have enough time to write trip reports and I needed to focus on myself, not on sharing my experience. I also realized that sharing a report for every trip was too difficult. One reason is that a trip can look a lot like another one, especially when described in words. Another reason is that the insights I have in some trips I don't feel comfortable sharing, and it would distill the trips too much to omit them. So I will only share my experience when it feels right to do so. I still want to keep a psychedelic journal format and write down each trip I have, even if it's just making a note of the date and the substance. So here is the list of the last trips I had: Trip 18: 4-AcO-DMT 20 mg, 03.25.24 (insufflated) Trip 19: 4-AcO-DMT 30 mg, 04.04.24 (oral) Trip 20: 5-MeO-MiPT 15 mg, 06.19.24 Trip 21: 5-MeO-MALT 20 mg, 06.24.24 Trip 22: 5-MeO-MiPT 15 mg, 07.09.24 Notes written on the 30th of September 2024: To share my overall thoughts on the new psychedelics, I had extremely beautiful trips on 5-MeO-MiPT. I absolutely love this substance. It feels so right for me. I love the duration—which is longer than 5-MeO-DMT and 5-MeO-MALT, the visuals, the introspective state it brings me in (I had so many deep realizations on it) and the pure Love Consciousness it creates. It's mind-blowing. It made me realize that I AM LOVE. The words playing in my mind on this substance were not I Am God, but I Am Love. It was so deep and beautiful. It has helped me a lot to start loving myself too. I even had a taste of an Alien Form Of Love. My experiences on 4-AcO-DMT were not as good. The first trip was too light—because I didn't take the substance properly, I think - and the second one started out well but ended up badly as I read a message during the come down which I didn't understand like I would have fully sober. Reading a message was a mistake that won't happen again. But overall, I felt disappointed because I had wished 4-AcO-DMT would have been more similar to magic truffles than it actually was in my first trips. But I definitely have to try it again, in better circumstances, to make myself a proper opinion of it. I will also try the plugging method to experience its purest form. Notes of today: Here is the list of the psychedelics I've taken this month: Trip 23: 4-AcO-DMT 20 mg, 10.03.24 Trip 24: 4-AcO-DMT 15 mg, 10.16.24 Trip 25: 4-AcO-DMT 15 mg, 10.21.24 Trip 26: 5-MeO-MALT 17 mg, 10.28.24 Trip 27: 5-MeO-MALT 15 mg, 10.30.24 Trip 28: 5-MeO-MALT 20 mg, 10.31.24 4-AcO-DMT First thing worth noting: I absolutely love 4-AcO-DMT. It's not exactly the same as magic truffles, but it's similar enough to really enjoy it. Psilocybin has been one of my favorite psychedelics, and I'm really happy to now have this substance, which is far easier to ingest. I really love everything about it so far, but I still haven't tripped enough to have a full grasp of it. I consider writing a detailed trip report at some point. But some little notes I have about it so far is that: It is sedating It makes my nose itchy Tears fall down my eyes for no real reason I get pain in the heart area on higher dosages I get full body orgasms The visuals are very intense, especially on higher dosages There is a serious taste of weirdness in these trips, but that is what I love most, and that comes with very deep realizations. It also makes my mind very still at times, which is a greatly welcomed break from my daily non-stop thinking life. My last trip was weaker than expected, which I think comes from the fact that I didn't wait long enough between the trips. I plan to trip on 15 mg again just to test again that dosage. Then I will raise the dose. I learned that having trips at lower dosages contributes to understanding and going deeper within one substance. I tend to desire to take more in order to get more, but it is not necessarily how it works. Going lower helps build foundations. It is easier for me to accept that now that I have many more opportunities to trip than I had when I started this thread. I was living with my mother and my grandmother, which I was taking care of everyday. I'm extremely sad that she is gone, but I can now do the things I couldn't do before. I am more sad, but more free. 5-MeO-MALT I did the same, starting from lower, after a long break with it. It was especially good as I had terrible nausea on it for the first time ever (more about that here). I went even lower on the next trip, and then went back higher. It really helped me get more clarity on the substance, though it's not as mind-blowing as a full dose. I understand this substance a bit differently and better now and I'm ready to go deeper. First of all, it's completely different from 4-AcO-DMT. I had forgotten how different it was. I don't like it as much, but it is very direct and pure to grasp what consciousness is. For that kind of work, it is great, but I need many more trips on it. What's funny is that this psychedelic makes my all body vibrate, especially my arms and hands. I can literally see them tremble. When I stood up today to close the curtains, my arms were difficult to move, as if they were somewhat paralysed. It was weird, but not a big of a deal I think. When I am lying down, the vibrations are what's most impressive. I was listening to the music @Jodistrict shared here and it was so perfect. I felt extremely good in my body, as if the music was massaging my brain and giving me mind orgasms. One realization I had on today's trip was that one of the deepest forms of corruption one can fall into was not being true to oneself. To me, it can manifests as to not fully being who I am (it can be very subtle) in order to please others or to get approval. I've fallen into this trap quite a lot. I sacrifice my true self in order to protect my lower self, my ego. Doing that doesn't help me grow. It is something I am becoming more and more conscious of. I need to let my higher self come to the forefront. I am not chasing money, sex or fame in my daily life, but I am chasing love, recognition, and approval. It all comes from ego and corrupts me all as much. Trip Preparation And After Care This last month, I've been developing my own routine to start a trip. It is very simple. I basically wake up at 7:30 AM, put on some comfortable clothes, go to the bathroom, prepare the syringe, and add more pillow on my bed. Then I find a comfortable position, plug the substance (often around 8 AM), and sit still until the trip has completely started. On 4-AcO-DMT, I like to sit in front on my window during the come up. I look at the trees. It's a very beautiful view. I now start my trips with the curtains open and the light on, but I still like when it is completely dark at times. When the trip is over, I eat and drink a lot. I get extremely thirsty all day. Then I take care of my dogs and take some rest (30-60 minutes) before starting the day. I've been working a lot in the house lately. I'm far more productive now. I still don't know how to improve my after care routine. I feel like something is missing. Well-Being And Purpose I'm feeling much better in myself and in my life now that I have opportunities to trip weekly. Psychedelics, exploring and working towards understanding consciousness, is really a need for me. It is a purpose, and following through on this purpose makes me incredibly happy. It feels so good to finally be able to move forward. I feel much more grounded, present, and centered. The road towards full understanding is long, but my well-being has already considerably improved in just a month of tripping.

The alien crocodile mice waiting to shittest Leo next trip: 😈🙏👽🐊🐭

There is something that the ego hates and that if you realize it, the ego will begin to work against it. is that everything you know, your level of consciousness, even the level of consciousness of an interdimensional alien entity of unimaginable magnitude is exactly the same as the level of consciousness of a worm. There is no difference, it seems like it is more but it is not, the only level of consciousness is the total being, and it is the same, a proton is the same as an entire universe. Omniscience means know what you are. Without limits there is nothing else to know, anything is the same than another thing, there is not bigger or smaller, higher or lower, there is the illusion of knowing things or the realization that anything in comparison with infinity dissapear, then there is only one knowing: what you are, your nature, and it's the nature of everything.

Alien chanter, too new agey for you. What do you like about Non-Duality? Me personally: nothing 😁

Ooo, my, oh my, oh my - how fuuunky! Hmmm, perhaps you should upload this as a YouTube video, with hyper-detailed, multidimensional images and video...? You can’t possibly expect to comprehend the vast intricacies of extraterrestrial, transdimensional, and hyper-cosmic language with such a minuscule sample! Didn’t they properly educate you in the Leo Gura Institute of Alien Hyperintelligence on the nuances of this phenomenon? How am I expected to interrupt this on such a low database? Goshy!

“I believe alien life is quite common in the universe, although intelligent life is less so. Some say it has yet to appear on planet Earth." -Steven Hawking

This is a super fascinating topic to explore. First of all, I agree, all location is absolutely relative. This is the case with all objects that seem to be distinct and to have a distance from each other. This idea also stretches much further than relation between material objects. Here I wanna take the opportunity to explore the relation between the sense of identity and the sense of subjectivity, which is quite fascinating. This will sound obvious to some but I find its always to explore the fundamental questions of being conscious. Identity wants to locate itself in the symbolic realm in relation to other identities and the social structure. Example: Your name is a a concept that was imposed on you by your parents as a place to locate your identity (relative to other identities). Even if you choose a new name, you are still locating yourself in the symbolic social realm. Concepts like "man" "woman" "plumber" "muslim" "american" "human" "confident" etc. are all way to be distinct and distanced from other identities. This is the way identity aims to localize itself. So just like a pencil or a planet or a star doesn't have a location, neither does our sense of subjectivity. Identity is layered "on top of" subjectivity and provides a sense of location in relation to other identities and symbolic realms of language etc. This is why identity is in a sense important to navigate social reality. At the same time identity causes horrible problems when it is insisted on to relieve us from our subjectivity. In a sense, every object is alien to where it exists, nothing has its own "place". The same applies to us; whoever we think we are is alien to us. These relations between location and identity, subjectivity and space can be used to gain a ton of insight into all sorts of political and cultural situations too. For example, most ideologies appeal to the desire to "be located" in some way, appealing to (and creating) our desire to escape our subjectivity.

Okay, I understand fractals now. They're not "alien" to us. We're the fractals, density/synchronicity, a fractal matrix. Fractals encode, traverse & express memory in a system. Structural and cognitive complexity of neural life forms. Mechanic computational approaches are way too limited. Traversing, modifying, updating the whole needs recursion. And the natural emergent efficient form approaches that. Neural networks really are freaking astonishing, I must say.