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We will see, thank you Just to refer to your earlier point. Simply because they are one in the same. The paper ticket is as real as the character receiving it. Hence the synonymous relationship. They only appear divided until the ticket is received from which they then become one again. Consciousness is nothingness and so is a psychedelic experience. However, the mind has obscured this singularity by ascribing them different values since they appear relative and different through the lens of mind. Once the mind, the “I” realises its categories are illusory the “self” creating the division will dissolve and the psychedelic state becomes just as synonymous to the nothingness of consciousness.

Hello my friends. Last 4 days i am having crazy satori moments. Days and nights are becoming too long. I am being so aware normally even during the day. 4 nights ago i was meditating and become giant mind, which is my room. Because it was right in front of me. I close my eyes i was nothing, because it was right in front of me. I was the moment thats it. My brain transformed to infinite mind, i can see why i dont die. Because, i am my room, eyes dont see. Every molecule of my room or whatever i am aware of me otherwise it doesn’t exist. No time, life, nothing exist here. It is so quite. Just me happens here thats why i watch the body. People are human because they just believe they are human and body (born, can see, die) thats it. I believed i am god i have become. Thats why i am infinite whatever I believe iam. Because of that i am nothing. I am aware of you guys but life exist as me. Death can not happen because every process is me. This so called world or us is nothing, or whatever we do it doesn’t change anything , because it happens within nothingness , so nothingness can never change. I am exist as nothing but aware and everything but aware. I cant see as human anymore, whatever i see is me, my thoughts are me thats why i cant think and i am aware of just me. I am not living now, last 2-3 days. Life is not happening, just me. Even table moves or my arm all process is me it doesn’t change anything. This is so effortless, i can see why thinking makes you so tired, you spend more effort to become enlightened (with thoughts) than they are supposed to be thats why people cant get it. It is right here the moment. What am i going to do now? Used the body will it is so called dies or just be witness? I feel if I meditate more, i will just continue to meditate. There is no effort that you even sleeping you have to breathe, that you is just being. Because of just being, it doesn’t need anything. Last 4 days everytime I meditate i just stop. I dont know how can i explain that but everything is stopped. There is no time here or death or thought or sound. I cant see anything just me. What do you guy think? Life is not fading away, meanings are fading away that why life is not happening. Additionally, I explained these because i dont even want to write, I didn’t need it. I forced myself to write. Additionally, i know it is permanent, because it is in me like an ego. Stays with me. Cant get rid of it anymore. “The moment “. Right in front of you.

It might take a long time, but I find it exiting how multiple “disciplines” seem to be moving closer to a common knowing. https://iai.tv/articles/a-universe-of-nothingness-auid-1557

That's already not true because many people on the forum have already taken psychedelics in dreams. And many other points on the list are also not that difficult like: figuring out the root cause of diseases, whole body orgasms, talking with guides and aliens, doing magick which affects your physical life and projecting to our physical dimension. These should be very attainable. The other points are more difficult though. The dreamed up substance is of course not the same as a real psychedelic and it itself doesn't cause a mystical experience, it's one's expectation. It doesn't matter whether a dream psychedelic is like one from real life. The important thing is whether it can give you a mystical experience. God can be accessed from every dimension, including the physical, the astral and dreams. So If you have the expectancy that the psychedelic will get you there then it will. And if you dream up for example LSD and expect it to have the same effects as real LSD, it will. It won't be from real LSD, but what's the difference? Though an issue could be that you imagine Nothingness/Love/God rather than experiencing the actual thing. But it is certainly possible to get to the real thing, so if you are aware of the issue and are good at OBEing, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. And perhaps it isn't a problem at all, and you automatically get to the actual 'thing'.

Lucid dreams are a kind of OBEs. Dreams don't happen in your brain or inside you, while APs are outside and real. If you have an AP you project your consciousness to a place that was already there. It exists independently of you and you usually see other real beings. When you dream you project your consciousness also to a 'real place' but it's void. Its like you project into an empty soup, a kind of nothingness. So there is nothing independent there, so your subconscious creates an environment. That's because you are constantly projecting energy outward and it manifests as whatever is going on in your subconscious. If you practice energetic containment, as taught by John kreiter, you can reverse that process. You stop radiating energy outward, thus the environment fades away till you are in a kinda nothingness. This all takes place at a real 'place'. Therefore it is possible to visit other people's dreams or be visited by spirits or aliens in your dreams. So your dreams aren't private. And there is no hard line between AP and a dream. There can be already a bit of an independent scene, and you add your projections. So it becomes a mix of independent environment and your projections. Though I assume that most dreams are purely your subconscious creation. But John Kreiter says that they are (often) real worlds that will continue to exist and evolve after you end your dream, but I haven't fully understood that yet. What happens if you take psychedelics in 'real' life? Love/Consciousness/God is always here, but most people don't recognize it, like trying to see yellow when wearing red glasses. Psychedelics make you see what was always there. Dreams don't exist within this physical reality. They exist paralell to physical reality. So when dreaming you are just as close to Source as in waking life (or closer). So when you have a deep psychedelic trip in a dream, you probably don't imagine it but experience the actual thing as if you were taking psychedelics in real life. In real life psychedelics work by changing your brain chemistry. In dreams they work through expectation. So it is helpful if you already had mystical experiences. But it isn't necessary. It's enough that you have some theoretical knowledge about enlightenment or just try to genuinely find out what Reality is made of. And therefore you don't really need psychedelics in dreams, you could just do some kind of self-inquiry but psychedelics are probably more powerful because you know how powerful they are and therefore will probably get you deeper.

Great work! This is magnificent. You are one of the few who truly see through the invariably deceptive illusion of solipsism. When there is no ego seperate from reality, all is real and all is you. Nothing is secondary, all is part of you, therefore real. Solipsism is the illusory belief that the ego-mind is real and nothing else is. But there is no ego-mind that projects a world. Ego-mind and the world is created from the one infinite consciousness. All is I and all is one. That’s why terms that are not indicative of a personal pronoun are sometimes preferred. Such as: consciousness, infinity, nothingness, emptiness, oneness, non-duality etc. These terms essentially mean all there exists is the one reality. Loneliness cannot prevail when there is no subject/object relation. Loneliness requires duality. When duality, self and other collapse so too does the very notion of aloneness. Great insights!

@Inliytened1 i am conscious of it. But more of it, makes me unconscious about here or you. Because i am fully awake those moments. Body is just moving, at least i feel the body. But i am at the position, which is full nothingness or everything is too much me. I cant move, but body does with the environment, i am just the watcher, but not here.

The only difference (if it could be called that) between this transmission quoting Ramana and the one conveyed on this thread are the choice words used such as Consciousness,True Self, Higher Self, Infinity and so on... reason being, it still sounds dualistic as in there is something or someone that has attained this Consciousness or Higher Self/True Self realization. Of course these are the limitations of language which is dualistic in nature... it really depends on how the words are perceived. In fact listening to this video it actually sounds like the way that Consciousness and True Self are being used are just pointers to what apparently appears after Awakening which is everything that appears AKA THIS!! An empty fullness; a pregnant nothingness; its real and unreal. It is what it is... there is no meaning purpose or value to any of it because there is no one here for it to matter for ❤

@DaHonorableCourt great trip. Did you realized nothingness, unconditional love, the moment or purpose of creation?

Brother i am nothing or only awareness %20 of the day ( i am witness of the body). I am in the movie with my ego 80% of the day but still aware. Do you get what i tell you? And you telling me psychedelics. Lol. if you say body is alive or life , which is an illusion ((because you learned from the words that you are alive human vs,) just tell me how can you trust the language? you are not in the body, this place is an projection of projector. Additionally, nothingness is the projector of the projection. Therefore, if the projector is nothing, projection is coming from nothing, because of that projection is dream of nothingness. You are in the game, which has no disc, and created by nothingness.

@Javfly33 Thank you brother. Good luck in your pursuits as well <3 No problem. solipsism can relatively speaking be viewed as true. Absolutely speaking, it's not. The only things that are absolutely true are: God. Consciousness. Love. Absolute Infinity. Infinite Imagination. And all these 5 things are all pointing to the same truth: God. Language/words are just pointers though. Either you directly get it or you don't. Words don't really matter (yet they also do in a sense, in order to ground you as God in human form). You can surely come up with more Absolute True words for the Absolute Truth. LIke "Nothingness" and so on. It all works (as pointers).

Nothingness is not love.

@kagaria I would recommend attempting to reframe this. See it as an opportunity. An indivisible void which requires entering in order to become fulfilled again. The void of nothingness is a direct fear of death - hence the contentious topic of dying - but that should not dispute the power of realising such a thing. The void from which all is imagined should be where one finds solace since it is the one thing that cannot be disturbed. imperturbable and untainted in nature. Regarding the contrary, materialism or any ideology for that matter, they should be seen as opportunities for growth. See this as an opportunity to invite a dialogue with people so bought into what they have been predisposed. Help them imagine the beauty of the void so as to dissolve imagination all together. Also consider that imagination is the pure expression of the void. Don’t resent it or demonise it. It’s there for a reason, to be used wisely by those who wield it. You have stumbled across something you may not yet have realised the true significance of. It’s far greater than what one could ever comprehend. And far more ineffable than imaginable.

I think this quote from John of the cross really gets to the essence of true christian mysticism and spirituality, even though I am nowhere near to apply everything he talks about in my own life: “First of all, carefully excite in yourself an habitual affectionate will in all things to imitate Jesus Christ. If anything agreeable offers itself to your senses, yet does not at the same time tend purely to the honor and glory of God, renounce it and separate yourself from it for the love of Christ, who all his life long had no other taste or wish than to do the will of his Father whom he called his meat and nourishment. For example, you take satisfaction in hearing of things in which the glory of God bears no part. Deny yourself this satisfaction, mortify your wish to listen. You take pleasure in seeing objects which do not raise your mind to God: refuseyourself this pleasure, and turn away your eyes. The same with conversations and all other things. Act similarly, so far as you are able, with all the operations of the senses, striving to make yourself free from their yokes. “The radical remedy lies in the mortification of the four great natural passions, joy, hope, fear, and grief. You must seek to deprive these of every satisfaction and leave them as it were in darkness and the void. Let your soul therefore turn always: “Not to what is most easy, but to what is hardest; “Not to what tastes best, but to what is most distasteful; “Not to what most pleases, but to what disgusts; “Not to matter of consolation, but to matter for desolation rather; “Not to rest, but to labor; “Not to desire the more, but the less; “Not to aspire to what is highest and most precious, but to what is lowest and most contemptible; “Not to will anything, but to will nothing; “Not to seek the best in everything, but to seek the worst, so that you may enter for the love of Christ into a complete destitution, a perfect poverty of spirit, and an absolute renunciation of everything in this world. Embrace these practices with all the energy of your soul and you will find in a short time great delights and unspeakable consolations. “Despise yourself, and wish that others should despise you. " “Speak to your own disadvantage, and desire others to do the same;" “Conceive a low opinion of yourself, and find it good when others hold the same;" “To enjoy the taste of all things, have no taste for anything.“ "To know all things, learn to know nothing. “To possess all things, resolve to possess nothing." “To be all things, be willing to be nothing “ "To get to where you have no taste for anything, go through whatever experiences you have no taste for." “To learn to know nothing, go whither you are ignorant." “To reach what you possess not, go whithersoever you own nothing.“ "To be what you are not, experience what you are not.” “When you stop at one thing, you cease to open yourself to the All. “For to come to the All you must give up the All. “And if you should attain to owning the All, you must own it, desiring Nothing. “In this spoliation, the soul finds its tranquillity and rest. Profoundly established in the centre of its own nothingness, it can be assailed by naught that comes from below; and since it no longer desires anything, what comes from above cannot depress it; for its desires alone are the causes of its woes.” “When you stop at one thing, you cease to open yourself to the All. “For to come to the All you must give up the All. “And if you should attain to owning the All, you must own it, desiring Nothing. “In this spoliation, the soul finds its tranquillity and rest. Profoundly established in the centre of its own nothingness, it can be assailed by naught that comes from below; and since it no longer desires anything, what comes from above cannot depress it; for its desires alone are the causes of its woes.” TLDR:Renounce yourself completely and give up all of your selfish desires and attachments in order to cling to god alone.

I was walking and contemplating infinity this morning. I came to a realization that some people may have talked about before, but it's a new insight for me, and maybe some mathematics minded people might find useful, so I thought I would share. We all know the concept of infinity, but I think it's very useful to explain the nature of reality. We all want to think of what's behind the thing we are experiencing. When we say that Everything came from Nothing, we ask where did this "Nothing" come from?It's hard to understand Nothingness. We want PROOF. We want to "Picture" Consciousness. We can all think of 0 as Nothing right? The absence of Something. Even 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001 is not 0. It's Absolute Nothingness. So 0 represents the substance of what reality is created from. Consciousness. The ever present formless void of Anything. But, reality is created through DISTINCTIONS. Anything that is not a distinction is Nothingness. These distinctions represent our thoughts, beliefs, perceptions, etc. Essentially, anything that makes US. The story we've been told, the story we tell ourselves. Our EGO. It's all DISTINCTIONS. Anything else would be Nothingness. So 1 is a distinction. 2 is a distinction. 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001 is a distinction. And as we know numbers go on to infinity is every possible way. There is just as many numbers between 0 and 1 as there are between 0 and 0.1---- INFINITE POSSIBILITIES. But there are also Negative numbers as well. So this is useful when we think of what is behind the Nothingness. Are there other Nothingnesses? But there can't be. because anything that is other that 0 is a distinction, in the negative direction too. I think of negative numbers as "Going Meta" We're still making distinctions but we think we are getting closer to the truth. Lol Our first distinction was I AM ME. And from that, all other distintions were created on top of it. From there we build equations and we do calculations to make sense of all of our life, but that's just creating other distinctions, in turn, creating more reality. So all of OUR reality is just a specific zoom level of the Infinite Fractal of number possibilies of distinctions. So in that sense, the realization that I had was that: We are all a Number on the scale of Infinity that is constantly changing with new calculations we make every day. And the goal of this math is to get to 0. Loving or Unselfish things will Subtract or Divide your number and Selfish or Devilish things might Add or Multiply your number. So calculations can be small like eating an apple might be 3582958239535239582 - 10 = 3582958239535239572. Meditation might divide by 5 everytime you sit down. Doing something selfish or devilish might Add or worst, Multiply your number that may take to years to do the right calculations to bring it back. But Taking 5-Meo or staring at your hand for a week will Divide by 0, showing you a glimpse of Absolute Nothingness, but then your ego quickly multiplies it back. So I like to think of all this self-actualization work as just making little calculations every day to bring me closer to 0, in other words. God.

I have been reading the book Sapiens and it has really opened my mind to the importance of stories in all aspects of human life. Stories build civilizations, stories destroy civilizations. Narrative and Context are the foundation of human behaviour. This is true on an individual aswell as a collective level. For humans a life without context and narrative is a life without meaning. Humans will strive to create context and narrative, because it is what fuels all their actions. This is what makes us different from other animals. It is not intelligence, because intelligence is found in all beings and even the particles of the universe themselves. The capacity to create stories is what truly differentiate us. All art is Story. All religion is Story. All laws and morals are Story. All of history is Story. All of Future is Story. Without a coherent Story, without Context, Civilization will fall apart and disintegrate. A civilization which has a coherent Story for it's past, future and present is what will outcompete all other civilizations. Freedom of speech is the end of civilization if there is no unifying story. This is why we have the emergence of conspiracy theories. This is not dysfunction, this is a feature of Evolution. It is literally God's perfect work in action. A failure to create a unifying story will lead to the self-emergance of unifying stories. This ensures that civilizations keeps operating and progressing. In the bigger picture the desire to create the story of conspiracies is equal to the desire to create civilization, meaning and progress. In the western world the story of Christ has fallen and we have not yet found a story which replaces it. You will not win the war against conspiracy theories with facts, reason and understanding. You are fighting a force far greater than reason, science and understanding. You are fighting that which has fuel human behaviour from the dawn of mankind. You are fighting that which build the pyramids, which build all religions, which build all science, which build all spiritual practices. You are fighting the most powerful force in nature, a force which can destroy this planet or make it thrive. A force which has caused a mass extinctions on a level equivalent to the force which wiped out the dinosaurs. The evolution of stories is as important as the evolution of species. If we do not create a more compelling story than the conspiracy theorists, than religions or governments, then we will be subjugated by those stories inevitably. Without stories we do not know who we want to become, who we are and who we were. We do not know where to go, where we are and where we came from. A compelling story can change your entire life and it can change entire civilizations. And there is no stopping the stories. If you do not create a compelling story for yourself and civilization, someone else will. This is necessity, this is Nature in action. Our civilization requires a compelling and unifying narrative. A narrative stronger than all conspiracy theories, all religion and all nations. A narrative stronger than self-indulgance and selfishness. The only thing that keeps us from truly thriving is a compelling story. It will not be the scientists who will determine the future of this planet, but the story tellers. To tell a story is to shine light into the darkness of the unknown. It is one of the most powerful forms Manifestation. Fundamentally story telling is the act of actualizing the Infinite Potential of Nothingness. You can have all the potential you want, if you do not create a story so that you can manifest that potential, you will forever remain unactualized. What we need is conscious story tellers. This is by far what our civilization lacks most. We need to be better than the Alex Jones', Jordan Petersons, Donald Trumps of the world. We need to be more compelling, more unifying, more determined. Notice that all of them are creating stories in the realm of reality, not fiction. Star Wars is a wonderfully compelling story, but it is not grounded in reality. We need a stories that are attached to us, our civilization and our actual future. Fiction is not enough.

You are conscious of me right now right? That your conscious mind includes, your ego, my ego, everything and nothing. Because thats not your mind that’s infinite consciousness. If you say how can be everything and nothing at the same time?, because hot and cold, good and evil, human and god, if evil is not exist, goodness will be useless. All opposite sides complete each other and when you added them they will be equal to 0, which is nothingness. Such as result of adding infinite positive numbers and negative numbers will be 0. If it includes everything it must be empty. Because if there is no one side of opposite , other side of can not be exist, it will be meaningless.

You have absolutely no clue as to what "illusory" and "imaginary" entails, and if you do, you are severely underestimating it. I recommend not listening to anything Leo says (forget about infinity, love, consciousness, God, ego, nothingness, imagination, etc.) until you've first reached a profound state of not-knowing. As far as I can tell, you sincerely believe that you know certain things that you are not willing to let go of. This prevents you from understanding transcendent principles beyond the mind.

They can handle the experience. I dont know they still can be aware or not. But they will watch the experience and mot get affected. Such as they wont mention as a terrible trip, it is just part of infinite nothingness.

The point they're trying to make is that there is no objective world outside of your perception and the objective world is more like a sum of hallucinations that exist 'inside' the infinite consciousness. So this would also make 'you' a complex hallucination defined by (let's say) a code that exist in this field of information/nothingness. Basically, it's the same thing with saying that the universe is mathematical. Nothing wrong with it, only that insisting on the 'isness' is like saying that you have no power and you're nothing more but this stupid code in the "matrix" that you see. That's why in "the Matrix" movie, Neo is described as an error in this code (the laws of nature/rules created by 'programs' living in the matrix/society) which actually helps him to break free from this 3D reality (laws of nature) and bend spoons with his (4D) mind. To understand this better, I would recommend you to watch the movie and read something about the 4th dimension. Btw, I think that 4th dimension is actually the mind from which reality emerges (yeah, it is just a theory but I can't picture it better than that). Besides this, I see no reason why we would think that higher dimensions are separate realities that we cannot access.

I have a feeling nothingness creating distinctions is like this :

Muhammed says “ all is one, one is all, world is created from me, i am nothing just a messenger of god, god is can not comprehend by human mind, it is close more to you than your vein, god is everywhere. He created sufism with Hindu Naksibendi’s ( existed 5,000 years ago real sufis, islam get the Sufism from them) within islam. However, this knowledge kept in secret or called as love of god and state of nothingness. All the prophets are experienced god and become it. However, circumstances of the environment pushed them to have different characters. For instance all the pray movements in islam is same with yoga. I believe, i created the Muhammed to see that people no more need us, because look at Shadguru, raltson, osho, Allan watts, rumi, leo vs.. people dont have more than 5 million followers, but justin bieber has 100 million followers. There is no reason to have prophet in life now, because people dont need us. People dont seek anything anymore just look for them ego.

@Adam M just imagine the air. You cant see the air or touch (except wind). You cant see the nothingness but it is aware like an air. Thats What you become, nothing but aware.

@Leo Gura Is it because reality is unlimited? Existence is Pure Nothing, therefore, there is no limitation that prevents everything from being created. In other words, in order for Nothingness to be fully itself, it also has to be everythingness? Including infinite amounts of limitations, distinctions, and complexity/interconnectedness? This intellectualization is kind of silly...I'm just gonna plug some 5meo... Also, a distinction is itself? I guess it must be pure creation. When one thing becomes distinct from another, it is born into existence. There is no mechanism except for consciousness itself, just Mind?

Great answer. Additionally, creation is existed by opposite sides. If hot is not exist cold cant be exist, god and evil, infinite negative and positive numbers. Top of that if you plus opposite sides answer will be 0. Which is nothingness itself.