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@mandyjw @SQAAD @Breakingthewall @Tim R @The Lucid Dreamer @JosephKnecht @OneHandClap @Rilles @Judy2 But constantly being reborn until you become pure Godlike seems like it's not from the highest good/love. If you tell me that If I don't do good things or if I don't do this or that then I'll be reborn as a lesser being or go to a hellish realm that literally just installs fear as a motivator to be better. Then you would only be a good person or do good thing "so you don't go to hell" / out of fear? --- That's fucked, imo. I hope that things are so that you get a choice each lifetime if you wanna continue, something doesn't quite ring true in my heart about this whole worse reincarnation thing / hell realms if you do bad things. My inkling (still not verified yet) is that we simply unite into one infinity as love forever eternally, then we get bored of infinity and be a being again. Play a new character, change the character's clothes, appearance, give it wings whatever the fuck. But Idk still, unless we have a direct experience of a final human physical death WE CAN'T KNOW. All of us here are still writing on a forum so non of us know, maybe it'll be a nice surprise when it's our time. Yes, some people have had NDE's and have died (I don't discount that) however non of us that are still breathing have had the "FINAL" physical death. Yes Ego death is basically the same thing,,,, BUTTT not quite, not physically and permanently - you have to actually die and stay dead to truly know LOL. Let's find out when we find out and live by love in the meantime.

@Tim R Basically Karma. I think every action has a consequence. There is no free ride. I think that some characteristics of the soul can survive death into the next reincarnation.

Will God Punish you if you end up killing yourself? By 'Punish' I mean maybe you'll just be reborn into similar shi**y situations just so you will overcome em in this reincarnation. It seems to me that this life will affect the quality of my next life..

Ram dass video on reincarnation popped on my youtube screen just now, might be a synchronisity.

@SelfHelpGuy nice examples ? I think if some people can remeber what they did yesterday, and some people can remember what they did in the previous lifetime, there is not much difference. Well I don't have a full understanding on this but what buddha or Jesus would say is that ego doesn't die after death. It takes another form. It could take an eartly body, or some other body, or go to heavenly realm or to hell. Where you go depends on how much evolution of the soul has been made here on earth. I don't even myself understand it fully so... but ego survives bodily death according to almost all if not 100% of all religions and spiritual traditions in the world even in advaita studies nobody denies reincarnation. Only "expert nondualists" on this forum have funny ways of disproving everything that they don’t like. ? I think reincarnation is like taking all the data and all the softwares from one computer and uploading it to another computer. If you want ego death, all data has to be obliterated through spiritual practice or antivirus self deleting program killing a computer won't kill the data inside it. When a body dies, I think the personality and the karmic substance and all data of the ego can float around in the energy body in the space or take another womb. The personality and the karmic substance is recorded in the energy body. This energy that carries the information and data of the personality is called the soul. The soul's energy and universe's energy is ultimately the same but it is being seperated by the ego and karmic substance. Like a bubble in the air. Air inside the bubble and air outside the bubble is the same air but a bubble is formed becouce of the ego mass around the energy and appareat seperation of individual soul happens. Dissolving the bubble or the karmic structure makes the bubble dissapear and the soul energy reunites with the cosmos energy. Aka, mahasamadhi. If you dissolve the ego bubble fully, the energy that carries the person's data will no longer be entrapped by the personality and just unites with infinity. Like the bubble bursting and air joining the cosmos.

Nobody is saying that reincarnation is not a phenomenon than God can dream up. It's just confusing and assumes there is ultimately a soul somewhere separated from God. Which leads to beliefs that you can't join God (realize that you're God) unless you've reincarnated yourself x number of times. And of course, if this is the case, completely close the possibility to realize that you're God right now.

Hmmmm, sleep is very much like death. If I fully believed my body was dying then I could see reincarnation as a possibility. I know there's no me, but the illusive dream characters POV could go through a dream of dying. I wouldn't want to fully write off reincarnation or death, honestly who knows? It's the great unknown what happens to all the characters and how the dream may change.

It's really unfair to use nondual phylosophy to dismiss reincarnation. Reincarnation is like going to sleep and waking up in the morning again. Going to sleep would be equivalent to death, and waking up in the morning would be equivalent to entering a new womb. Just because everything is one and there is no seperate self doesn't disprove the fact that there is such a thing as sleep and waking up in the morning. I'm not saying reincarnation is real or unreal. I'm saying nonduality is really a poor way of disproving reincarnation. Nonduality has nothing to do with this subject at all. Nonduality only points to the absolute truth there is no such thing as death. Because consciouness can't die and was never born. But consciouness also can’t fall asleep and can't wake up. And so? Does that mean sleep doesn't exist? A hardcore nondualist would say sleep doesn't exist because there is no self to fall asleep or to wake up (or smth like that). But from a normal human relative perspective sleep and waking up is very much real phenomena we all experience every day. To use nondual phylosophy to dismiss everything is really unfair. You can say there's no such thing as eating because consciouness doesn't have a stomach. And there is no self so who is eating? You can basicly prove any kind of bullshit with this nondual phylosophy. Nondual phylosophy has it's place and is beautiful but it should not be used in every area of life. Even ramana maharshi the god of advaita and nonduality says there is reincarnation...

You can go to infinite love right now because that's what God is, and you're God (the ego doesn't need to die, you can just realize what it is from God pov). Those 100 lives thing, it's just an another dream inside God's mind, you can go straight to God (you). Believing into those reincarnation things only limit you.

There are different ways of understanding what is meant by "reincarnation". The Hindus will tell you one thing, the Theravada Buddhists will tell you another thing and the Zen Buddhists will tell you something else altogether. The way I understand reincarnation is that every time you identify yourself with a particular form, you are being reincarnated. You believe there was a past "you", don't you? And you also believe that you will go on into the future, no? If you think that there is a continuous "you", you are being reincarnated. Because you identify with a certain pattern. This pattern is the foundation of your illusory sense of self, it's what you identify with. Imagine a river. This river is constantly flowing along, never the same. You could say "there is no such thing as 'a river', there's only the continuous flowing pattern". And if you think there is "a river" (even as "a continuous pattern of flow"), the river is being reincarnated, you see? Just in the same way, if you think that there is a flowing form that "you are" (i.e. you identify yourself with) and that is in some way fixed and continuous like the river, that is your reincarnation. But if you see through the illusion of time and you stop identifying yourself with any particular form, you're liberated from reincarnation (Samsara). You see that you were never born, you're not alive now, and you will never die. Edit: That's much rather a Mahayana Buddhist understanding of reincarnation. The literal sense of a soul being reincarnated into a body is both the Hindu and the Western understanding of it, but both are founded on the belief of a soul being inside a body.

How does the energetic body/soul even find a baby and align with it? I mean why did organisms evolve to make empty husks for these souls? At first I thought that energetic body also just forms as material body forms, that's how souls come into existence. However, when baby is in womb, these souls become that body's energetic body and connect themselves to it until death(That's what I have seen in every model of reincarnation so far). I am gonna be honest though, I have no idea how reincarnation ties in with this. How does a soul even connect to material bodies, and why is that even normal?

Sober experience, for the most part, by the way. I am infinitely ignorant and enlightened, life by life, incarnation by incarnation, for infinity. and ultimately, that lead to the realization that when I die will merge with the formless for eternity. There’s no care to try to convince any of you of a experience that is 100% transcendent and personal/unverifiable unless you do the work. Even then, this may not happen for you cause it’s not your path? Idfk who cares, lol. Humor is coming back rapidly, and god is changing everybody in my immediate life on radical radical levels. detoxed my body and all this spiritual energy has unleashed to infinity. Love other. Love yourself. Love reality. The rest will result in more love than you could ever ask for or handle. Namaste bitchez.?

So I just had a MIND BLOWING AMAZING Mushroom Trip, I realized that I was God all along , I am literally love itself, as Alan Watts said, I am it, and for the first time ever, I felt it. I felt like I know the secret: Love. It was love all along <3 As amazing as this felt , I felt the best I have ever felt in my entire life. However, now I don't how to word this: Do other people exist ? What are my family ? Are they beings equivalent to me ? Are they me? Are we all souls walking each other home on this plane called Life / Lila ? I love everyone, But what is behind other people ? Is there a paradox that I am missing ? When I have fun with friends or a loving meal with my family, is there anyone loving it with me ? Is this the cost of enlightenment? , Is it right that God would feel lonely on Earth ? If I die , do my family still live on Earth ? Is there beings that still go on this Journey after me ? Is reincarnation real? I would LOVE ADVICE , Thanks so much

Knew you were gonna say that. Took years to get that nonduality is all that is, and there is no reincarnation, and yet I’m talking with ‘dead’ people standing right in front of me, which are much more ‘real’ as in vivid etc, than ‘regular real’, so to speak. The issue with communicating this goes back to the thoughts. When you’re reading what I’m saying thoughts arise, and the direct experience pointed to can’t be thought. But can be experienced. The movies Interstellar and The Arrival are more or less about this.

well, we live in a world of crazed, superficial people, where it is almost impossible not to become a very stupid neurotic, and the more stupid, the smarter you think you are. a world of crazy teenagers, another world of slaves of the industrial revolution, and another of hopeless wretches, all of them prisoneers of the ego. Almost better be the miserable than the rich. The truth is that it does not seem very beautiful, for me better being born in the Paleolithic and dying at 17, but this is what there is, so let's make the most of it and pray that there is no reincarnation, if not, statistically, in the giveaway gon 'get you some horrible shit

thanks Brandon, soo, with that point of yours , let's say... i have several mystical enlightenment experiences and along the way... i die. so does that means we get to start where i stopped or do i have to start afresh on a new life..( this is in the light of the belief that reincarnation as a soul exists at the level of duality tho it is illusory and non existent in a higher perspective of non -duality)

Well it's possible that you reincarnate into another plane of existence in the same body, like heaven for christian. Doesn't change the fact that you as God is imagining that too, as so many other beliefs like reincarnation in Buddhism. It doesn't matter what happens after death, it's still something you imagine, cause nothing else exist than imagination Now I see a lot of people conflating the absolute versus the relative, it's fair to assume than when the body dies, the ego associated with it dies too, and that's a legit thing to be scared about (spiritual bypassing this by holding a non dual belief isn't helping you in any way). What we're saying is that you can realize you're not the ego, and therefore death isn't so scary anymore, cause it's just an event inside infinity/God/You.

I can hear the reincarnation of Joshu in this post.

I remember when I was in school, the teacher would shout at us and tell us that we were the worst generation that she saw. My father has the same memory. So, it's either that every generation is worse than before, or that reincarnation is real

What do actualizers think of the movie Soul? https://youtu.be/1gjrVACqo2w How accurate is that scene? Does the ego remain intact enough to fear the godhead or cling to certain aspects of the previous life such that one avoids the return to source? Another possibility is reincarnation being an archonic trap. I’ve seen several sources warn to avoid the light at the end of the tunnel because we’re tricked into thinking it’s the great beyond but actually it’s just the outside of vagina number 8,248,957,661. That this is done to trick us into coming back over and over so malevolent forces can feed on our soul. It makes sense from a logical stance because why the hell would anyone wish to keep returning to a planet packed full of unfathomable levels of misery and suffering? If the goal was to come back to assist in the salvation of others, wouldn’t it be better to join a benevolent alien race like the Pleadians or Arcturians so you can help from a vantage point?

You've died an infinite amount of times already you just can't remember cause time and memory is something you're imagining too. You could alternatively say you're immortal reshaping yourself into infinite experiences and point of views. Forget about what buddhists say, this reincarnation into "lesser" beings and stuff can be true relatively speaking (as in it can happens), but ultimately it's just another thing they are imagining by being dogmatic about it. Even if it's true, not only you won't remember anything, but also it's not like a cow is more important than a human being in the ultimate sense either, so it's just stupid ego game in the first place to not act a certain way cause you could be reborn into something judged lesser from some dogmatic religion (Buddhism is a religion). It also prove they don't know what they are talking about, cause if you truly understand what infinity means, even just conceptually, of course you'll be reborn as a cow or whatever at some point, it's all happening at the same time (except there is no time, but I don't know how to write this differently ) lol

I am curious as to what happens when you die, after you become infinite love and oneness. Here are some interesting questions that I have been pondering. Is reincarnation true? if so how long does it take after being in universal oneness without any form before you take a form? What determines how long you are in universal oneness without any form before being assigned a form identity? I remember at a buddhist event I attended, it was said that if you do bad karma in this lifetime, your chances of becoming a human in your next lifetime are slimmer. Is that true? What determines if/when you do reincarnate, what form you will take? Is it possible to be born into a human form with an extreme high level/ god-like consciousness, remembering past lifetimes? How rare is it be assigned a human identity form after you die and merge into infinite oneness? How long does the process take? If you get enlightened/high level of consciousness in this lifetime, will you naturally have a higher level of consciousness in your next lifetime? Is that why some people are born more spiritually gifted than others?

as tempting as it is to believe in reincarnation, i have to stick with i don't know if this just happened and thats it or not

Infinity does not imply we will live out the same life eternally. You are already living an infinite life now, why would you have to live it out again? Specially when outside of your life time does not exist. No one holds the answer to if reincarnation exists or not. Though, I once believed very strongly what he said. I no longer do. I realized it was a very strong self delusion as the majority of my awakening experiences were. To be more specific, the way the ego interfaces with reality is that it will always show you what you believe in. It will always give you confirmation bias. Everything that happens to you, would not happen if you didn't think it was possible. Anything is possible, so that means your reality is just whatever delusions of beliefs you have manifesting into reality and we call this existence. This also makes everything extremally relative even if we are One. Do not believe what others tell you, even what I'm saying now. But, don't reject everything as well lol. Matthew put it well so I won't repeat too much of what he said.

Reincarnation complicates this timeless singularity. If you die, you won’t be able to tell anyone, including yourself, what it’s like. And the one who dies will be recognized as never having been, so no one dies. Reincarnation is a story for the continuation of the I. Everything said about it is completely just story telling. If memory-continuity is not maintained between lifetimes, clearly no one reincarnates, this is just what appears, and its nature is as veiled as time is experienced as real.