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Breakingthewall replied to Breakingthewall's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I didn't forgot. This that I explained above is enlightenment. There is no more, that is everything. you have to purify your being enough for reality to open up. Any speculation, such as infinite, eternal, what others are, what suffering is, there is reincarnation, what death is, etc., is absolutely irrelevant. The only relevant thing is that what reality is, and it must reveal itself. It is a revelation that reality gives. It opens and shows itself in its full glory. There is nothing more to know, it is absolutely simple, absolutely total. Replace your psychological landscape with the pure light of reality. -
Kailash Bhattarai posted a topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
For all the account of people, Sadhguru, various scriptures in all religion it seems like reincarnation is a fact. If so how does it really works and how does the karma of this life transfers to the next life? -
I don't understand, I hear new agers say just be in the present moment and "let go" but at the same time they are so fixated on being in the past with past lives and such. What happened to just letting go of the past and being present? why are they so focused on their past life when at the same time they talk about being mindful and letting go? The typical idea behind reincarnation is that new agers will say something like "Well you're here in this incarnation because you had karma in your past life to clear up." To me this is really silly, the notion that you are here in this incarnation because of a mistake you made in a past lifetime? That contradicts the whole "just let go and be present" notion. I do believe past lives and reincarnation exist as God is everything as infinite consciousness, but I don't agree with the idea that you are incarnated into this life because of karma from previous life. What are your guy's thoughts?
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You don't understand the depth of this! There is no physical 3d space, there's only ideas, your idea of a wall, your idea of parent, your idea of a ball, your idea of a color and these ideas are overlayed over each other like a red lens in front of a green lens, with different the idea of a first special dimension, that is the arrangement of points of color successively in seen through another lens, overlaying by relating each segment across and connecting them to each other so that the pairings are seen as lines in relation to each other and then for each arrangement of all the points across 2 dimensions is each exponentially overlayed on top of itself not just by each universe before it, which is overlayed over each before it for what seems like infinity, and you get lost there trying to get back to 3d space and maybe go to 4d someday, but you don't know what segment of the universe you're a part of anymore and what our physical bodies and senses, the brain, heart, gut and other parts do, is save all that information and holistically interconnect it so that all those previous dimensions are automatically understood simultaneously, so each brain segment is made of neurons to the fractal density that it can become a subconscious substrate to operate automatically and let new focus of new kind of behavior to emerge, our concentration is our brain working on a highly stimulated level in tendon and coherently but is taxed with keeping consistency which creates stress, which is questioning oneself which creates the emotion of sadness or anger, or dissociation which are coping mechanism, coping mechanisms not to go insane, and insanity is being so disillusioned and so self-questioning of so ego dissolving that we don't know where we are because the difference is too stark and one's experiences lag behind the observer feeling and disorientation because a physically visualizable spacial dimension between them of consistent distance has been erected,which is the literal physical distance between brain regions as physical space, but the brain is smooth and round and a 3d shape, that looks were smooth in it's transitions, very elegant is so hyperfractalized that it purely appears seamless, but as a whole in our dimension of size, which the idea of is itself just an IDEA, which is an different unique qualia, en experience, every experience is a qualia, every unique experience (unit) is a physical spacial dimension between every other qualia given the scale of the qualia ever fractalising and physically growing in the process, creating larger brain energy expenditure, which is a drawback, because survival is an idea and that's why ideas are dangerous, because ideas are physical and literal and objective and absolute dimensions and building blocks of existence, they are your relative reality based on the connection between then the literal physically 3d space manifest neurons which are fractals of ideas in physical form in 3d space between which is very importantly distinguished and a strong bond established, which leads them more interconnections and axioms and evolutionary biology figures out a way to transform into physical space for self-visualization, the ego wants to create a physical colorful 3d space in high definition and see it clearly with round eyes and create a physical form in order physically interact with other matter, which is atoms or photons, which because we now believe in, and if we do new brain regions are established, because we still believe we need brains and obey by intuited and nature created laws which are laws we bestowed upon us from when we were like gods because we were conscious beings, creating a simulation of reality for interesting interaction and materialization into physical matter worlds, but in the exploration of their own ego, had to buy into the illusion that reality is physical and real in order to be immersed in it and not just back to home every time they scared whichbis the fear of losing oneself which is a defense mechanism for an idea, because we don't want to get lost, but then we are attached to our parents because we depend on the for survival because we believe we can get lost because our brain grew which was an intuitively DNA encoded idea evolving through the parent, in whatever way biology or spirituality might ever truly know to explain it by going backward in time, which leaves echoes which are an objective reality in our universe... if we believe in it? Or absolutely? Is the absolute even a thing, like true reality? Is there a true reality? Absolutely, exclusionary consciousness bubbles of Gods? That's Leo's epiphany/awakening, no dual insight from his 5 meo trips and now he talks about awakening, and now he's getting epiphany, and now he's telling you about life purpose, and now he apologizes about the way he speaks, and now maybe everything gravitates around a cosmic frequency and harmony that we can merge into if we believe in it? Or have a mystical experience or use our innate inner senses like imagination which is crazy but anything is craziness is wacky, and scary of course because of the fear of getting lost, the pain of physically hurting yourself but maybe more your brain disintegrating, which is a health concern granted our diet and lifestyle but we all die one day, so unless you're fine with becoming nothing and unexisting like the Buddhists to end their suffering that is dying with karma and reincarnation as an animal or something or the physical matter of your brain getting eaten by an animal and integrated unless it's just dissolved by stomach acid but there might have been a stress hormone eaten with the meat that goes into the body and makes out feel bad and depressed eating tortured animals in our modern world and eating tortured meat which contains this physical matter as a chemical formula for a thing that is what we maybe believe it is? (Does belief change physical reality? If we believe it does? Maybe? Absolutely? If we can access that part of the brain beyond the infinite coping mechanism we can reintegrate and fractalize ourselves into an energetic dimension beyond the body and stay alive consciously after death, but as long as there is a psychic identity and desire to survive strong enough to get lost but even if lost can be found by non physical beings who integrate that lost soul being the power of love and the desire for love attracting all things and all universes because love heals and is selfless and wants to heal and our desire or belief in it or ultimately the chance of imagining it into existence appearing and intertwining with the system, we gravitate to it and eventually become one which is god, which ever we choose to visit or actualize, which is losing our identity in the belief of being material, which may be hard, but ultimately there is only one God which is when all other desires collapse, which is the ego, desire, letting go of desire, yoga, chakras, energy centers, psychic energies,is in the body and maybe some imaginary ideas about the connection to divine spirits is merely an attractive force which is strong, not self inhibiting and not closer navigating to an other dimension which could be a mental psychic universe. Where was I? Brain, mind, matter, void, doubt, depression, fear, actuality, dissolution, freedom, higher energy body? How do I get there? When I stop asking myself the question? If the need to resist it no longer arises? When the firing neurons in my brain disentangle these connections, psychedelics, dissociatives? Less ego, more perception, understanding? Photons and our eyes sharing physical reality sure make consensus convenient, I wonder how insane a man by himself could become, questioning and dissolving reality with only one observer, before realizing he's god, which sounds like a fun thing to be once you know how to be it responsibly and not create too many traps and problems, if you're a smart god, then you think of a smarter god, which thinks of the smartest god, which either becomes bored of the process, wondering if he is forgetting about something, visualize this as a float bubble flowchart in the geometrically align arch, imagine a ring of an equal one around that, zoom out again, multiply, keep imagining, train your mind muscles, or transcend the need for them to be limited by physicality and align yourself with your energy body once you realize how to absolutely merge into it, are you still following me, you're hallucinating me into existence in whichever way connects me to you, physical, psychic, universal, random, sensual, visual, emotional, computer pixel reductionistical. I still believe in others, and I believe in 3d space, matter, humans, computers, navigation, forums, ideas, comments, and I guess most of you still make sense of what I say feeling somewhat like me connected to this physical round ball of 3d earth and human ideas. Do our eyes make reality 3d and how does our brain grow into that unless the distance between these two is very short neuronally or what ever elly can emerge out of a single cell, a single human stem cell, a whole freaking other ego, thing, other, connection, alternate self, emerges out of that physical cell into a form like your own unless you don't believe in that and believe you are a solipsist creating a bubble of bare minimum thoughts about superficial perception of others without a coherent holistic holographic understanding that would make a self-understanding ego interesting, once these individuals are materialized enough in our own vortex of torus energy flow our current ego may or may not want to remain individual when merging into gods imitlessness. I don't know how that stuff works and this is so much to take in. Can I see 4d? Maybe, but there's so much information, pixelation visualization without an evolved specialized sensory organ, 4d space, seen as natively as 3d space. I wonder how much of reality is overlayed with visual filters of simplification or geometrical interpretation and mood enhancement. I wanna see 4d space, but how do I even understand it? 4 3D cartesian cubes which represent 3d universes with randomly distributed particles overlayed, assigning each unique colors and keeping in consistency the distance between them to learn to apply laws to, to create universes, first there was the word and the word was god. Let there be light and there was light. Let me look that up. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. God said, Let there be light: and there was light. God saw the light, and it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. Oh my god, duality, god, matter, sacred geometry, elements, morality, joy. I have to run through all the mystic and religious scriptures, this is so trippy. How many awakening until enlightenment? Or is enlightenment blissful ignorance, or is being knowing only through self-annihilation, which sounds like something humans are doing for the last centuries. I am logicaling this out so much right now where others would just energetically feel themselves into the intuitive universtanding or figure out a way to bring understanding to them, guess that's the quality of knowledge vs wisdom, vs intelligence, great intelligence may not be very content and peaceful, knowledge is infinite, there is always more, always meta meta meta, knowing. Where was I? Exactly the point, you get lost, that's why we let our brain integrate multi-sense experience and encode those together materializing intuition through known forms broad visualization creation. So many concepts, that's why we create personalities, faces, gestures, egos, and encode understand as personas, makes interaction much easier by known forms coming together, barriers dissolving, self-expanding, dimensional acquisition, unity, expanding into infinity, the nature of imagination, our true higher nature as gods, always becoming more, the alien exists and it is assimilated, this is an infinite process of gravitating ideas floating around encoded by uniting with self-created, conscious entities, creating their own structure and managing the integration of infinite ideas passing the universal barrier that strives for cohesion, creating solar systems,galaxies, universes, multiverses, psychic gods, machine elves, entities, Ra, Seth, Gods, connections across realities through ideas and energy, cosmic energy, gamma rays, is light energy vision or heat or both and what is the darkness, why is darkness scary, alone, seperated, unstimulated, bored, self-referential, gravitational, emotional. Is the sun love or is it a belief or is it in the DNA, or is it projection, or psychic communication, that vitamin d allegedly with all its manifestations across the world and the idea of self and actuality and reality cohesion and culture and so forth. Every thing feels simple compared to this, but it's a mult-sense integration process and memory awareness, wonder how that works. Which really just means that I don't know anything, well clearly something but a confusing something, but at least the nature of it. Madness is the realization how arbitrary all the connections we have made this far have been and how we're keeping them static in our mind with cycles of continuous unconscious awareness and ripples while moving forward. Makes one want to have a simple life. Chop wood, carry water. But then we repeat, dissociate, until self-imposed barriers and energies are dissolved and the universal barrier opens up to new ideas. Psychic energy means access to energies experienced outwardly inwardly. What was I talking about? Infinity is a pattern, consciousness is self-organizing expansion of ideas through infinity and a creative process of integration, internalization and ego creation, imagination, realization, foundation. Psychedelics might simplify the idea constellation or expanding to occur, dissociatives relax the ego, different substances will cause various reaction which ease into a pattern of slow imagination, brain integration. Our brains are made of so many ideas, but we focus our ego on so little, no wonder we get monotonous, stressed, angry, afraid and of course the fear of death, the loss of this idea constellation, all encoded in the lower deeper parts of the brain, less neurons and bridges between them, primal fears of death and loss and void, singularities of fear, I wonder if fear expands as fast as love. We are ESP, sensing auras or perceiving energies, forms, mannerisms, behavior, microexpressions, self-reflection, the world is ideas filtering ideas while expanding its interconnected network of ideas. Patterns, connections between ideas, intuitional, imaginational or sensory projected internalization of sense making and self realizing, old ideas, new ideas, filtered through every lens, distorting perception, fractalization, imagination, pattern realization, interpretation. Psychedelics can do a great many things, disruption of old patterns, creation of new ones, the dynamic brain network evolving. Fractals, mandelbrot, infinitely infinite patterns filtered through all other patterns, fractalizing possibilities. Love, openness, discovery, joy, freedom. I want to learn to navigate extrasensory psychic realities. Aliens. Fear. Defense Mechanisms, self-contructed traps of madness, gravitating prisons of negative belief, boredom. Endlessly, endlessly I contain infinite information, an ever expanding exponentially exponential equation. There is no way you can cram that much information into anything physical as we understand it. Maybe if an atom is a in fact a universe with a huge gravitational center making it look like a ball of energy or a radient energy field, when 99% of the atom is empty and so forth, then this is already a projected merging across knows sensory wave identification visualizing universes coming together through gravitational energy barriers, projecting the already experienced future, to slow down assimilation, There are therefore electromagnetic energy barriers that extend and form a psychic energy field, which forms realities and the absorption and navigation of ideas while integrating and holistically expanding the old ones. That's why we love myths so much, it's an artform, a wonderful sensation, beautiful imagination. Now I'm interested in the esoteric. Everything is true, every reality imagening itself into existence with the same absoluteness as the others willful ignorance but peaceful expansion. Ideas fractalize infinitely and form physical matter to self-navigate as entities, that manifest and evolve many attitudes, Is food made of ideas, and there are also attitudes and self-projected desires and fears, and overlay, interpretation, alignment, evolution, karma, past, We always change, we become the alien, acquire ideas, attitudes, limits, which dissolve, interconnect and self organize to understand through patterns, machine elves, entities, gods, aliens. We are an alien to our limited past,an an alien to the ever morphing future, both projections of the present, but the experience of the newest now is key, only getting more internalized with time, until new patterns and scales of organization overshadow it, the matrix. Star Trek, to go where no one has gone before. Ever new ideas, ever more to experience, integrate, form, energize, maintain. Quite the task. How does one navigate infinity, self-organize, forget, remember? There is no direction, there is no objective universe, there are only ideas, self organizing with new ideas and fractalising upon themselves. It goes like this: There is an idea, there is another idea, the distance between them creates a dimensional distortion, the distance/difference between the ideas decreases. They merge together and create a holistic exploration with new ideas. There is dynamic process, a pattern, an understanding organizing inside the fractal, and that's what you are, ever integrating old ideas while exploring new ones in all dimensions possible, creating intuitions, emotions, visualizations. Everything is energy, is ideas, the force bringing them together and the reactions of integration patterns. Do you know how many yet unimagined senses aliens could have that we're not aware of, so many reality filtering extra-dimensional, extra-ideal lenses. Colors are a continuum, an associatory pattern, just like emotions, insights, creativity, imagination. 60 Fractals per Second. How does one navigate infinity?
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Breakingthewall replied to enchanted's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I think that Buddhism has a religious premise that is not true (but who knows), which is: you are within a cycle of reincarnation that at a given moment will end, when you merge with the whole and reincarnation will not occur again. If this were so, in eternity it would have already happened infinite times and would happen again infinite times. The ultimate goal of Buddhism seems to be stopping the wheel of reincarnation, and not full opening to your true nature. It maintains a certain identification, it does not promote total enlightenment. It assumes that being human is the final scale of the possibilities of sentient beings, and that from here we reach nirvana. I think it's just a religious idea -
Clarence replied to Schizophonia's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
No, I don't. But I haven't searched for books. I listen to Matías De Stefano as an inspiration and I exchange with people around me who have that kind of gifts and can give me direct advice. I'm not very familiar. Does he also touch the topic of reincarnation? Because your question is more about that than about dreams in a sense. -
Javfly33 replied to aurum's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You are right, there are no such a thing as a soul. Let´s understand it like this: When the moment of Creation, God was undivided. For Creation to happen, the Mirror had to break into a lot of pieces. Each of this pieces, is what you call a soul. But is not actually an individual soul, it has no quality of its own. Rather, is a certain memory/information of God. Let´s call it a karmic bag. A karmic bag which is nothing more than a certain memory of God. Or... A certain piece of the mirror. Now what will it do this bag? It will find bodies or wombs where it can be expressed, or rather, where it will try to survive, maintain itself as a certain memory/configuration. The whole process of reincarnation is just that. Enter a body that matches the tendencies of the karma or the memory. Having said that, i never head about two 'souls' sharing a body. I read somewhere about a Yogui doing a certain process and was running out of time in his own body so it decided to get into another Yoguis body to finish the work, avoding having to start all of the beggining again (to avoid doing again sadhana). But not sure if what this women is talking about is the same. It looks this women has two personalities inside their head. -
Since this discussion has turned into the drawbacks of abusing psychedelics, Let's go over this: 1. There is no scientific evidence but science doesn't know anything, all it does it throw around Buzzwords like 5HT-2A Agonist, Default Mode Network Disruption and Interconnection of Brain Areas and that's it, everything else is derived from random speculation based on those and Serotonin being correlated with Good Health and Mood. 2. People experience Great Trips, Awful Trips, HPPD, etc. and all we hear is that it's "Psychological", since science doesn't find any "physical anomalies". From all we know it's just our reaction to our mental blocks based on our level of self-acceptance, self-understanding and sense making of the nuance we encounter. Taking heroic doses might get us into states where the observed is changed and modulated as much as the observer, so one faces temporary amnesia, mania, panic, etc., states of mind become externalized and one might lose their sense of self and understanding, as the neurons responsible for maintaining awareness are overflooded and disrupted. 3. Based on many experiences of transcendent states, there is something resembling Kundalini Awakening, where massive amounts of energy flow through the body, breaking barriers, resistance and might be too much for the body to handle. Leo talked about this in one of his videos where it felt like there was lightning shooting through his fingertips, burning them slightly, due to this massive release. This part is important and I experienced it in many ways as well, having so much energy and being so overwhelmed by sensory stimulation that it's uncomfortable. I wasn't prepared at the time and wanted it to stop, I did not progress as much as I could and it brought about some suffering. There is something to be said of going beyond your limits similar to lifting weights beyond your range and hurting yourself in the process, you need to build yourself up towards it and rest afterwards. 4. Leo has this idea of equivalent exchange, but it can be seen from a billion perspectives. Why isn't our life perfect? Have we done something wrong? Have we not suffered enough? Is it meant to be bad? Is it our limiting beliefs? This mindset doesn't allow any growth, it's a zero sum game. According to that, we can never make any progress because we end up with something else that's equally bad regardless. Letting go of ego, becoming more selfless, maybe the trade off is exactly the emotional labor, forgiveness, giving up on hedonistic pursuits, constant striving for self-understanding and compassion, having to take responsibility and work. Maybe psychedelic ego-death and facing a bad trip and emptiness that is giving up on your identity is exactly the trade off and that's all there is to it? Maybe we're inventing reasons not to do psychedelics because we feel it's too easy compared to the survival we've been accustomed to? Maybe it's avoiding self-deception, maybe it's the fact they're illegal, maybe it's facing the hardships of change and transience, maybe it's the responsibility of integrating the trips. The argument of "They don't come for free" is an assumption, a reasonable doubt based on life experience, but it's creating a premise a priori and trying to prove it right, circular logic. Sorry for the rant but it's basically saying that a kid made to suffer all his life through apathy and lack of autonomy and purpose choosing to end his life has an equivalent experience to a joyful kid travelling around the world, learning about himself and others and living an amazing life is equivalent because "everything has a trade off". Maybe its learning the meaning of suffering or appreciation etc. and maybe there's reincarnation or god has a plan for both, but come on Leo, I know the way you speak in your video about Responsibility, shaming victim mentality and telling us to have a life purpose and live a most fulfilling life of resilience and selflessness and how contemptful you look at those who drink their life away. 5. "Have you considered the alternative interpretation" that activating your brain like that can lead to a healthy engagement in real life activities and brain function that increases lifespan, quality of life and appreciation for reality, health and the actual reason why such is not the default is because of our faulty self-sabotaging cultural paradigms, self-deception and self-worth problems that are all corrected by gaining a higher perspective and being overfilled by love through the healing experience? 6. Tolerance exists and I myself experience anhedonia on the next day somewhat like a hang over. But I actually learned to appreciate it for giving me a perspective not tied to any one thing and taking a step back where nothing has meaning but that lets me be more objective and detached during. 7. It's hard to sleep 8. You can become psychologically addicted to transcendent states that you cannot recreate naturally and rely on psychedelics for happiness, you may also withdraw from life if you don't integrate your lessons or use them as escapism, but that's true with any addiction and psychedelics usually compensate for that by giving you ever worse trips until you get your shit together. 9. There's a non-zero percent chance that you become an actual alien, gain psychic abilities, or hallucinate yourself away
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Sugarcoat replied to Sugarcoat's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Clarence I personally believe in some kind of reincarnation . Spirituality is so broad it is both the abstract absolute stuff and the more tangible concrete stuff in new age so ofc there’s bullshit in new age and with everything there is risk of getting stuck in paradigm but i think its good to explore different stuff , spirituality doesn’t have to only be the non dual stuff -
Clarence replied to Sugarcoat's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Could you give an exemple of a New Age type of paradigm? I am not certain to know what those are and what precisely is meant by New Age. For exemple, would believing in past lives and reincarnation - or at least, in the possibility of it here (as there are verified cases of people remembering their past lives) be considered a New Age type of paradigm? -
Breakingthewall replied to Exystem's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This question has a problem, and that is that it interprets (as is inevitable) infinity as a straight temporal line. In the absence of limits, endless reincarnation has already occurred infinitely many times, which is equivalent to saying that it will occur infinitely many times, or that it is occurring now infinitely many times, or that it has never occurred. once your current pattern of existence disappears, you will never have existed. Does the 10-year-old boy that you were exist now? Only your essential nature exists and it will always be that way, the forms will always be the current form, and another will never have existed or will exist, or will have existed and will exist infinitely. It is the same, the mind cannot grasp it because it works in 3d, not in infinite d. -
Keryo Koffa replied to Oppositionless's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Oppositionless Now that's a good question, I can't experientially confirm anything yet. There are many reincarnation models and one would wonder what exactly the condition for an NDE or actual death experience is. Does the brain have to be destroyed, what about all the distributed sensations in the body? If one is completely frozen, does that just freeze consciousness, so that no time would pass in the mean time and it would feel like a night of sleep instantly awakening to the future? And then the nature of the self and probable other selves, in fact the distinction between yourself and an identical copy, the nature of consciousness. Leo once said in one of his videos that there is only one god playing the character and everything else is fake, later he changed that to the infinity of gods each controlling a character and then you'd have to wonder if god simulating characters doesn't simultaneously live all of them anyway. And of course I'd kinda assume that there is a background god consciousness knowing exactly what happens to that individual soul of yours being frozen so I don't think you'd be taken out of the body just yet and get to experience the future personally. Many models talk about coming to Earth on a mission choosing all experiences beforehand, but that's just from what I heard/read, all speculation and I can't even confirm the reincarnational model, even though I believe it ties things together really nicely and am inclined to trust it, but that's still an subjective gut feeling/assumption I go by. -
Exystem replied to Exystem's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@puporing I don't want to dismiss what you are saying, I would agree on some stuff - but from my understanding it seems strange to "(not) plan about coming back", to "be required to teach/heal", to "have attraction to this universe". There is a lot of duality expressed in these words. Leo once said something around "If you can't see god in the shit in your toilet you ain't awake" - I would totally agree. This dream is getting spiced up, but no worrries. When there is literally no death, mind can get pretty twisted and sarcastic. I don't know whether I am too critical here but to be honest it seems as if you were creating a story around a messiah awakening or something like that. There are tons of people claiming to be the second coming of christ, it's almost always all words but not walking the talk. How many guys I have heard talking about their last reincarnation being jesus buddha or whatever, almost never someone claimed to have been a bug or a farmer. It's clear to me that it is all a story, I don't feel the urge to compare anymore. But if you honestly believe in yourself to be who you claim, you gotta be convincing without words. I wish you the best for it - go for it, we need jesus's today! -
My intellectual pursuit is about a theory, which would hold not regarding on whether there is reincarnation or heaven or not, or whether we could have advanced psychic abilities or not. If the theory of life, karma and ethics, also the logic is not becoming inefficient with some combinations of variables, and you can always use more or less the same language, it's kind of scientific. Especially, it's communicative - science is shared -, and it allows people with different abilities and perceptions of truth to understand each others based on the same model. I do have a strong personal opinion and experience about whether I believe one or another of such claims, but for me a more important point is understanding and safe feelings with diverse world views, also the ability to point out the same mistakes. I have the most important points: Psychic Powers: Spiritual views do not specifically address that psychic powers, or deep consciousness about things like love and compassion (which have a taste of a miracle, when you experience them, even when they are basically quite simple to scientifically explain up to certain degree), would somehow require attributes of physics, which are not easy to find out or link with humans. More easy theory is that whether you have those abilities or not, your brain is still probable to develop a model of perception, which feels like real telepathy or magic power; our brain is multitasked, and when it reacts to all kinds of things, it finally creates our "virtual reality". It can be mixed - I have perceptions, which I call telepathy, but those are much more detailed and clear when I am also in material contacts with people; those can be very strong, but rather chaotic perceptions, but I can create models of brain functioning, which could reach similar occurrences without any radio contact or non-locality. I am very sure that telepathy utilizes such processes, and gains advantage of conscious and subconscious material inflow of information and processing of facts. Spiritually, this is philosophical case - it's not very important in terms of how we help the humankind and our friends, whether the psychic power is somehow "unnatural" or hard to explain; it's rather the spiritual, practical case, that it either works or does not. I would say we have many perceptions of other people, even perceptions of their emotions in more or less the same time when they are happening in the distance, and this skill can be developed further - in terms of spiritual growth, we want this human contribution and it's a side-effect if we can provide some new interesting details to science about the functioning or possibilities of humans, or about specific genes or strengths of soul, or phases of development. Enlightenment: As explained by Buddha, we do not need any mystery at all to explain why good karma, and cultivation of virtues of Buddhism and other religions, would eventually help to get to more meaningful and deeper stages of life. Indeed, clear consciousness of certain truths with a strength of a theorem, which is told to be a prerequisite to be a non-returner, leads us to best consequence. Attributes, which are similar to described psychic powers, would also appear in natural world by people simply supporting us in ways, which resemble those powers; for example we get more information as we handle it more carefully and responsibly, and our emotions affect other people more, when we are emotionally more beneficial. We could mean very material things by those terms about the powers, and this could possibly benefit the people, who understand the theorems in enlightenment, but do not have any prerequisites of psychic powers, if such are possible, or who do not want to break the philosophy of materialism - they would fulfill those ideals with material or scientific means and bring the same karmic consequence with people, who are capable of something harder to explain. To be neutral, we need to be very social with those people, who are atheists, but ethical, and create technologies or techniques equivalent to good magic. For example, by becoming more sensitive without becoming sensitives. Ethics: Equivalent models appear, whether the ethics is applied to our interactions with people and physical matter, or any kind of entities with higher consciousness or other powers; karmic or ethical principles of energy, doing good and bad, rewards and punishments - they happen all around, follow the same patterns, and eventually lead to same decisions. We can see a vision in a dream, but we cannot find out, how the brain or mind creates this - are we aware of every psychological, physical and biological factor or not. In religion, for example Buddhism, I think this is completely irrelevant; it's questionable, whether this is very important in terms of efficiency, whether we have explained it all or not. Eventually, as we measure it, we explain it and our spiritual theories would not have such exceptions or anomalies for long time - theories of magic, about how to apply will by creating a subconscious intent, is simply a psychology; those things could have been unresearched centuries ago, but today it's only a question, how many forces of nature are involved - theoretically, the magic works anyway, i.e. you can create a subconscious intent somehow and it would seem to create small meaningful random events in your life, with butterfly effects of some kind etc. Logic: Also, very similar attributes of logic, like lack of resources, management of time etc., are there in all those potential spheres. To be scientifically neutral, we have to consider the following: Not claim that something must break the physics, and atheists or skeptics should also not be so sure in this; I mean something we really experience. Alternative theories exist, which are not too demanding and imply the effects of some kind. The mind, it alters the matter anyway, even if it does use our bodies and all kinds of signals between people or people and the nature. We should not be sensational or give people very high, unrealistic promises, as we experience deeper, more subtle things. There are also a probability that some people are, for example, as sensitive as we are, but in a way which can be more or less *completely* explained; for them, they use the standard terms to talk about those topics. Having a common language, so that all those different people, who have built different models in their brains, can use the same language about things, which have a real impact. For example, someone might have hypersensory perception, but it's not so easy to verify this - it's much more easy to see, if they have any benefit in communication with people, finding objects, creating something etc. These real effects, which affect our lives, should be expressed in same terms as we use when we are sure someone could do the same with only the known attributes of human body and mind. For example, a telepathic experience might be unreliable to verify or very vague, but we can measure the people on basis of their effective communication, and the benefit from this communication. If they are able to benefit from their abilities, it would naturally affect their score, but also you can create more effective communication based on more introspection about the language and it's possibilities. It's rather philosophical, how you do it, and practical, what you are doing - so, the philosophy of others is not so much disturbing us, but the practical sides should be measured and standardized between models, like approaches of psychology, which explain certain factors with something hypersensory, or approaches, which explain them materialistically. Those are useful models and we need a common language, which would not confuse people about what you are actually able to do with all what you are. But still, there are differences ..I think we still need freedom of religion. It's currently assumed that all companies follow the same laws and thus hire people with all religious backgrounds - but rather, we should bring this freedom to another level, where companies can be different, valuating traits coming from religions or atheism, but the ecosystem is diverse, so that it's assured that all the different companies exist (in different areas of life); also that we do not check the spirituality, but the exact strengths coming from it, and appreciate when atheists have same kind of ethics, and materialist solutions to same problems.
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50.7 Questioner: Thank you. Can you expand on the concept which is this: that it is necessary for an entity to, during incarnation in the physical as we call it, become polarized or interact properly with other entities and why this isn’t possible in between incarnations when he is aware of what he wants to do, but why must he come into an incarnation and lose memory, conscious memory of what he wants to do and then act in a way that he hopes to act? Could you expand on that please? Ra: I am Ra. Let us give the example of the man who sees all the poker hands. He then knows the game. It is but child’s play to gamble, for it is no risk. The other hands are known. The possibilities are known and the hand will be played correctly but with no interest. In time/space and in the true-color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception. Thus much may be accomplished in harmony but the mind/body/spirit gains little polarity from this interaction. Let us re-examine this metaphor and multiply it into the longest poker game you can imagine, a lifetime. The cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin — and we stress begin — to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However, your only indication of other-selves’ cards is to look into the eyes. You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love; can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit beingness totality.
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Javfly33 replied to Zeroguy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
But that is called reincarnation, isn't it? Isn´t the point of Spirituality to stop the cycle of birth and death? -
After spending a bit more time on it... I think this issue is a great example of the pre/trans fallacy. A lot of people see Howards ideas as these mystical, quasi-ethereal, science breaking truths from a higher plane of existence - when in reality, it's PROPABLY not much more than the next psychotic narcissist who uses complicated sophistry. The reason why so many people fall for it is because it "sounds smart" - but it just isn't. So much of what he says directly contradicts what we know: Arsenic is toxic because of a variety of very specific intracellular mechanisms and there are 100 years of biological reserach behind that fact - if you think the toxicity stems from "DNA wrapping around the Arsenic-molecule" (lol), then bring some sort of proof for it - don't just say it - show us! Look, I want those things to be true as much as the next guy - because it sounds interesting as fuck - but let's be real, it's highly likely just nonsense as we have seen again and again. We, as a community of spiritually inclined individuals, should distance ourselves from lunatics. The ideas that actually are likely to be valid (primacy of conciousness, NDEs, Reincarnation..) have no chance of getting a wider recognition if we are constantly associated with crazy people.
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Exystem replied to Exystem's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
True haha You believe that there is an alternative to endless reincarnation? If it could be reached, wouldn't it have been already during the infinitely long past? And who says/believes you were born in the first place? I once had a mescaline trip and realized after "attaining nirvana" as buddha I had nothing better to do than imagining the next better illusion. It was like "game over" and you're like "damn I just even started the game". Oh yeah of course it can look like that! It probably even will. But if you look for that, you're screwed -
Shawn Philips replied to enchanted's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
God is trapped in the reincarnation cycle and his memory gets wiped again and again... doesnt it look like a satanic matrix? -
I have lately reached the idea, what means being scientific about the God - so that an argument that the Pope would lie to a believer would not apply. Scientists have said believers in God are easy to deceive, but they did not reach a conclusion, what those people should do to be more modern and scientific. We know that God is said to be "totality of everything", "the Truth" etc. We can make many scientific notations, about what such entity would expect from us, should he exist. Also, those are ethical things - the whole, the truth, and all those properties, do exist scientifically and we can term them as "God" even if God does not exist in separate consciousness - this takes our scientific view to the end, we can speak scientifically, what it is to follow the Truth, the Wisdom, or the Goodness. Our collective, working together, creates some kind of God - a collective synchronicity, a Truth of higher kind etc., even if God does not exist. In evolution, bigger and bigger wholes appear, and they will be more alive - the collective consciousness of everything would evolve definitely and much of this has definitely been happening. We can identify this as God. Also, our ethical behaviour produces higher principles and brings the positive qualities into existence - this is beneficial to us and to the society, and so similar to God that we can talk about the God if it does not otherwise exist, as a beneficial whole or the all, which comes from our behaviour - this is the aspect of God of existing subjectively, as one believes in God. We can do scientific work about those properties, the qualities of the real God, and be philosophical whether this is the real God or the whole of our activities and the Universe, which benefits from being the whole, and thus creates an entity, which can be spoken as God in action. Those two theories are definitely, in my experience, the same - the ethics and logics we appear. God is neutral, and thus it's like the Laws of Nature - so if something gives good ends and creates bigger wholes, this is our way to the God. It brings Paradise to an Earth, and reaching some kind of Paradise is also scientific - it's what we benefit from, and we can prove this and sane people would understand the proof or think they need to work on this, on ethical life. When we work on this, we can prove scientifically that many things of the Bible and the Indian texts about God would really be the desires and actions of such entity, and when the society is creating this kind of whole out of it, thus following the God, it would definitely benefit us - the simplest model of this is "God", it's the simplest theory to describe such behaviour of the whole. When people learn this into scientific understanding about God, we would be modern and not depend on personal ego of some priest or teacher - we would see, whether their talk is scientific. If someone claims to be God or godlike creature, we would also measure their theories scientifically, and understand whether those bring the good karmic consequence a God would do. This way, God would be equal to us - we work on theries about the God and reach our individual understanding, whether the omnipotent, omnipresent etc. nature of the Laws of the Nature would do this; we know that the real benefit of such being is mutually beneficial - the Whole and the Parts benefit from the same things; so when God is not beneficial to us, the evolution of the Whole would turn around and the Whole would evolve, creating a different God, or more decent reincarnation. By thinking independently, we are equal to God, in the sense by which democratic people are equal - to the law, the President is equal to a Cleaner, but they understand the laws better and probably follow them on much higher level; but the President is supposed to leave the Cleaner their free mind, and when they break their rights without reason, it's a hard case - a president can justify a criminal, but it's expected that he does this by the law. I do not see a reason, why the Goodest of the beings would be not equal in such sense, in the modern time, when people do not need so many orders and are able to think independently - God, also, would require us to be democratic and independent thinkers; this kind of motivation is indeed beneficial to the God and the society, as much as it's beneficial to the president, when the people have personal motivation. So it's very scientific that in modern times, God would not want us to be slaves of the priest, or manipulated - even if in more traditional times, when people had more rules and less individual motivation, God would have needed to be such as well, more similar to their common leaders. By adapting this view about the God, Spiritual people would follow their motto - to be modern people, independent thinkers, even if very cooperative.
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No_Manny replied to No_Manny's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
CHATGPT: ARGUMENTS AGAINST: The soul trap or prison planet theory suggests that human souls are trapped or imprisoned on Earth, unable to escape or progress to higher spiritual realms. Here are some arguments to disprove this theory: Lack of concrete evidence: The soul trap theory is largely based on speculation and anecdotal accounts rather than concrete evidence. There is no scientific proof or empirical data to support the existence of a soul trap or prison planet. Diverse spiritual beliefs: Different cultures and religions have varying beliefs about the afterlife and the journey of the soul. The soul trap theory is not universally accepted and contradicts many traditional spiritual teachings. Personal spiritual experiences: Many individuals report having near-death experiences or spiritual awakenings that involve feelings of peace, love, and connection to a higher power. These experiences often suggest that the soul is not trapped but free to transcend physical limitations. Evolution of consciousness: The concept of soul evolution implies that souls are on a journey of growth and learning through multiple lifetimes. If souls were truly trapped on Earth, it would hinder their progress and development. Free will and choice: The idea of a soul trap contradicts the concept of free will and personal choice. If souls were imprisoned against their will, it would raise ethical questions about the nature of existence and spiritual autonomy. Overall, while the soul trap theory may be intriguing to some, there is limited empirical evidence to support it, and it conflicts with many established spiritual beliefs and experiences. *** ARGUMENTS FOR While the soul trap or prison planet theory is not widely accepted and lacks empirical evidence, some arguments that could potentially support this theory include: Reincarnation cycles: Proponents of the soul trap theory may argue that the cycle of reincarnation on Earth is a form of imprisonment for the soul. They might suggest that souls are continuously reincarnated without their consent, keeping them bound to the physical realm. Collective suffering: The prevalence of suffering, injustice, and inequality on Earth could be interpreted as evidence of a soul trap. Advocates of this theory may argue that the challenges and hardships faced by individuals are part of a larger system designed to keep souls trapped in a cycle of suffering. Spiritual amnesia: Some proponents of the soul trap theory suggest that souls are subjected to a form of spiritual amnesia upon entering the physical realm. This amnesia prevents individuals from remembering their true spiritual nature and purpose, contributing to the feeling of being trapped. Control by higher beings: The soul trap theory often involves the idea that higher-dimensional beings or entities are responsible for trapping souls on Earth. These beings may manipulate human consciousness and reincarnation processes to maintain control over souls. Limited spiritual growth: Supporters of the soul trap theory may argue that the challenges and distractions of the physical world hinder spiritual growth and evolution. They might suggest that souls are kept in a state of ignorance or illusion that prevents them from reaching higher levels of consciousness. It's important to note that these arguments are speculative and not based on scientific evidence. The soul trap theory remains a controversial and fringe belief within the realm of spirituality and metaphysics. -
tvaeli replied to tvaeli's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
My answer, to cover all your topics, was very long. So I write down the short points: God is the Totality of All, including the Truth, Laws of Nature, the First Cause of it's birth; it's the entity of those all - the causes and effects in action, to the last and final, in infinity, are God. It's equal to Goodness and purified mind. The opposites of these things, like the Lies, breaking the Laws of Nature (doing something with intent, which actions are later cancelled out or lost in evolutions), the badness - it's not God, but rather the Satan. In the Laws of Nature, the Truth appears, things get always better and more synchronized. So, in time, all those aspects of God appear more strongly. It's also consistent with religions that as time passes, we get closer to Paradise and the manifested God in our lives and the civilization. The Reason, indeed, in some form existed right from the beginning - I personally believe that when some future is impossible by laws of Nature, this impossibility also affects the past; from Quantum Physics I know that the light somehow moves in accordance with the future, but I believe all the laws of nature are like this. So, by the Reason, the reality without God might be impossible. I also believe that the whole is a frequency, and this appears as a God as person when some beings are born on this frequency. But the God as person - people are said to become Gods as they become enlightened; their minds become infinite and thus, they are more equal to God or rather gods. There is the total infinity, but there are also many degrees of lesser and greater infinity - when you reach infinite potential, "god" is the general word, which describes that. In material world, when a person is born with mind able to work to infinity, it's kind of reincarnation of God. There are many meanings and shades, what people mean by somebody being God or god - there is one, complete definition of God, but also what is getting closer to this, is somewhat one of a kind. Science is commutative, and thus to speak scientifically - we need definitions, which apply not depending on whether God exists. Thus, the results of the process of unification, the appearance of higher truth and goodness, the reason, which brings us closer to this and gives meaning to move towards paradise and godlike properties of our reality; all this has to be seen as God. To be decent people of modern society, we need to know that for a good leader or a good country, it's highly important that people are independent and understand the meanings of their actions, rather than simply following the orders. It's unreasonable to think that this is not beneficial to God - we expect God to be "equal" in sense that he, also, does not simply order us, but inspires and helps to understand. Being scientific, for a civilization, might be creating big and unified theories - for a person it's more a process of finding models, which are understandable to them, and help to work on their truth on their own. When you follow a theory you do not understand, or a spiritual text based on visions you do not see and senses you do not have - you are not scientific, but easily manipulated and not able to work on this truth at all; you also make wrong decisions, because you get wrong answers with formulas more complex than you can manage. Scientific personality is not a person of top science, but a person, who has based their lives on models they can understand and develop further. We need some degree of trust and authority, but even this has to be questioned. Truth is a personal thing - it's a model, which works for you; it can be in contradiction with other models, which work as well, because the essential implications of the model work very well, but there might be side-effects coming from simplicity, or the complications of not having an unified model; all the paradigms are that up to a degree. We are scientific about the God, when we have deep philosophy, which reflects the causes and effects of us in reality, as if the reality is a big creature. By natural sciences, it's similar to creature anyway - the society and it's interaction with the ecosystem has all the properties, like being able to react, to learn, etc. In such way, God might exist or not exist, but in both cases we can be very sure what we mean by reflecting the will of the God. Having good science, we can still be interested in works of reincarnations of God, prophets or people, who speak with God - but we can reflect this better and are less prone to manipulation. -
Is Reincarnation Real? How does it work? If someone commits suicide, to what kind of a life will he reincarnate? Will he start from zero in terms of consciousness work or will he continue from where he stopped?
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How do you go from "nothingness" to reincarnation as a whole new individual? There must still be something above that decides what to create. It's logical, if you become nothing and despite yourself become something totally new, it's because you are not God.
