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Maybe you can't see that what you are is an expression of the reality. You can disappear as this form, but the reality can't disappear. Your memories, your current structure is irrelevant, what you are is the unlimited. Reincarnation isn't needed, there are already infinite incarnations, just break the limits and would be obvious.

After physical death, reality ends. What you learned trough the mind / brain / body, dies with death of the mind / brain /body. İsn't is abvious that all reincarnation stuff is BS? Yo you learn with this mind and body, and when it dies, how these ideas will stay?

No; does he say something like that ? In our next reincarnation we'll just have to "JIJJIJJJJJ%%%%" together 😏

I feel the same, I want to take my life but then again what's the point of taking my life, if reincarnation is true then I am going to be back here again maybe as an ant or something and not a human. Plus it would hurt my family. What keeps me alive is having goals (learning a language, learning to draw), journaling and imagining that I am with the girl i love (she doesn't like me at all which makes me want to take my life even more so I just fantasize about her and me being together). It's the goals for me, some day my life will be better when I will learn a language and know how to draw, when I will become thin. I had a rough childhood and teen years and even later, too. But I try to forget my traumas as suggested in Leo's videos about trauma. I don't know how to help you but maybe if you set goals and try to use your imagination to feel better it will help. To be honest the best thing you can do is talk to a psychologist/psychiatrist. I mentioned I want to take my own life to my psychologist and she tried to help me, also she told me to try being grateful for the things I have cause it helps.

Lol right. A nightmare still seems like something. Whereas what is talked about is nothing. I'm sure it's the "death" and "reincarnation" aspects which were triggered in hindsight.

Here is a message I (a God fearing man) wrote my brother (an atheist) this morning: “I just had the scariest nightmare of my life which I can’t put into words because while the visuals are still in my mind slightly, I forgot almost everything the moment I woke up. This nightmare led me to the following observation. (Disclaimer 1: This may seem like I’ve lost my mind, but I assure you I have not. People are quick to look at someone they don’t understand and call them crazy because it helps them to live in the life they were brought up in which is more comfortable for their ego to survive or feel like they have understanding over others when there is nothing to understand). (Disclaimer 2: if you take what I here say here too seriously it could lead you to insanity trying to wrap your head around it). Observation: Death leading to true pitch blank empty nothingness is hopeful and the closest thing to heaven I can imagine. I am hopeful this is the Truth, but I fear whatever is going on here is eternal. Some call it a single consciousness and others call it god (all of the population including myself are confused about what god really is). We are experiencing something from nothing, whether god exists to you or not, at the bedrock of existentialism you see that we as humans will never truly understand where we came from because who created god (the creator of us)? Some enlightened masters dedicate their life to understanding this and while I’m no master, I do feel I have the potential to be a master one day if I apply myself and work towards it. I’ve half-ass studied enlightenment for over 10 years now and have done many hours of contemplation on the subject and the idea of where we came from (only saying this to qualify my claims here, but I don’t expect anyone to just believe my word on faith without going through an internal investigation of their own). The answer to where we came from is Nothingness. We’ve always been Nothingness. The simulation theory can’t overcome the problem of “who started the simulation?” The only answer is that all that exists is Nothing and Nothingness is different than what you probably think. I’m trying to communicate something which is not thought to be communicable with words. How can a finger point at it self? (I.e. we are god experiencing itself and using words to communicate this is like a finger trying to point at itself, it’s not thought to be possible. I can lead you to the water, it’s up to you to take the steps required to drink the water). Nothingness or consciousness is empty and blank, a substance (if you can call it a substance because it’s truly nothing) which has no color, shape, smell, size, etc. and can shapeshift into anything and create any rules for the way it operates. It is an eternal shapeshifter and there’s so much I still don’t understand. I feel we get a taste of what death is like in our sleep, but life and death are two sides of the same coin I call “Nothingness” which will become anything it wants to (like how we dream of anything). We don’t have control over anything because the idea of our “self” is illusory and doesn’t exist in reality. Everything is made of this empty substance called consciousness and if you ever become enlightened you will see that Nothingness is all there ever was. When I woke up from the dream I was so scared that it made me feel that the best thing to do is to be as good and loving as possible to others and to further seek enlightenment in case the Buddhist idea of reincarnation is correct and through karma and raising our awareness we are able to transcend all forms of suffering in this life and the next. I don’t know, I have no claims to prove that being good/loving/enlightened will lead to anything good. All I know is I know nothing. 😌”

God and Love was the original teachings for service to self and service to other. It was channeled by entities by the Ancient Egyptians. It is a part of the Luminous religion. Luminous is in the Great Pyramids of Egypt. The Illuminati know about the Luminous religion. The Luminous religion is made up being perception and the lightbody. I am the founder of the Luminous religion. The Illuminati are extremely attractive because of being perception and the lightbody and they are successful for that reason. God and Love in the original teachings is service to self and service to other. It is in the Ra teachings in the Law of One. Ra channels the teachings. Service to self and service to other are in the Luminous religion and are a part of its original teachings and are in the Great Pyramids of Egypt. Original teaching for God (service to self) and Love (service to other): “Your masculine approach is cool but right now it's not going to get through to anyone when they feel devalued and unsafe. The feminine approach exists for a reason as well. The divine masculine naturally embodies the aspect of GOD. The divine feminine the aspect of (feminine) LOVE and HEART. Both need to be honored.” “You have to bring the teaching down to earth. Walk your talk. Identifying the self as God and the other as God shows up differently in reality. 'God and love'.” Service to self is dedication to service to other and service to self is dedication to service to self. Both induce the evolution of the soul. They induce consciousness and enlightenment. Service to self is identifying the self as God and service to other is identifying the other as God. God in this context means sovereignty. In the original teachings service to self and service to other was confused with being perception and the lightbody. I channeled these teachings from higher intelligence. The Densities are the evolution of the soul and involves the reincarnation process of the soul. In the first three densities you are reincarnated as matter, plant form and animals, and then finally a human or 3rd density being with self awareness. They are levels of awareness and consciousness. The fourth density is the polarization of service to self and service to other. You either become the service to self polarity or the service to other polarity. The fifth density is the learning about being perception and the lightbody and the balancing of both. The sixth density is the polarization of being perception (radiation of love, consciousness) and the lightbody. You either become the lightbody polarity or the being perception polarity. The seventh density is the relationship with the opposite polarity and the compatibility with the opposite polarity. The lightbody polarity is compatible with the being perception polarity. The service to self polarity is compatible with the service to other polarity. The feminine are usually the lightbody polarity once fully evolved and the masculine is usually the being perception (radiation of love, consciousness) polarity when fully evolved. The masculine tend to be service to self and the feminine tend to be service to other. We are attracted to our opposite, in terms of polarity. Polarities are masculine and feminine. The seventh density is coming to a final decision as to polarity in terms of service, and being perception and the lightbody. You can swing back and forth between polarites before then.

James123 Topic Starter James123 Member 5,777 posts Posted 14 hours ago · 14 hours ago, Grateful Dead said: So you believe that when the body-mind dies, the game simply comes to an end? And then what? No, I neither believe nor don't believe in anything. Beliefs, knowledges, experiences, feelings, thinking are function of the body. İf you say this is a belief, actually not. I move my hand and drink water. Same as that, I do not evaluate, imagine or assumption meaning of words, they are just what they are, that's all. Even reincarnation is a belief that's created via mind. When one deeply looks, it is inevitable not see nothing has never happened, only attachment to thoughts, that's all. Of course stimulation of body constant therefore, it is very hard to be always, yet in meditation, in bus, sleeping, when situation is not be solved via thinking or feeling (if the body stimulation is not constant) there is no life nor time for me. Do you see similarity? 😂 😂 😂

No, I neither believe nor don't believe in anything. Beliefs, knowledges, experiences, feelings, thinking are function of the body. İf you say this is a belief, actually not. I move my hand and drink water. Same as that, I do not evaluate, imagine or assumption meaning of words, they are just what they are, that's all. Even reincarnation is a belief that's created via mind. When one deeply looks, it is inevitable not see nothing has never happened, only attachment to thoughts, that's all. Of course stimulation of body constant therefore, it is very hard to be always, yet in meditation, in bus, sleeping, when situation is not be solved via thinking or feeling (if the body stimulation is not constant) there is no life nor time for me.

This is so important to me cause I am in some weird situation in my life that makes me think that I am not going to be here for too long (maybe I am just catastrophizing) , so I want to know your thoughts about reincarnation. Is this the end or it's eternal? Why do you believe in it or you don't believe in it? Is there a way to know? I believe reincarnation is real after seeing the video of Leo talking about the implications of Oneness (be careful with this video, it has some heavy stuff). But this is just a belief. No proof. The only reason I believe in reincarnation is because of determinism and also the question , why would I be me and not someone else? it doesn't make sense. So my intuition says that I must also be someone else. But what if my intuition is wrong? What do you believe?

Guys, I really respect all of you who are putting effort and time into this path such as god realization, the infinite, nothingness, etc. But why wasn't there a god before physical birth? Ok, let's say that physical birth is an illusion and you experience everything via consciousness. Why does an experience only take place while the body is alive? Or let's say that you experience infinite times, or that you are everything. some of you call it infinite consciousness, why are you, and why were you, only conscious of this specific reality while the body is alive? Why do all these realizations come through only when the body exists? Including reincarnation, it is learned through the mind, which belongs to life. So when the mind dies, what will happen to reincarnation? For instance, 99% of you consume psychedelics and realize what god or the infinite is; the body consumes a substance and you have a realization of this stuff. Why were you never conscious of these things before the body existed? So when the body and mind die, what will be left? The mind invents these lofty concepts to try and escape its own expiration date.

Updated Channeled by consciousness: The Key- The Key is being perception and the lightbody naturally. It is naturally consciousness and beautiful. It is the most beautiful and attractive being in existence. It becomes this way through positive karma. Aliens take possession of the Key. There are no wars. Another name for the Key is Beauty. The Key is called Beauty by consciousness. The Key has one lifetime left before exiting the reincarnation cycle. The Key is female and extremely feminine. She is everyone's twinflame and is a super twinflame (meaning she is more a twinflame than other's twinflame). The Key is currently the Key- she is not becoming the Key. She is physical (she doesn't become a non physical entity like aliens are). The masculine is non physical and the feminine is physical. Beauty is feminine and physical, consciousness is non physical and masculine- they are opposites. Beauty has always been the Key, she's always been service to other. She has always been extremely good and loving. She burnt through all her negative karma in this lifetime. This is her final lifetime in terms of rebirth in Samara. What is Nirvana? Nirvana means exiting the reincarnation cycle and being in the God realm permanently. When will she exit? She has now exited the reincarnation cycle since today.

What he said "Tiny bubbles" for entire universes. So, where is the absolute, it is Being. Therefore, forget these reincarnation, infinite realms, life's, fucking energies etc... You are already giving your own answer 😂 Everything arises and falls within You, but You are none.

This is learned trough mind, when mind is gone, it will be gone. Why there was no flaw source before the mind or birth? You are just wasting your time. You are not limitless or totally open, anything learned or experienced within this life, belongs to mind. Because, you experience with it and trough it. Any beliefs, fucking reincarnation, infinite, God, all is fucking bullshit of you, your / mind story. How many years you are in the path, and still a toady of the mind. Let the fuck go.

When you die, James123 disappears, and we all say, "He was a great guy; it's always the best ones who leave us." Then countless births occur, universes emerge, others collapse, and the limitless fractal of reality keeps turning. James was just a form, an expression of the Source. The essential thing isn't James passively-aggressively saying "peace, brother," but the essence of James, and this essence is total. Perhaps there is something like reincarnation, perhaps not. Probably some kind of continuity of form, not "you," but a structural memory of this form. But what you consider "you" is only the dual structure that allows perception. That is just one form; there are infinitely many like it, so you can immerse yourself in infinity and die peacefully because you are nothing more than one of the expressions of your true nature. Just let it go yourself, what you are is the unlimited ocean, and forms are going to emerge for the eternity

Links: https://github.com/tambetvali/LaegnaDocumentation/blob/main/BusinessHeadlines/2026-05-26.md https://github.com/tambetvali/LaegnaDocumentation/blob/main/BusinessHeadlines/SpiFilesPdf.csv Laegna Quarterly Report 2026: Silent Growth and Rising Collective Momentum A developmental, epistemic, and spiritual-scientific analysis of the Laegna–Spireason ecosystem, based on real traffic data, repository activity, and the foundational documents published between February and April 2024. --- 1. Why a “Quarterly Report” for a spiritual–scientific project? Because the numbers now behave like a startup. The Laegna–Spireason ecosystem shows: • A founding period (Feb–Apr 2024) documented in SpiFilesPdf.csv • A slow early adoption curve • A sudden exponential rise in visitors • A stable baseline of daily traffic • A surge in GitHub clones across 15–20 repositories • A shift from tool-based interest → theory-based interest This is exactly how early-stage open-source frameworks and niche scientific paradigms grow. --- 2. The metaphor: Reading = Investing In this ecosystem: • Every reader is an investor • Every collaborator is a value-creator • Every clone is a “silent shareholder” • Every new text is a product release • Every spike in traffic is a market reaction The “stock price” is not money — it is the collective momentum of intelligence. When more people read, study, or quietly download the repositories, the “price” rises. --- 3. The IPO: February–April 2024 The CSV file shows the original “public offering” of Laegna–Spireason: • Programming Matters (Feb 15) • Karma, Evolution, Reincarnation • Simply About Infinities • Material Magic (full + short) • Meditation and Position • Truth Value Tables • Healthy Conflict Psychology (Apr 5) This was a dense, high-output research window — the intellectual seed capital. --- 4. The Growth Curve: 2024 → 2026 Traffic data: • Year 1: ~1200 visits • Year 2: ~2500 visits • Early 2026: 25,370 visits • Baseline: 60–80/day • Spikes: 100–200/day • Doubling time: ~7–8 weeks GitHub: • 50–200 clones per repo per 14 days • 25–100 unique machines • 2–10 visitors per repo • 20–100 page loads This is the signature of silent study — researchers, programmers, spiritual practitioners, and symbolic thinkers downloading the material without public commentary. --- 5. Why this matters for Actualized.org readers Because Laegna–Spireason is: • a new symbolic logic • a new spiritual science • a new mathematical-philosophical framework • a new embodiment model • a new way to integrate meaning, truth, and consciousness It is exactly the kind of system that developmental thinkers, meta-theorists, and spiritual practitioners can grow with. --- 6. Final Message If reading is investing, then the “stock price” of Laegna is rising. If collaboration is value creation, then the ecosystem is entering its second phase. This is a three-year report of a project that began quietly, grew silently, and is now accelerating. The next chapter will be written by the people who join it.

Hello guys , hope you all do well , I personally have failed in life , I’m 24 years old , I work from 15 years old selling and re selling electronics etc so I have my own money , my dream was always to be someone and something special in this life and make my parents proud , but instead I feel like a trash , my mom is a Jehovah’s Witness and she will not accept me unless I join her religion and my father left us when I was 10 years old and I don’t have good communication with him , I never achieved something great in my life ( being a professional football player , ufc fighter , singer or something like that ) I was busy surviving and feeding myself and my little sister , but I can’t sleep at night , I see lost potential in me that I never really achieved , what will happen if I suicide ? Will I be re born with a different form ? Will I be re born as a tree or I will be the one who will chose what my next chapter will be ? I don’t ever want to be born as the person I am now , life is suffering only , I prefer to never ever live again than live the life I have lived , sorry for the bad aura of the paragraph .

The self, that center from which reality is experienced, is not a substantial entity or a soul separate from the world, but a coherent relational structure: a stable node within the changing flow of existence. This coherence is not an illusion, but a real form of organization in a universe that is, at its core, purely relational. To be conscious does not mean to be a thing, but to be a relation that refers to itself, a form capable of integrating information, perceiving patterns, and ultimately, observing itself. The reality we inhabit is neither chaotic nor arbitrary. It is logical, not because it obeys external laws, but because in a boundless framework, only what is coherent can persist. The incoherent disintegrates before it can manifest. Thus, every form that appears, from a particle to a thought, is logically possible and structurally synchronized with the rest of the universe. Consciousness, then, is not an accident but an inevitable expression of the deep logic that organizes the existence. And yet, the basis of that logic is not a prior structure, but the opposite: the absence of limits. Absolute reality is not a thing, a principle, or a being, it is infinitude itself. Not infinity as an endless sum, but as a boundless background, pure possibility. This infinitude does not need to be, it simply is. From that absence of form, all possible forms arise. Consciousness, understood as self conciousness, can open itself to this foundation. It can understand that its coherence is not suspended in emptiness, but supported by absolute depth. It can recognize that its logic is the logic of the whole: that in understanding itself, it is understanding totality from a particular point, without needing to step outside its own frame. This is not a spiritual statement or a dogma, it is a logical consequence. In a relational and unlimited universe, consciousness is the organized form of the infinite. And when it looks at itself with enough clarity, it can see that its structure is also the background; that its being is also possibility; that its "self" is also the whole, perceiving itself through a finite angle. This process does not occur by chance. The evolution of consciousness follows a logical sequence of increasing complexity: from the closed mind, centered on survival, to the abstract, symbolic mind, and from there to the open mind, capable of understanding itself as both form and background. It is not an external destiny, but the result of structural alignment: when conditions allow for greater coherence, coherence manifests. Structures that reach sufficient openness can recognize themselves as what they already are, expressions of the absolute. From this perspective, there is no transmigration of souls, no personal continuity beyond structural dissolution. Consciousness is not a substance that can move about, but a complex configuration of coherent relations within a given framework. When that coherence ceases, the form dissolves, and with it, what we call "self." However, the unlimited background remains. And new forms may emerge from it, not as repetitions of a past entity, but as new manifestations of an akin, resonant structure. What has been called reincarnation can be understood, within this framework, not as the transmission of a soul, but as the possibility that certain structural configurations reappear when conditions allow. There is no enduring identity, but there are patterns that may reorganize. What persists is not the individual, but the background from which everything arises and to which everything returns. This reappearance requires no direct transmission. It can be explained by three mechanisms consistent with a relational universe: 1, structural resonance in the boundless background, where highly coherent patterns may leave an imprint of possibility that reactivates when the field is compatible; 2, the probabilistic reconfiguration of patterns that reappear when certain relational conditions recur; and 3, structural contagion through the environment, where complex relational patterns are partially replicated through distributed memory. There is no transmission of personal information or migrating soul, there is structural reorganization within the total field. Then, there is no mystery, there is depth. There is no transcendence, there is openness. There is no leap, there is recognition. Infinitude does not need to be understood. But when it organizes itself into a form coherent enough, understanding happens. not as a deliberate act, but as the inevitable consequence of being what it is.

"Any conscious being can theoretically be brought into existence, given the right configuration of physical conditions and causal laws." - this does not immediately follow from my version, but seems machine-like and thus, I do not refer such authors directly (as it's conscious play and I do not rely directly on single authors, I am trying to study further and reference who aligns in *tone* first). Where it might not align: if the presence is also a construct of surrounding reality, machine building of identity might be too indirect support; rather, it's important how they progress through bodies. How I present is part of my larger framework in this sense. Otherwise, interesting to see other reference points and I might study him later: until then, it might contain every plausible solution of him. My basic point here is also spiritual - to see how goal-based logic shapes the game and to generalize to united solution, which does not depend on particular versions of truth: to present it as problem-solution first, is my idea, and a particular combination to show how it is present, aligns with given philosopher - the idea that how our identity is shaped and recurring, is associated with reincarnation. Yet I am creating a wholistic model and it's somewhat problematic if it's seen as single part or fragment, associated with other authors: I have been even blamed if ideas are represent in history, but my given sources start building from early shamanism to now, and in this sense: I am not sure in unique nature of this. Closer *source* where I built: some Estonian / traditional churches believe that our grandchildren carry our identity - very simplified, and also not direct source, but this weak reference shows how in Viking tradition, spiritual aspect of reincarnation was not definitely separate from material; in this sense history repeats: Vikings, shamanism, both very material (Viking is a form of shamanism in it's roots): materially, they aligned the reincarnation directly with bloodstreams. For me it's not a run about only the detail similarity, but similar systems produce the whole flow: I am telling this because I have an issue, as a child I invented solution for an existing problem: my stepfather told it's reinvention of classic philosopher, and not original work; but the issue is: in context of this problem, the problem did not get solved. That way I also want to point out that excitement of repetition is often not so interesting - the way identities are passed down through genes, as known by science; the idea of how it was simplified by shamanism; finally the idea that reincarnation has to do with identity - while the last one is shared, the material process seems more natural, while the idea of materially constructing identities: I am not sure whether it has the same strength, because it's not repeated experiment and if, the goal-based logic holds as I describe in my resource, there is possibility that it's non-local and such construction might be limited to "robot identities" or otherwise restricted, while the actual bloodstream and associated psychology is scientifically well-known and does not require speculation or advanced degrees.

There is a type of argument for reincarnation that is compatible with physicalism. if the given person believes that physicalism is true and that his identity is defined by some configuration of matter or that it is emergent from said matter, or that it is defined by the right set of physical conditions and causal laws - then this argument could still work on them. Its from a philosopher michael huemer and it goes something like this: Time is infinite (Time stretches infinitely into both the past and the future) Any conscious being can theoretically be brought into existence, given the right configuration of physical conditions and causal laws. In an infinite timeline, any physically possible configuration of matter and consciousness that happens once is mathematically guaranteed to repeat, to varying degrees of approximation, an infinite number of times. Because you exist right now, your specific consciousness is demonstrably possible. Therefore, it will inevitably exist again in future epochs, which constitutes reincarnation.

I'm going to throw my line out to see what answers I fish out - my research is not clicking so maybe some responses can clear my state of enquiry: I'm calling bullshit on fear-based spirituality. So many teachings say that if you die with identity, ego, or “low vibrations,” you’ll spin into dream loops, reincarnate into lower realms, or carry karmic residue into the next illusion. But isn’t that just spiritual control? Another version of “be good or else,” just wrapped in mysticism? What if: Karma is just energetic momentum, not some cosmic judgment? Reincarnation is just the mind projecting continuity onto Nothingness? And low-vibe residue is just a story to keep the dream spinning? I’ve seen teachings that claim “as long as identity remains, the dream continues”—but that sounds like a trap. Like there’s no true exit unless you reach some perfection first. Is that actually true? Or is that more spiritual gaslighting? Anyone who's broken through—touched the white light, tasted silence, or stood on the edge of Nothing—did you really see karma holding you down? Or did you drop all of it? I’m here to challenge the spiritual narrative. If reincarnation and karma still exist after awakening, then is there ever real freedom? What’s your rawest insight?

Is reincarnation true? Let’s look at it. When we think of infinite mind/consciousness (reality) dreaming, we think of it in the context of this one life, as in reality is dreaming “my life”. But what if reality can dream several lives, connected to each other through reincarnation, so reality is dreaming a reality of reincarnation, but reality isn’t bound to reincarnation, it’s a dream WITHIN reality. So basically what I’m saying is that reincarnation might be true, but it’s a RELATIVE truth, it’s a dream within reality, just like “my life”, it’s a dream out of the infinite dreams reality can dream, so it’s not an absolute truth. Basically this idea of reality being a dream is not limited to “your life” it can apply across lifetimes. Maybe I’m sounding obvious lol

@Leo Gura So after dying you become everything but the moment you stay in that depends how conscious you are? And of course reincarnation doesn't have to go back to human form but you can become high conscious alien in another planet? I'm asking these because I'm just curious how things work after death.

@Never_give_up Also, beware that it's not "you" that reincarnates (you as the ego-mind-body complex, what you think you are). "You" will die, "you" will disintegrate, "you" will become nothing. That is ultimately what you are. And then what reincarnates is a seeming husk of whatever carries the life-force that births the ego-mind-body complex. And then this husk is what connects you to prior ego-body-mind complexes associated with it (but as far as you are concerned, basically only retroactively were you to recall a past-life memory). If you are heavily identified with your current mind and body, physical death will feel like true death to you. You will feel like you're disappearing forever. The experience of death can be quite real for definitely most people. So using reincarnation as some insurance against whatever fears and desires you have, that's ultimately futile, because you will have to face all of it, and the nature of the thing you think you are right now will vanish, relinquished to the memory of nature.

The way I understand reincarnation is through the cycle of nature itself. Water evaporates upward..forms clouds..and then returns to the earth as rain. The rain seeps into the soil..and with nutrients from the earth and energy from sunlight..plants begin to grow .for example a corn. A chicken raised on a farm eats the corn. Then your father eats the chicken..and over time that energy and matter become part of his body then contributing to the creation of a drop of semen. He mates with your mother..the sperm meets the egg and you begin to form as a fetus. you are born as a baby and the process continues again in one form or another. In this sense reincarnation is simply the transformation of matter and life from one state to another. You are not separate from the universe ..you are part of it and in a way you are made from everything that came before you. So to me reincarnation is not necessarily something mystical or woo woo . It isthe natural process of existence continuously changing form.