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Sure, there is no reincarnation. Absolutely. But there also aren't people... If there is an apparent experience of people as real, don't overlook the possibility of an apparent experience of reincarnation as real.

@Dodo Their has been a debate going on for a long time. Buddhist believe there is no individualized self, even though many posit that there is reincarnation. They offer no explanation as to what is being reincarnated. Vedanta believes that the self is not what you think it is but there is an individualized self called the Atman. What happens to the Atman when we die is debated within Vedanta. Whats your view on reincarnation then? What is being reincarnated again and again if there is no soul? I still is not satisfied with explanation of soul. I can see everybody is giving different answers like they are clueless. If soul is inside the body than its changes the whole meaning of " OUR WHOLE BODY IS MIND/ CONSCIOUSNESS " thing. That means soul is different from consciousness. Why are people able to retain experience of their own personality after dying during their NDE if ego dissolves after death. Leo teaches that ego dissolves at the time of death. But NDEr's say something different. They say they have their memories intact and their individuality and ego. Which is contradiction to teachings of LEO. How could it be possible ego is surviving after death?

@Mh1781 Consider the possibility that this journey is training you to become GOD, to create your own universe, and due to the difficulties faced at various degrees by 7 billion people, that that is why reincarnation is for, for those who need more training. Food for thought.

No that's a subjective term used to define something in the apparent physical world. Reincarnation on the other hand is actually made impossible by this. If there is no separated little chunk of consciousness that you have ownership over, there is nothing to reincarnate or return to the "whole". What is there to reincarnate? It's not even overthinking or a trick question. Literally WHAT reincarnates? There's nothing to reincarnate. Reincarnation requires there is some aspect special to you to work.

@Tim R Right, so ideas like reincarnation must be false? If there are no individual pockets of consciousness belonging to us (foam on a tide, bubbles in a stream, etc), there is no special me-consciousness to come back. It is only one gigantic "mind" brimming with infinite thoughts. What then do you suppose is death like? As you said we sense there is division by illusion. There does exist an "experience of me". What is it like for the characters in a dream when the dream ends? What is it like for us when we end? Many deep altered states allow the person's brain function to remain online (which is how a person can store a memory of the experience)... We won't experience going back to the source because it is already whole and undivided... The relative experience of it sounds as though it might be like the Atheist proposition.

This is a common misconception. It is actually possible to become so conscious that reincarnation itself is seen to be imaginary. So you transcend even reincarnation. So it very much is possible to understand such things. It's not belief or speculation. You can realize it directly.

I don't think reincarnation should have a place in nondual teachings. To have knowledge of whether or not such a thing happens someone has to go beyond the point of no return... And then they can't come back and tell anyone what happens... I've always felt that karma is a way nondual religions have found to inject Western ideas of good and bad etc onto nonduality. It is total speculation. I feel sure both forms of death would be equivalent... Upon death none of self remains at ALLLLL. And also in mystical states, there is no such thing anymore... What happens when you remove everything "monk" about a monk and everything "Hitler" about "Hitler"? What is left is indistinguishable. It is pure consciousness. How a person gets "there" to me does not seem like it would or even could matter. Conversely, to abandon your life is ignoring relative experience. There is a good reason people actually buy and watch movies. Everyone knows they are actors etc. it does not stop us from enjoying them and getting lost in them as though they were real. So why not life? This is a movie for us to enjoy, but in first person view.

i dont think that reincarnation is even matters , suicide is just not a conscious thing, it is animalistic fueled by anger and fear

Reincarnation only makes sense if you believe the story surrounding it. For example in Buddhism, there is no self or soul that gets reborn; its only karma that binds your habitual tendencies that gets passed down life after life. You now, is not the you of the past because there is no soul, but the you of now has the inherited karma of the phenomena of you of the past. If you believe this, I do, then reincarnation makes sense. If you don't have the background knowledgr of karma, it's workings, and it's part in reincarnation then the theory unravels. That's why people are so confused about the process of reincarnation, they don't have the complete theory and rules encompassing the phenomena, only a part here and a part there so they come to conclusions like no it's not real it's just a mind construct or other.

Well, since any exclusive positive claim is necessarily false, I cannot say reincarnation is real. It's like anything else: it may appear to happen. The Law of One / Ra Material (quite legit channeled work) provides some info on the technicalities of reincarnation (and metaphysics in general). If you haven't checked it out, I highly recommend it: https://www.lawofone.info/sessions.php Aaron Abke has an amazing series on the Ra Material if you're new to it. Very highly recommend it: Relative is absolute. The absolute appears as the relative.

In the relative sense there is a you. And with our relative minds we want to know what happens to the relative self upon death. It cannot be like any drug trip because remnants of the brain (specifically memory) are clearly active. I am considering... There is an "experience of you" but not a you. Much like how a thought comes and goes. To ask where we go when we die, to suggest we reincarnate or something is like saying characters in a dream when they vanish must come back in some other form. But they actually just cease to exist because they were never real at all. But then from the point of view of that vanishing dream man, what has happened? From our relative experience of existing as a being, do we simply enter oblivion like Atheism suggests? There would be no experience of oblivion of course. But would it basically just be like that?

I think god realization happens when you push your awareness upwards high enough through self-inquiry. That's what psychedelics do. They unleash lots of energy from the body reservoirs temporarely and that blows their awareness upwards because energy and awareness go together. Like a lightbulp, more voltage you put in brighter it shines. Psychedelics are like overcloking your system 100x temporarely. This doesn't mean you dissolved your ego. You only created huge distance between ego and awareness. That gives you a god realization. What vippasana does is a bit different. They are not focused on creating the distance between ego and awareness. They are interested in dissolving ego. That's why they focus on the body because the location of the ego is in throughout the entire body-system. To fully obliterate the ego, every particle in the body has to become pure energy, no solidity can be left. Their logic is that the less ego you have the higher your vibration and awareness will naturally be because ego is what pulls the awareness down into a shape. So at a certain point when you reach full no-ego state it should be the peak of awareness a human being is capable of because there's nothing pulling him down except the physical body that has its own tax on consciousness. Vippasana and ego dissolution is a longer path with interesting cessation stages. Distancing yourself from ego is a another way and can be done in many ways like psychedelics or self inquiry for example but it doesn't dissolve the ego so much so you still have to go through the process of dissolution anyways to become free from suffering and end the reincarnation cycles. To reach a permenant state of awareness or a primordial sense of being one has to push his energies beyond a certain point of intensity and that's it. That comes with the evolution of soul/energy body. Either you do it with self-inquiry or vipassana, both ways you are bound to reach a point where when you sit your entire body vibrates with energy, then you reach an effortless acid state of permenant present moment awareness. Psychedelics give you a glimpse of this intense energy but it has a cost of draining the soul/energy body. Psychedelics can be used occasionally to open up certain possibilities and channels in human consciousness but overusing them will result in backwards growth. Ideally you want to cultivate energy into a higher and higher states with spiritual practices not drain it by recklessly abusing substances. Even if you do self-inquiry or vipassana in about 1-2years of daily practice a person would start feeling subtle energy vibrating in the body usually in the belly. This energy then intensifies and spreads across the body with practice. Depends on how intense your vibration is, that intense your awareness and evolution is. Interesting topic. I don't know how much truth there is in what I wrote. But these are nice thoughts for pondering I think Nice to see a legend here ? @Being Frank Yang

Your understanding of death will deepen as your consciousness deepens. At first you will start to open up to reincarnation and stuff like that. But if you become ridiculously conscious you will realize that even reincarnation and past lives is imaginary stuff.

That would seem to be a different level of abstraction. Reincarnation is relatively more actual (alterations not accessible by individual imagination) than that. Of course there are no past lives, ultimately. Reincarnation merely seems to happen. It's a dream (to consider it ultimate reality).

Exactly! But reincarnation does apparently happen. It's just a psychic reality, or as you say "imaginary." Yes. Precisely. i.e. death has no reality, whatsoever.

I'm about as nondual-realized as one can imagine, and yet, I am aware of the reality of reincarnation -- it seems there really is a psychic reality in which reincarnation occurs. So yeah, nobody dies. End of story.

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I had many mystical and psychical experiences, in that I'm naturally spiritually gifted. I had NDE, premonition, feelings of reincarnation, sleep paralysis ( which is not exactly mystical ) I'm also currently working on trying to develop deep mystical experiences through remote practices.

Last night in my dreams I felt very disturbed. I constantly felt like I was in Ancient Rome and I was an Ancient Roman woman. And that I was reincarnated into my present form. I looked a lot like this woman. It's a painting of an Ancient Roman. When I woke up I began searching for roman names to see if something clicks and there it was What a coincidence? A few weeks or days back I had decided that the most important character in my life was the Graffiti girl Cassia. Cassie felt very close to my heart, me morphing into the Graffiti girl.. Me wanting freedom from a society that didn't allow me to live. I had no idea back then that Cassia was an Ancient Roman name. And here it is in the list of roman names. What a synchronicity? I tried looking up more Roman names. And two names felt like they had a connection with me. I went through a log of 100 names. I was constantly and psychically feeling a connection with the letter C or the sound of C like the sound of S. Two names really felt familiar. Cecilia , Roman version being Caecilia, and Severina. Meanings of the names Cecilia - meaning blind Cassie - meaning vain and cheap Severina - no meaning

I’m not much of a county music fan but this is a cool song about reincarnation, I’ve heard Willie nelson believes in reincarnation, maybe smoking so much weed gave him this thought https://youtu.be/bMdeg-WKt1U

Indeed not. It's just Love ?? There is bad if you Imagine it. good with little g is also something you imagine. But contemplate if it's possible to conceive of 'good' without the potential/existence of 'bad'. Reincarnation is imagined. However I'm pretty sure souls & reincarnation is 'real' in the sense that it is a "collective imaginary 'feature'/'rule'/'boundary'" behind the also imaginary physical curtains of life. Souls probably reincarnate to grow. To develop. We go from souls that experience lots of separation, hate, evil and ego towards souls that are more wise, more loving, more developed. But they needed a kick in the ass early on to finally get to the understanding of the Universal Message of Oneness, if you will. If everything/life from the get-go on Earth was just pure peace, no conflicts, no evil, then (just as an example) I bet there wouldn't be internet today, and we wouldn't sit here communicating:D We probably wouldn't even recognize the inherent beauty & peace of everything, and would eventually do some evil things like murder, rape, just to see what happens -- cos We felt so free! Then shit happened right. This is the tale of Adam & Eve in Paradise. All was at peace. They had non-dual minds, only saw the Goodness with big G. Then God got bored of it all and wanted some fucking crazy shit, and then he made Adam&Eve eat the apple of knowledge, while simultaneously convincing them it was their own decision inspired by Satan in snake form ?. Dualism was born (imagined). Rest is history.

@WaveInTheOcean Can you elaborate how reincarnation works if there is nothing good or bad?

General question for those interested in dialogue: Is the quality of ones consciousness transferable between incarnations/lifetimes? I've been contemplating that it would really suck to realize that I'm God, creator of everything in present existence, just to forget it once this my physical mind and body dies . I have not studied Buddhism in depth, but maybe this is addressed in the notion of reincarnation. The nature of our experience may change, but does the recognition of absolute Truth remain? The localized realities in which we inhabit, are in truth finite. Side note: Leo has mentioned in his recent YouTube episode that the forum is lacking serious questions from its members. I consider myself a serious of the work, and am encouraging others on the forum who are as well to contribute quality questions to keep this interesting. With love

What happens when you die? This is a question that I'm sure we've all pondered since learning about death from a young age. To a religious fundamentalist, life is a test to determine if you go to heaven or hell. To a skeptic, when our brain stops working we go to oblivion forever. For those who are more spiritual, reincarnation is a viable explanation. I give a few examples of past life and near death experiences, as well as The Tibetan Book of the Dead to find out what happens when we die.

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