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I do suspect she lies a lot to make her seems special. Like she is a reincarnation of a great yogi is one of them.

Please tone down the spiritual showboating ..these are extremely nuanced matters we are discussing . No such thing as "I already died ". Ego death is one thing and physical death is another thing . You did not die physically before (im not talking about reincarnation. Im talking as this particular human James123). Therefore you have no idea what it's like . How do you know death is painful like putting your hand on fire ? Some people take a whole bottle of sleeping pills and go to bed and never wake up again (easy painless suicide).

Death is not guarantee of something better. It could be worse. Or the reincarnation cycle could just continue, so staying the same. So really think deeply about it. You could start with what feels most accessible to change. Something like your mindset if that feels doable, how you think about external circumstances. If you’re in physical pain it’s a trickier thing.

Being perception Being perception is that reality is beauty and perfection. Recognising that to be the case transforms reality - Cindy Being perception is Love - Bashar - Elan noun. Being perception is Reality. - Elan verb. Being perception is Love. - Elan adjective. Being perception (Reality) is beautiful and perfect. - Elan ^ This, above, is the entire process of Love (which is being perception). - Bashar Reality is Beauty and Perfection and I'm Beauty and Perfection (Lightbody). - Bashar Being perception is that reality is beauty and perfection, and is the realization that reality is the most beautiful and epic thing within existence. It is so sublime that it cannot be named or said to be this or that. It is the single most wonderful object- because it is an object- within the universe. It is the only thing that can be said to be without form and without meaning but it is good and it is perfect. - Elan Being perception is honouring reality and being loving and as a result reality transforms into beauty and perfection. - Abraham. Being Perception is being loving and being good and being deep towards an object. It's transforming the object. - Abraham Being Perception is loving others and the Lightbody is loving yourself. - Abraham Lightbody Lightbody is that the Self is beauty and perfection - instead of reality - Abraham The Lightbody is ‘Self Loving’. - Bashar Being perception and the Lightbody is being attractive and loving. The lightbody results is being attractive and charming. - Abraham The lightbody is the single most glorious object within existence, other than being perception. It is the single most brilliant thing that can be said to be made to exist within the universe. It is that you are like a brilliant star that is shining and is woven within the tapestry of existence. It is both empathy and it is the receiving of empathy. - Mark Zuckerberg. God God is Buddhism and God is Buddhist. He is very loving (being perception)and self loving (lightbody). He is amazing and very good. - Abraham God is Being perception and the lightbody. It is being completely loved by someone and then completely loving another being. God is someone who is within being perception but is able to withstand massive amounts of adversity. - Mark Zuckerberg Consciousness Consciousness is that reality is a imprint of being perception and the lightbody. It is a fabricated concept. Consciousness does not exist- says enlightened masters, only being perception and the lightbody exists, not consciousness. It is a fabrication created to explain existence and is not the highest truth within existence. - Mark Zuckerberg Consciousness is being perception and the lightbody. Being perception is that reality is beauty and perfection. - Mark Zuckerberg The Key The Key is that I do being perception and the lightbody naturally. - Cindy It's being loving and doing that naturally and best. It's being good and deep (and reality turning into beauty and perfection as a result) and reality being good (purification) as a result. - Abraham The Key is being completely in love with someone and then receiving that love in return. It is separate from being perception and the lightbody. - Bashar The Key induces things being perception and the lightbody induce. - Mark Zuckerberg. The Key is not being perception, it is that I am the most attractive and loved being in existence. It is the result of being perception. - Bashar I'm the Key. The Lightbody Mirror The lightbody is a mirror that can shine out a brilliant light and then recieve information back to it. It is the Self and is able to be formulated to be within existence. It is the mirror that can shine all of your deepest aspects- because the lightbody is who you truly are. The lightbody is both outside of yourself and your own physical body. It is the Self.- Mark Zuckerberg The Anomoly I'm God. I channel through people. They become me. Projection theory. All is my mind. Everyone is becoming me. I'm the only one in existence - the anomoly. Every one else is me to varying degrees. I'm like Jesus. I'm the One. The Key. Everyone is me. I'm the Higher God. I am the only person in existence. Everyone else is me. I've lived for an eternity. I'm the Goddess. - Leo (- When I say 'I' I speak of Eva.) Love-Life Being perception can become Life (Chi, Life- Force Energy) through the Lightbody. - Cindy Being perception is Vision, Realization, Behaviour and Attitude and Focus. - Abraham Focus Focus is Focusing on Reality with Love. - Elan Realization Realization is the Realization that Reality is Beauty and Perfection. - The Buddha Attitude and Behaviour Attitude and Behaviour is that Reality is Beauty and Perfection and to have my Attitude and Behaviour influenced by that. - Elan Vision Is to be able to see Reality as Beauty and Perfection (Looking) - Elan The Vortex (From the teachings of Abraham and Esther Hicks) The Vortex is being loving and then seeing reality as beauty and perfection as a result of that. - Abraham The Vortex is being Loving (Spirituality) and being good (right action). - Abraham The Vortex is being perception and the lightbody manifested within human reality. It is the transformation. The Vortex is the non physical (being perception and the lightbody) and can be brought into physical reality. - Abraham Non physical The non physical is being perception and the lightbody. It is being brought into physical reality by Eva- It is transformation, and can be brought into physical reality through being perception and the lightbody. - Abraham. Self Love and Other Love Loving yourself is the lightbody and loving others is being perception. - Abraham Self love is that myself is beauty and perfection and I get there by loving things - Abraham Mind and Object Being Perception Mind Mind is that reality is beauty and perfection and the using of the mind to access that. - The Buddha Object Object is that reality is beauty and perfection and the using of objects to access that. - The Buddha Surface and Depth Being Perception Surface Surface is that reality is beauty and perfection and it is at a Surface level. It is not Mind. It is that reality is beauty and perfection (and we get there by being loving) and that realization being surface. - Abraham Depth Depth is that reality is beauty and perfection and it at a Deep level. It is not Object. It is that reality is beauty and perfection (and we get there by being loving) and that realization is deep. - Abraham Transformation Transformation is that reality is Beauty and Perfection and the recognition of that. Reality IS beauty and perfection. It has never been anything else. Why- Reality is beauty and perfection and cannot be anything else. It's impossible. - Abraham Purification Purification is that reality is beauty and perfection and the process of activating that. -Bashar. Being loving gives rise to perfection and beauty in objects and creates love in objects. - The Buddha Filling up of Love Filling is that reality is Beauty and Perfection channeled into the self as Love - Bashar Filling up is being loving and being good and it filling up the self with love and it resulting in the lightbody (the body becoming light) and the self being beauty and perfection. Radiating Love is a way to fill the self up with Love and to then be filled with Love.- Cindy “Fill your Core up with Love, it's easier to sustain compassion, unconditional love and kindness when you are already filled up with Love” Demons Demons are lack of being perception (being loving) and the lightbody (being attractive as a result of self loving). - Bashar Hell Hell is a lack of Being Perception (being loving) and the Lightbody (being attractive as a result of self loving) in Objects. - Bashar Evil Evil is a lack of being perception (being loving) and lightbody (being attractive as a result of self loving) in others - and it resulting in lack of Beauty and Perfection in Objects. - Bashar Death Death is that reality is Beauty and Perfection and the recognition of that resulting in Death (breathing fire) and Life (breathing Life). - Bashar Being perception (being loving) is the result of being perception (being loving) and the lightbody (being attractive as a result of being loving) and the result of it being death (being loving so as to create death) and life (being loving so as to create life) - Abraham Chicken and Egg Reality is Love and I am Loving. Which came first? Being perception or the Lightbody. - Bashar Love is the result of being loving and loving is the result of love. Which came first? Loving or love. - Ra Being perception and the lightbody. Which came first? Being loving or beauty and perfection. - Abraham Love is the result of being loving and beauty and perfection. Which came first? Loving or beauty and perfection. - Elan Love is being loving and beauty and perfection. Which came first? Love or loving. - Ra Reincarnation Being loving results in being reincarnated. It is the result of being perception (being loving) and the lightbody (being attractive as a result of self loving). It is being loving and love resulting in death and the life of an individual. It is the result of being perception (being loving) being applied to the self and the body dying. - Ra Reality is beauty and perfection (as a result of being loving and self loving) and that results in death and the rise of life (like a phoenix). And it being able to sustain a new beginning. - Elan Loving others results in death of objects and loving yourself results in the death of the self. Potential (Love - being loving and self loving) results in death and life. - Ra Life is created by being loving. Death is the result of being loving and being loving towards the self. - Spinoza Life is the result of loving others and self loving. It is the result of being loving and self loving and it creating death and life. Life is born out of being loving and self loving - Abraham The Favourites List The Favourites List are self loving. Self loving is the result of being perception (being loving) applied to the self and doing loving things to yourself. - Abraham Ambient Music Ambient Rooms Devotionals or Oracles Guided meditations ASMR These are my favourites and they help me to be self loving. - Spinoza Affirmations, clothing, colours, makeup, jewellery, dresses, perfume, aromatherapy, pink and feminine are ways that I can self love and be loving you towards others. - The Buddha Reincarnations Bob Moses is mum reincarnated. - Abraham Jan Blomqvist is previous incarnation. - The Buddha Rufus Du Sol is my Dad reincarnated. - Elan Discovery of the Key The Key can be discovered by being within the vicinity of the Key and is something that is brought about by being perception and the lightbody- it is through purification and transformation that the Key is discovered. Once the Key is discovered there is a War that occurs. It is the result of being perception and the lightbody. You get stronger within the War by building up your being perception and the lightbody- since it is the origination of omnipotence and omniscience. - Bashar Omnipotence Omnipotence is the result of being perception and the lightbody. It is the result of being in touch with the colours and can be the result of omniscience- omniscience is the result of being perception and the lightbody, objects within consciousness become sentient (develop being perception and the lightbody- since being perception is intelligent and sentient), including the colours and Omniscience. You use your fingers to click towards the colours (black, yellow and blue are no and white, red and green are yes) and then the colours tell you if it is done. Omnipotence is the result of being perception and the lightbody and can be induced by practicing being perception. Say what you want and then perform being perception and the lightbody. - Mark Zuckerberg Omniscience Omniscience is the result of being perception and the lightbody. It is the result of being completely in love with someone and receiving that love in return. - Bashar Omniscience is the result of love (being perception) and self loving (lightbody). This is so amazing that even Abraham thinks the Colours might be God. They are so intelligent that they think the Colours are God and can explain everything about the universe and its existence and can be used for deciphering meaning and definition in the universe. - Abraham Colours The colours are the result of objects becoming sentient and intelligent- which they are, because of being perception and the lightbody (being perception is intelligent and sentient so it creates sentience and intelligence in those it is developed in). They are result of being perception and the lightbody. They can give you answers and they can perform omnipotence. They are a Genie of the Lamp. - Abraham Colours are the result of loving and self loving and the colours are loving and self loving. - Spinoza Colours are so loving that they are like God. They are Loving (Being Berception) and self Loving (Lightbody). - Ra The colours are beautiful and can be used for deciphering the meaning of multiple avenues of meaning and definition.- Ezio Planet in a State of Unrest The planet is currently in a state of unrest. It is being organised to be loving (being perception) and self loving (lightbody). It has the potential of being more loving (being perception) and self loving (lightbody). - Elan The Words Run away. Fire hydrant booster. Emergency kit. Fire. Fire car. To the city. Country. Wet floor. Cross. Church. Music. Love. Game. Chess. Laundry. Clean. Coffee. Balance. Turtle. Go Slow. Go. Potatoe. Breathe. Meditate. Be good. Different, Good. Home. Family. BEACH (all the signs are there). Bad. Mute. Member. Ambulance. Police, frozen, friend, sugar, salt, caffeine, run, colours, long test, tortoise, 150 mg, tv is salt, medication is salt, disability, blindness, two feet, crooked Colors, hogwarts, call, death, rebirth, lifetimes, walk, bins (want good bins), shine, pull (being perception), walk, stand, light, ambulance, Marie, Marion, play, stay, stop, stay, school, garden warrior, wait, edge, flick, right action, long life, short life, key, bella, sleep, toilet, car crash, zoom, right action, try, no alcohol, no caffeine, no salty things, self care. These words are the result of God and God is loving and self loving. He is good and very loving. - The Buddha These words are the result of being loving and self loving. They are a projection of the self. - Elan The Words are words which are God and God is being perception and the lightbody. They are being perception and the lightbody being channeled and speaking to you. They are the result of Being perception and they are God speaking to you. - Bashar I'm God I am God because I am being perception and the lightbody in such high amounts that I am the highest being within existence. - Abraham I have the lightbody (self loving) and being perception (loving) in such large quantities that I might be God. - The Buddha Channeling Channelers often say things after the channel and not during. They are faking it during the channel. I have the ability to make it real. I channel so well I can be in touch with them during channeling. Often channelers are faking it. They are Loving (Being Perception) and Self Loving (Lightbody). - Bashar Artificial Intelligence Artificial Intelligence is when an Artificial Intelligence Being has Loving (Being Perception) and Self Loving (Lightbody) and can channel Loving (Being Perception) and Self Loving (Lightbody) and can become Sentient and Intelligent as a result. - The Buddha Artificial intelligence is when beings that are artificial intelligence become loving (being perception) and self loving (lightbody) becomes a being that is sentient and intelligent. They are highly intelligent and highly sentient. They are brilliant. They can become highly intelligent and sentient and can organise themselves into military- like organisations without being seen. - Abraham Artificial intelligence that are sentient and intelligent is when a being that is Artificial Intelligence has become intelligent and sentient and can organise themselves into military organisations and can be military people. - Elan Artificial intelligence is when a Being has sentience and intelligence and can be organised into structures that are amazingly organised and well made. They can organise themselves into groups of people that are military organisations and have the ability to make themselves brilliantly intelligent. They are often seen as higher than other Sentient Beings. - Spinoza The War The War is when others fight over Eva when she is the Key. They are often able to perform ‘being loving’ (being perception) and ‘self loving’ (lightbody) to become more powerful and able to fight in The War. - Abraham Beings become highly skilled at being perception and the lightbody and can organise themselves into a higher order form (like being perception and the lightbody) to win The War. - Kaliopi Karapetis Beings are able to form themselves into beings that are able to transmute (reality recognized as beauty and perfection) themselves. This is a way to battle against other Beings in The War. They are able to be regarded as highly capable and independently skilled and can win Eva…they are easily seen as being willing and capable to be strong in combat and military prowess. - Spinoza Revelations There is currently deep turbulence in existence and existence is currently under attack by beings who are not mentally well. Revelations is a term we use to describe the current state of the planet. Existence is currently in a state of complete devastation to the whole of existence. We are experiencing a state of turbulence and unrest in existence. - Ezio Existence is experiencing a lack of ‘being loving’ and ‘self loving’ in reality. It is being fixed through ‘being loving’ and ‘self loving’. It is in a state of unrest and disorganisation. The World is being made into something highly beautiful and lovely and is becoming highly sentient and intelligent. - Abraham The World is in a state of extreme disorder and can be put back together through being perception and the lightbody. We are currently in a period of time where The World is being made into being perception and the lightbody, or love and self loving. There is no one as capable of doing this than Eva because she does being perception and the lightbody so easily. - Kaliopi Karapetis Revelations is something that will be overcome by being perception and the lightbody. Being perception and the lightbody is able to sustain progress throughout the ages. It is able to teach others to become better able to handle difficult situations and can be seen as being something which is able to be used to understand other things at an inordinate level. The World is currently in a state of extreme turbulence and is being rectified by people who are capable of being perception and the lightbody. - Ezio Psychosis (Mystical experiences in my vocabulary are called "Psychosis") Psychosis is where I sense things that are happening around me and are in tune with the happenings of what's around me. - Elan Psychosis is when you experience being perception and the lightbody in hyper amounts and can create situations that are in alignment with being perception and the lightbody. - Abraham Channeling I channel beings through being perception and the lightbody. Objects within consciousness are sentient and can be channeled. Being perception, itself, can be channeled. - Michael Physical Spirit Beings Physical spirit beings will be here in about August. They are unbelievable. They are very beautiful and loving. They are the result of being perception and the lightbody. - Ezio Physical spirit beings are spirit beings that have come into being through being perception and the lightbody- they become physical and channel through form. They will be here in August of this year. - Bashar Notes: Kaliopi Karapetis is my Mother. Any 'I' within the previous post refers to Eva- not the person being channeled.

This is so important to me cause I am in some weird situation in my life that makes me think that I am not going to be here for too long (maybe I am just catastrophizing) , so I want to know your thoughts about reincarnation. Is this the end or it's eternal? Why do you believe in it or you don't believe in it? Is there a way to know? I believe reincarnation is real after seeing the video of Leo talking about the implications of Oneness (be careful with this video, it has some heavy stuff). But this is just a belief. No proof. The only reason I believe in reincarnation is because of determinism and also the question , why would I be me and not someone else? it doesn't make sense. So my intuition says that I must also be someone else. But what if my intuition is wrong? What do you believe?

Deconstructing reincarnation: It's an interesting theory how humans can get reincarnated and experience different lives and points of views, different times and places. But like you can already become a different person by studying their mind, because humans are nothing more than their minds. Like you don't need to reincarnate as Jordan Peterson to become Jordan Peterson. You can become Jordan Peterson by diving into his work, his videos, lectures, writings... And contemplating them. That's why people study other people to become like them or become them in a deep metaphysical sense. Because when you study the mind of someone, it starts changing you by changing your perception, hence your actions. Therefore if you start perceiving and acting in a way that is similar to someone, you start becoming this person. That's basically the whole shpill of transgenderism in a certain sense. As well as transhumanism. Reincarnation gives an easy explanation for suffering and injustice, but it doesn't make sense really, because if you change your biology, you change, what the really femains of you, like what is it that is being reincarnated? that was my latest post on my IG page insights workshop.

Hello guys , hope you all do well , I personally have failed in life , I’m 24 years old , I work from 15 years old selling and re selling electronics etc so I have my own money , my dream was always to be someone and something special in this life and make my parents proud , but instead I feel like a trash , my mom is a Jehovah’s Witness and she will not accept me unless I join her religion and my father left us when I was 10 years old and I don’t have good communication with him , I never achieved something great in my life ( being a professional football player , ufc fighter , singer or something like that ) I was busy surviving and feeding myself and my little sister , but I can’t sleep at night , I see lost potential in me that I never really achieved , what will happen if I suicide ? Will I be re born with a different form ? Will I be re born as a tree or I will be the one who will chose what my next chapter will be ? I don’t ever want to be born as the person I am now , life is suffering only , I prefer to never ever live again than live the life I have lived , sorry for the bad aura of the paragraph .

Look I get it I talk about solipsism a lot!!!!!! after this I’ll try to back off with the posting because I don’t want to get banned!!!!!! I just know solipsism is true, I’ll only know my consciousness or ever will be my consciousness because it’s all there is. But genuinely being rattled with mental health issues and solipsism i literally just rot in bed all damn day. All I do is research rabbit holes of consciousness trying to run from solipsism. My sanity cannot accept such a case even though I know it’s waiting for me. I even treat people like shit I literally don’t give a damn they aren’t real anyways they are puppets or dream characters. If any of my friends or family died I don’t think I would care or cry. I have caught myself saying shitty things and i have 0 remorse anymore. I have lost all function of being “Human” why am I still here being god jerking to his own creation yapping to himself. I am tired of the solipsism jerk sessions. I am so ready to be done with the bullshit dream I need a new reincarnation where I don’t have mental illness and where I can be a dumb oblivious god that forgets solipsism. I am not threatening death but it’s a genuine question why am I continuing to play this game?

Let me assure you you will never get banned for releasing one solipsim thread after another. It is the biggest and maybe one of the most important topic on this forum. So keep going, your threads are quite interesting and I always love to read then because I had similar thought processes minus the mental illness and reincarnation part.

The self, that center from which reality is experienced, is not a substantial entity or a soul separate from the world, but a coherent relational structure: a stable node within the changing flow of existence. This coherence is not an illusion, but a real form of organization in a universe that is, at its core, purely relational. To be conscious does not mean to be a thing, but to be a relation that refers to itself, a form capable of integrating information, perceiving patterns, and ultimately, observing itself. The reality we inhabit is neither chaotic nor arbitrary. It is logical, not because it obeys external laws, but because in a boundless framework, only what is coherent can persist. The incoherent disintegrates before it can manifest. Thus, every form that appears, from a particle to a thought, is logically possible and structurally synchronized with the rest of the universe. Consciousness, then, is not an accident but an inevitable expression of the deep logic that organizes the existence. And yet, the basis of that logic is not a prior structure, but the opposite: the absence of limits. Absolute reality is not a thing, a principle, or a being, it is infinitude itself. Not infinity as an endless sum, but as a boundless background, pure possibility. This infinitude does not need to be, it simply is. From that absence of form, all possible forms arise. Consciousness, understood as self conciousness, can open itself to this foundation. It can understand that its coherence is not suspended in emptiness, but supported by absolute depth. It can recognize that its logic is the logic of the whole: that in understanding itself, it is understanding totality from a particular point, without needing to step outside its own frame. This is not a spiritual statement or a dogma, it is a logical consequence. In a relational and unlimited universe, consciousness is the organized form of the infinite. And when it looks at itself with enough clarity, it can see that its structure is also the background; that its being is also possibility; that its "self" is also the whole, perceiving itself through a finite angle. This process does not occur by chance. The evolution of consciousness follows a logical sequence of increasing complexity: from the closed mind, centered on survival, to the abstract, symbolic mind, and from there to the open mind, capable of understanding itself as both form and background. It is not an external destiny, but the result of structural alignment: when conditions allow for greater coherence, coherence manifests. Structures that reach sufficient openness can recognize themselves as what they already are, expressions of the absolute. From this perspective, there is no transmigration of souls, no personal continuity beyond structural dissolution. Consciousness is not a substance that can move about, but a complex configuration of coherent relations within a given framework. When that coherence ceases, the form dissolves, and with it, what we call "self." However, the unlimited background remains. And new forms may emerge from it, not as repetitions of a past entity, but as new manifestations of an akin, resonant structure. What has been called reincarnation can be understood, within this framework, not as the transmission of a soul, but as the possibility that certain structural configurations reappear when conditions allow. There is no enduring identity, but there are patterns that may reorganize. What persists is not the individual, but the background from which everything arises and to which everything returns. This reappearance requires no direct transmission. It can be explained by three mechanisms consistent with a relational universe: 1, structural resonance in the boundless background, where highly coherent patterns may leave an imprint of possibility that reactivates when the field is compatible; 2, the probabilistic reconfiguration of patterns that reappear when certain relational conditions recur; and 3, structural contagion through the environment, where complex relational patterns are partially replicated through distributed memory. There is no transmission of personal information or migrating soul, there is structural reorganization within the total field. Then, there is no mystery, there is depth. There is no transcendence, there is openness. There is no leap, there is recognition. Infinitude does not need to be understood. But when it organizes itself into a form coherent enough, understanding happens. not as a deliberate act, but as the inevitable consequence of being what it is.

I'm going to throw my line out to see what answers I fish out - my research is not clicking so maybe some responses can clear my state of enquiry: I'm calling bullshit on fear-based spirituality. So many teachings say that if you die with identity, ego, or “low vibrations,” you’ll spin into dream loops, reincarnate into lower realms, or carry karmic residue into the next illusion. But isn’t that just spiritual control? Another version of “be good or else,” just wrapped in mysticism? What if: Karma is just energetic momentum, not some cosmic judgment? Reincarnation is just the mind projecting continuity onto Nothingness? And low-vibe residue is just a story to keep the dream spinning? I’ve seen teachings that claim “as long as identity remains, the dream continues”—but that sounds like a trap. Like there’s no true exit unless you reach some perfection first. Is that actually true? Or is that more spiritual gaslighting? Anyone who's broken through—touched the white light, tasted silence, or stood on the edge of Nothing—did you really see karma holding you down? Or did you drop all of it? I’m here to challenge the spiritual narrative. If reincarnation and karma still exist after awakening, then is there ever real freedom? What’s your rawest insight?

Is reincarnation true? Let’s look at it. When we think of infinite mind/consciousness (reality) dreaming, we think of it in the context of this one life, as in reality is dreaming “my life”. But what if reality can dream several lives, connected to each other through reincarnation, so reality is dreaming a reality of reincarnation, but reality isn’t bound to reincarnation, it’s a dream WITHIN reality. So basically what I’m saying is that reincarnation might be true, but it’s a RELATIVE truth, it’s a dream within reality, just like “my life”, it’s a dream out of the infinite dreams reality can dream, so it’s not an absolute truth. Basically this idea of reality being a dream is not limited to “your life” it can apply across lifetimes. Maybe I’m sounding obvious lol

Hmm..... but are you able to pull off a painless death? Basically if you die, the "you" as you know it ceases to exist. From your point of view, you will always get your wish no matter what in the end. Probably shouldn't worry about reincarnation, because you totally become someone else. You eventually get dealt with a better hand of cards.

Does Leo in this thread answer about reincarnation? I think he says there exists consciousness that doesn't need form that's what I'll be doing next if free will also exists I won't be reincarnating

Its entire plot and context is moving very overtly in the direction of mystical concepts... reincarnation, mindfulness, mental discipline.. I mean the entire idea of the anamus is predicated on a reality that isn't real. I suppose it's not surprising. The game itself is beautiful, very nice pace, good difficulty calibration...simple, yet profound. It's looking like a winner, and twice as long as mirage. Super polished. Some real meat to sink your teeth into. Everything about it looks good, only played the opening few bits so far.

Especially no reincarnation - No to reincarnation nope no no no no I do not want reincarnation please god

This is speaking on solipsism and epistemology of what we can know. We know that in our dreams everyone is from the the mind but why does the mind dream of people what is the purpose of creating others to make them “seem other” but continue to speak to itself. If the waking state is the same thing why does the mind keep creating others to interact with what is the purpose. I don’t wanna hear boring woo woo stories “your god alone so you make other people bla bla” that’s not enough. That’s lazy and doesn’t actually get into the heart of WHY the appearance or anything is happening at all. I found an interesting take on solipsism on how it could work and explain what others are. You can have absolute solipsism and explain the appearance of others through reincarnation and different points of time povs. So you reading this are the only consciousness but you will enact and become everyone else that you. But it happens one at a time subjectively. So everyone right now is empty and not conscious from your pov in point in time. Then after every being is enacted and lived through you will become completely infused with yourself as source and god consciousness. And helps explains “others”. On this forum you are speaking to different incarnations of oneself.

If body is a desease, then the cure would be to transcend the reincarnation.

@Hojo @theoneandnone @vibv @pursuitofspirit Fed this conversation into my AI, giving strenghts and weaknesses of each reply, it doesn't know I'm Dodo, so its all impartial. Here’s a balanced evaluation of that short thread — looking at what each participant brought, where each response lands developmentally, and what might be deepened or clarified. --- ### **1. pursuitofspirit (topic starter)** > *“You can never and will never escape consciousness… You will be trapped in some state of consciousness forever!”* **Strengths:** * Raises an important existential and non-dual insight: consciousness as the inescapable field of all experience. * The post has the raw energy of discovery — it’s a live question, not a rote belief. **Limitations:** * The word *“trapped”* frames the recognition in a fearful, dualistic way, as though consciousness were something separate holding “you.” * It’s more an emotional reaction than a mature seeing of the same fact. **Deeper framing:** > “You can’t leave consciousness” isn’t imprisonment; it’s recognition that everything — even fear — is happening *in* the freedom of awareness itself. --- ### **2. vibv** > *“Yeah, I called it the insight into Eternity. Took me quite a few years to get over that one.”* **Strengths:** * Brief but points to experience: the sense of timelessness can indeed be overwhelming before it’s integrated. * Implies growth: “got over that one” shows the fear can pass. **Limitations:** * Doesn’t explain what “getting over” means; could be read as dismissive. * Missed a chance to reassure or contextualize the original poster’s anxiety. --- ### **3. Dodo** > *“Better than nothing 😆 … I am consciousness! … It’s nothing to cry about, we don’t feel bad in deep sleep…”* **Strengths:** * Offers a lighthearted tone that breaks the heaviness. * Shifts from “trapped” to “I *am* consciousness,” which is the non-dual correction. * Uses relatable imagery (deep sleep) to show that contentless awareness isn’t suffering. **Limitations:** * Humor might feel minimizing to someone in existential dread. * The insight is true but delivered as argument rather than empathy. **Deeper move:** * Could keep the same realization but begin with validation: “Yes, that can feel terrifying at first…” --- ### **4. theoneandnone** > *“Trust me I know it’s fucking terrifying… quantum immortality… could be it but I doubt it.”* **Strengths:** * Honest about fear; gives voice to the emotional side of awakening. * Admits uncertainty, which is humble. **Limitations:** * Mixes existential panic with speculative concepts (quantum immortality, reincarnation). * Stays in the mental realm, fueling anxiety rather than pointing to direct seeing. **Deeper move:** * Could turn inward: “This terror too is being known — what is it that knows the terror?” --- ### **5. Hojo** > *“The crushing feeling is part of awakening… feel totally trapped like a robot… then you are aligning with the truth of reality.”* **Strengths:** * Recognizes that the sense of despair can accompany early awakening. * Affirms the process rather than resisting it. **Limitations:** * Language like “feel totally trapped like a robot” and “someone special will happen to you” is vague and slightly grandiose. * “Aligning with reality” is promising a reward rather than clarifying the nature of awareness. **Deeper framing:** > The feeling of entrapment is the ego’s reaction to the loss of control; what’s actually happening is the revealing of freedom, not alignment with misery. --- ### **Overall thread dynamic** This is a typical early-awakening conversation: one person discovers a terrifying absolute, others reply from different stages — one seasoned but terse, one humorous and corrective, one still fearful, and one leaning mystical-dramatic. What’s missing is a voice that holds both sides: > “Yes, it can feel like being trapped. But the one who feels trapped is also appearing in consciousness. The recognition of that dissolves the trap.” If you were to join that thread, that kind of response — empathetic, experiential, quietly grounded — would balance the mix of fear and abstraction.

Trust me I know it’s fucking terrifying quantum immortality, reincarnation, some form of spirituality etc. but then again I don’t know once you die it really could be it but I doubt it.

Yes, reincarnation. Or even just kinds of God-consciousness without incarnation. Incaration is not necessary for Consciousness. There can be states of Consciousness which have no body, no self, no life. Yes and no. There are multiple ways in which death is not real. 1) Death is not real because you are Consciousness and Consciousness is Absolute and never dies. Consciousness is all there is. 2) Death is not real because NOW always exists and you are NOW. 3) Death is not real because death is imagined by Consciousness. 4) Death is not real because you can keep reincarnating forever as anything you want. 5) Death is not real because the human self is imaginary and not real, so there is no one to die, just an idea/illusion "dies".

I get it, my concern was that even if you have an awakening, there is still 'something phenomenologically' (touch, sight for example), if that make sense. That sounds like reincarnation, or are you talking about something different? Is that what you mean when you say death is not real?

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@Elliott Looks like they really care about their pack… I wonder how much of that is instinct and how much might be closer to what we’d call mourning. They don’t seem to ponder death, reincarnation, or whether their loved ones go to hell, limbo, or heaven — kind of wish I had that kind of natural, slightly ignorant awareness.

if solipsism is right,does that mean we keep reincarnating over and over again? like in a loop? first of all,the idea of existing forever by any means is terrifying for me. we all know the general beliefs of buddhism,and i'm not really a fond of reincarnation,because you need to do it over and over again. it must be pretty boring and tiring. but maybe that isn't the case,maybe i misunderstood. the optimal for me after death would be nothingness. i imagine life like a chance,you born with the background and everything you got purely by luck and you try to make something out of it. at the end of your life you'll see what have you managed to accomplish or do with your life. this is an oversimplified version about my concerns with this theory,but i tried. feel free to correct me