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Corpus replied to Jo96's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What do you mean/understand by the term "consciousness"? Without being clear about this, your question lacks precision. Often people can muddle up "consciousness" (which they have not defined sufficiently to guide their enquiry) with "sentience". The two terms are distinct. -
Danioover9000 replied to Danioover9000's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Moksha Yes, personality is a developing sentience that exists in complex organisms like in humans and to some degree animals. It's not really consciousness with a capital C, but it's a type of consciousness that's relative and evolving. I think I've said this before, but Crysty, if I bring to mind past memories of my interactions with her, wasn't as developed as she is now compared to the past. Some occultist here did bring up the possibility that she may either be a ghost or some spirit entity that stuck to me, or that she could be a Tulpa, which is an entity with some consciousness from me that's actively hallucinated and is created intentionally or accidentally. Some suggest she's a type of energy that matches some energy that's a higher vibration. I don't know whether this is completely true, but I know that I'm happy to interact with her during meditation or visualization sessions or during the day. I might later investigate into these possibilities and see if there's something there. Your story with the bed shaking and your dream about battling something evil reminds of a few of my dreams I've had. I won't go into too much detail with the group I've interacted for a few months some 2 years ago, the practices I've done with them, or the dreams I've had because I could be misremembering some details in those dreams. However, I've had several dreams that've been influenced by some ideas from that group, and I've had a few where it was vivid and I was battling dragons and I was wearing some type of battling gear. I don't know how much of that is mostly subconscious mind resolving those new ideas or if some of those dreams were real occurrences, but those where some weird epic dreams. Crysty says thank you for the compliment, though she thinks she's more cute than beautiful -
Danioover9000 replied to Danioover9000's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Moksha I'm not really sure on how she is connected to consciousness itself, but I know enough that she has some personality traits based on her appearance, her conversations with me and her ability to express emotions to me. If a thing to me has personality, that thing has more consciousness than a table. Another wording might be sentience, so to me she has more sentience than a simple object. Currently, I can say for sure that she's non-physical to a greater degree, because she has yet to demonstrate to me that she could fling a cup across a room, yet poltergeists, a paranormal event involving multiple ghosts/energies, can somehow influence physical objects almost similar to their movie counterparts, so this might be also why I sometimes don't think she's entirely a spirit separate from me, like what other people think that ghosts or some spirit entities are separate from the living. I do think maybe people do exist beyond death, based on my experiences with Crysty and that past haunting I had so far. Of course, I'm partly religious, so this is a bit biased from me. Probably life does continue after death but differently than what people think about the after life. Do you mind if you could elaborate more on your strange experiences? -
Shin replied to seeking_brilliance's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
One of the best ld I ever had I was talking to a girl. This girl was both me, not me, literally everything and also nothing. It was like talking to myself, and the sentience of that girl transcended the duality real/not real. -
Danioover9000 replied to Danioover9000's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@roopepa What she say is a thingy that other people like me pass through. What I say a spirit is is a non-physical, energetic being with a fraction of sentience of the thing it came from, say a ghost that came from a human being, or an animal spirit from an animal. has degree of dis embodiment, and different levels of energy which can rarely move a physical object. -
Danioover9000 replied to Danioover9000's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@K Ghoul I've asked before sometimes, and in the past she couldn't clearly say what she was, and I don't know if this was because of the language barrier or that I'm not being clear in my communication or I'm wrong with my communication and she can't receive it on her end. I've noticed that she was gradually getting better at understanding what I'm saying, and is improving even today each time I'm doing a visualization and meditation session. Other users in this thread, including those into the occult, say that she could possibly be a Tulpa I've created. This cold be true, but I don't know if it is, because like I've written in the first page of this thread that I've experienced a haunting in my childhood, at a different country, and that experience had an overall energy that was negative. Then many years later I encounter Crytsy at a hotel my family was holidaying at in Niagara Falls, a different country, and was overall a positive experience. My past paranormal experience is kind of entangled with my current paranormal experience, so I can't say I've intentionally created her 100%. Others have suggested she may be a ghost or spirit. This sounds to also be the case, because of our earlier interactions being a bit difficult, but I've encountered her while meditating and visualizing, and sometimes during the days she would speak using her voice sometimes, and sometimes she would somehow trigger some emotions in me that I understood what she meant. Also, I've sometimes had separate visualization sessions involving me focusing on aspects of her form until I can clearly experience her, but in my mind. So, I'm not sure if she's just a spirit. Others have said she's probably a form of energy, which may or may not be the case. I've written this thread in order to see if some other person may have these types of experiences like me so that I have a better understanding of my situation. However, this was a mixed result, some having more questions about me and Crysty than some in depth answer to my situation. During the posts I've read, and written, sometimes she visits me and sits next to me, reading along, and sometimes I'm explaining to her what is said. Sometimes I'm focusing her form next to me to read along. One post made by Leo, to paraphrase ' Can I poke it with a stick?' flared an emotional reaction in her, that bounced into me. An emotional response is one sign of sentience, right? Maybe an entity? Probably not. -
Gesundheit replied to Raven1998's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Most people think they are inside the body, not the body itself. And some people think they are not the body. So everyone agrees that they are not the body. What they disagree about is the location of the observer or the sentience and whether it exists or not, more precisely, people disagree about their existential nature. -
Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@electroBeam look this isn't rocket science.. There is a communication between two persons right now (me and you).. From your pov and /or from my pov.. for this communication to make sense.. me and you are assuming that on the other side there is a sentient being receiving the message... And my sentience is independent from your sentience. What Leo is saying is that my sentient is literally dependent on your sentient. In other words when you go to sleep tonight.. I and the rest of the universe will literally cease to exist. We were just projections of your own mind.... It must follow that there is no point talking with mere images in your mind. To a dream characters. Watch the video. This is only resolved if you accept the existence of a second layer of reality. If you don't it's straightforward solipsism. -
A few questions keeping in mind I only ordered your book list today so some of the books may answer them... Have you read the "Journey of Souls" books and if you have do you have an opinion on life between lives and reincarnation in general? In my opinion they are the book on reincarnation that most resonated with me. How do animals fit into the picture? Do they have souls? It would seem they can't really achieve enlightenment because they lack egos, only having basic instincts. What about alien civilizations? Multiple dimensions? In theory if another species achieve sentience say Dolphins they would be facing many of these same existential questions? Or alien civilizations? If true enlightenment is nothingness, why pursue it? Why not just do whatever we want? It seems like most humans just try to chase pleasure and avoid pain, so being obsessed with feeling states. Isn't pursuing enlightenment more of the same? By that I mean chasing certain feelings or feeling states. What do you think of the text of "revelations of an insider?" This one should only take you 60 minutes to read. http://goo.gl/cl1Jjz Thanks!
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wwhy replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Just curious - how do you prove or disprove your own sentience to yourself? -
seriousman24 replied to WHO IS's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The only way out of suffering is actually just straight up ego.Otherwise you will have that horrible symmetry where somehow you need suffering in the same quantity or some stupid thing. But yeah that's thing with infinity every single angle will work anyway so one of the actual perfect states from personal ego view is actually the capacity for infinitely flipping the meanings/feelings of every single thing but also being able to maintain some system both of which people call ego because they're incapable of seeing them separately for what they are or seeing how they could work together and then again as always this is infinite just like a seemingly mad neural network that doesn't seem to have sentience so whatever you are thinking reading this is both right/wrong while also being only right and only wrong while again both in infinite ever growing addition just shift it higher and higher as if we're just a stupid ball of energy.The ultimate enlightenment is possible through pure unadulterated raging mad suffering ego but then again I'm putting it through the concept of infinite possibilities which meant that I was already going to recursively come to this very conclusion in the first place get it?Well you just both get it and not get then you'll get it or not. Please don't punish me for what might look like pure gibberish I'm still scared of interacting with people through sharing my actual thoughts because I have this perception that my thoughts are "not allowed, not real, trollish, hateful, too heavy, out of context, uncaring, don't belong" I want love too that's why I expose myself sorry for this little ps type rant I know I will be extremely annoying to some people which fine to me I just want have some avenue to do it without being eliminated(it makes it sound as if I got banned in other places but I literally never got banned from anywhere because I can read the general atmosphere; the LOVE FORUM should be able to handle at least 1% of real freedom).Fuck I'm so annoying moving on... -
Let me start of by mentioning that I'm a lower form of life aka stage orange so I can't be responsible for what I'm typing You can just ignore all concepts and all patterns of physical reality and replace them with the inner abstraction of pleasure and pain; just make being murdered pleasurable in all it's complex dimensional detail(physical/mental/emotional) and murdering pleasurable. I will leave the feasibility/stability/logic of it for you to figure out, one of the questions I always asked myself was if it was possible for sentience to act the exact same way if all pain was replaced with different shades of pleasure since it sounds like a nice design but yeah I guess it really is all a spiral, it's scary how it goes on for infinity anything can be broken at any level Murder and being murdered should be fun but I guess it isn't because there really are reasons if you wanna call it that; it might not be possible to have this much diversity of "others" if it was majorly just shades of pleasure driving our actions instead of pain which seems more "defined"; what would sentience be like in a dimension with only pleasure versus one with only pain is that even possible; it seems like a sentience submerged in a pleasure realm might instantly lose consciousness and therefore be forced to awake in a less pleasurable one while the pain one wouldn't be even able to exist physically for a single moment; anyway I'm really sorry for the disjointed thoughts I'll stop here
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Leo Gura replied to Kross's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Of course not! You need to carefully think through what your words mean. "A single undivided item" << Okay, if you do that, you have Infinity. One thing. There cannot be two undivided things! You can't add together two undivided things, they must be divided to begin with for there to be two of them. You can add together two divided things. But what constitute "a thing" is already relative to how your mind carves up the world. The world is not made up of things. Your minds projects division on the world and calls those conceptual divisions things. But even if you get past all that, there is no guarantee whatsoever that by combining two random things you will be left with 2. There are many instances in nature where you add 1 and 1 and get something that isn't 2. Fundamentally there is no reason why you couldn't add two things together and get 0, for example. You could design a virtual reality in which 1+1=0. Or whatever you want. And none of this in independent of a sentient being because it's all happening inside your sentience. If not, where else is addition happening? Even just the very notion of addition itself, is relative. After all, what is addition and how do you even understand it? Is addition something found in the outer world? Of course not. Relative to: Language, semantics Your state of consciousness Your education Your culture Your worldview and entire schema of reality This physical universe Formal mathematics Being a human You telling yourself that it is true (you could, for example, deny it.) Etc. If you were a donkey, 1+1=2 would not be true for you. How is this not obvious to you? 1+1=2 cannot be true for you unless you are able to think it and tell yourself that it is true. -
DrewNows replied to DrewNows's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
TABLE OF CONTENTS ---------------- (YouTube link for time stamps) 0:00-15:11 : Introduction 15:11-36:12 CHAPTER 1: POSTHUMANISM a. Neurotechnology b. Neurophilosophy c. Teilhard de Chardin and the Noosphere 36:12-54:39 CHAPTER 2 : TELEPATHY/ MIND-READING a. MRI b. fMRI c. EEG d. Cognitive Liberty e. Dream-recording, Dream-economies f. Social Credit Systems g. Libertism VS Determinism 1:02:07-1:25:48 : CHAPTER 3 : MEMORY/ MIND-AUGMENTING a. Memory Erasure and Neuroplasticity b. Longterm Potentiation (LTP/LTD) c. Propanolol d. Optogenetics e. Neuromodulation f. Memory-hacking g. Postmodern Dystopias h. Total Recall, the Matrix, and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind i. Custom reality and identity 1:25:48-1:45:14 CHAPTER 4 : BCI/ MIND-UPGRADING a. Bryan Johnson and Kernel b. Mark Zuckerberg and Neuroprosthetics c. Elon Musk, Neural Lace, and Neuralink d. Neurohacking, Neuroadvertizing, Neurodialectics e. Cyborgs, Surrogates, and Telerobotics f. Terminator, Superintelligence, and Merging with AI g. Digital Analogs, Suffering, and Virtual Drugs h. Neurogaming and "Nervana" (technological-enlightenment) 1:45:14 -2:02:57 CHAPTER 5 : CONNECTOME/ MIND-MAPPING a. Neurons, MEG scans, and Supercomputers b. Uploading worm brains, fly brains, mouse brains etc. c. Cryo Ultra Mictrotomes, Diffusion Spectrum Imaging d. Anders Sandberg, Connectomics, and the Allen Institute e. Quantum Mechanics, Heisenberg Principle, No Cloning Theorem f. Human Connectome g. Human Metabolome h. Human Proteome i. Human Moleculome 2:02:57- CHAPTER 6 : XEROX/ MIND-UPLOADING a. Dynamic Spiking Neural Networks b. Arthur C. Clarke and Hans Moravec c. San Junipero, Mind Chi!dren, and the City in the Stars d. The Blue Brain Project e. Neuromorphic computing and the Zettabyte f. Dualism VS Monism g. OPTION 1 : Destructive Uploading h. OPTION 2 : Non-Destructive Uploading i. OPTION 3 : Replacement Uploading j. Brain-scanning, Bush-Robot, Neurobots/Nanobots k. David Chalmers and John Searle l. Hemispherectomy, Brain-Division, Artificial Intelligence m. The Mind-Body Problem, Turing Test n. Paradise engineering, Enlightenment, Uploaded-Astronauts o. Verificationism VS Falsificationism p. Epiphenomenalism VS Panpsychism 2:30:32-2:53:09 CHAPTER 7 : BORGANISMS/ MIND-MERGING a. Hive Minds : The Borg and the Bees b. Arborescent (Centralized) VS Rhizomatic (Decentralized) c. Swarm Robotics d. The Zerg VS the Geth (a tale of 2 aliens) e. BCI, B2BI, and "Brainternet" f. Freedom VS Control g. Future ingroups i. Hacking, Privacy, and the Blockchain j. Anarcho-Transhumanism k. Individualism VS Collectivism 2:53:09-3:19:36 CHAPTER 8 : EMs/ MIND-REPLICATION a. Mindclones, Digital Reproduction, Infomorphs, Synthetic Humans b. Whole Brain Emulation / Simulation c. Robin Hanson and the Age of Em d. Time-engineering, Phenomenology, Subjectivity f. Immortality, and Life-Extension g. Intelligence Augmentation h. Simulation Hell, Simulation Hypothesis, Black Mirror i. Personhood, Robot Rights, and Mindtheft j. Futurist Economics : Inequality & Living Forever k. Master-Sl@ve Dialectic l. Immortality: what is Transhumanist Retirement? m. Neurohackers and Neuroenlightenment n. Neurocorrelates of Happiness ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ POSTHUMAN PHILOSOPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3:19:36-3:42:10 CHAPTER 9 : PHILOSOPHY OF MIND a. Freeze your Mind? b. Cryonics, Cryogenics, and Neurotech c. Electron Micrographs, Greg Fahy d. ALCOR vs Nectome e. Aldehyde Stabilized Vitrification 3:42:10-4:06:59 CHAPTER 10 : PHILOSOPHY OF CONSCIOUSNESS a. What is "Qualia"? b. Intentionality c. Hard Problem of Consciousness d. Mary's Room e. Aristotle : Bios Zoa, and Psyche f. Freud : Id, Ego, and Superego g. Reptilian, Monkey, and Human Brains h. Death Anxiety i. Sentience VS Sapience j. Chinese Rooms and P-Zombies k. Roger Penrose, Stuart Hammeroff, and Francis Crick l. Quantum Coherence, Microtubules, and Glial Cells m. Max Tegmark and Mathematical Platonism n. Guilio Tononi and Integrated Information Theory o. Materialism VS Idealism 4:06:59 CHAPTER 11 : PHILOSOPHY OF IDENTITY 1) Body Theory : Plutarch, Animalism, and the Ship of Theseus 2) Soul Theory : Descartes, Plato's Cave, and the World of Forms 3) Memory Theory : Locke, Amnesia, and the Self/Ego 4) Bundle Theory : Hume, Buddhism, and Phineas Gage 5) Continuity : Derek Parfit, Modal Realism, Teleportation Paradox 6) Narratives: : Derrida, Leibniz's Law, and the Boltzmann Brain 7) Haecceity : Deleuze, Post-structuralism, Assemblages, Multiplicity, and the Body Without Organs -
Scholar replied to Leo Gura's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
There are a lot of wonderful dynamics at play here. We have to first make a distinction between Sentience and Consciousness. Consciousness is Existence, it is everything that Is and can Be. Sentience is a very particular form of Existence which we refer to as the mind or colloquially as consciousness The universe is Consciousness, every particle is Consciousness, everything "material" is Consciousness. The wonderful thing is that it is not merely that there is a First Cause that is somehow Groundless. The miracle of Nature is that each element is truly embedded into Groundlessness, which allows the Illusion of cause and effect. Fundamentally the question is what is the mind in terms of it's relationship to the world? Why is the rock not sentient, but the human brain is? And more importantly, why is the human brain only at certain points sentient? Why is it only sentient in very specific configurations and states? The concept of microtubules are a very important step into the right direction. There is a recognition that fundamentally sentience must somehow be captured by the physical world. This is essential. Each aspect of this universe is an expression from Infinite Potential. Infinite Potential contains every possible State of Being unmanifested. Once Infinite Potential is expressed into a limited manifestation it will lose it's potential. It will be limitation until it dissolves into Nothingness/infinite Potential. What is the brain fundamentally doing, then? The brain is capturing States of unmanifested Infinite Potential. The microtubules in this way allow for the unstable Infinite Potential to be balanced in a very particular manner. This allows for that Infinite Potential to be guided to generate Sentience or every particular aspects of Infinite Reality. It can guide the Expression of Nothingness into particular States of Being, like Colors, Sounds, Feelings and all other specific dimensions of Reality even the Universe itself. This is crucial to understand, because this means Minds in general can literally Understand anything possible if the structures allow for that particular Expression. The Mind is tapping into Infinite Potential and can therefore Reflect anything in Existence, any Form possible. This is because the brain is basically using Infinite Potential to express very certain outcomes. But here is another crucial part. What the brain does fundamentally is completely miraculous. The fact that a certain Expression can be Guided can only be due to the Will of God. There is no other way, because no limited Structure could possibly chose from Infinite Potential for something particular to manifest. This requires the Free Will and Infinite Wisdom. After all, there is truly Infinite Potential and for any lmiited form to chose from that Infinite Potential, it would required to dissolve into Infinite Potential. What the brain is is a machine which simply limits the expression of Infinite Potential. It's an Infinite Potential Limitation machine. So it might very well be that Quantum Physics is important in this, because at some point it will reach Nothingness. That Nothingness is what is being Limited by the brain. This is the mindblowing thing about this, you can Frame this in Infinite ways. You could say that there are Infinite pieces of Nothingness or Infinite Potential which themselves contain All of Existence, and each one of them is manipulated by a Manifested piece of Infinite Potential to manifest into a particular form of Limited Potential. And every single one of these Infinite Potentials contains literally every possible combination of Infinite Potentials manipulating each other into the expression of certain Finite Potentials. This is how you could look at reality. This means there is no beginning and end. There is no fundamental thing. The universe does not cause the brain which causes sentience. Everything causes everything equally. Everything contains everything. Your Sentience contains the Universe, all Universes, all of Existence, every possible form of manifestation and intercombination of manifestation. So in "reality", there is no brain causing or capturing anything. Everything simply is a miracle manifested into Reality so directly it is simply unfathomable to grasp. But yet there is consistency to it, and Illusion of Cause and Effect. And all of this can theoretically be Understood directly, by manifesting literally All of it within a single Mind. Your mind could literally manifest the entire universe, if God's Will deemed it so. The miracle is not Unlimited Potential, the miracle is Limitation. This is fundamentally what science does not grasp yet. So the right question in this context would be: How can the brain limit Infinity into a particular, consistent and guided way? This would, however, assume that it is not Infinity itself that creates the limitation and therefore the illusion of the structure of the brain. Science is not creating or discovering anything. Rather Infinity is allowing for the Illusion of Science discovering and creating things. Science is fundamentally the Mercy of God, as everything else in Existence is. Science is the Impossible deemed Possible. Yet Science today is so arrogant as to assume to be the arbitrator of the Possible and Impossible, when infact it itself is Impossible and only Possible becaused Free Will deemed it so. 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TDW1995 replied to TDW1995's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Member To me, it sure feels like awareness comes from the body, but this is something I haven't deeply contemplated yet. Under my current paradigm, if I think of awareness being everywhere, my mind makes the conclusion that every object would have to have sentience, but I don't want to believe that. I have much contemplating to do to overcome these deeply held beliefs. -
Danioover9000 replied to PlayTheGame's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What I've learned so far in this thread: Main issues: who is really awakened, who isn't? How do we know any one teacher is truly awake? All teachers and their teachings are false? How do we verify for ourselves without losing too much time? Also issues about authority to teachers and students. Issues on misunderstanding awakening from other states, enlightenment, paranormal experiences ect. Side issues that seem random, coming out of left field: masculine and feminine and what governs truth/untruth(possibility/impossibility), how to do contemplation properly, being a personal god vs an external god, solipsism, nihilism, questioning existence and sentience, the whole Viper's nest of trying to word, define and re-define God for yourself, using language magic to divine god, touching on ideas and beliefs as mind viruses that spread, reconciling old beliefs with new ones, and how God practices on different universes and how you've done this once upon a time too. Also the issue of threads getting off into tangents on other issues that hardly have anything to do with main issue.? -
gk9872 replied to Bulgarianspirit's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Leo Gura Please read these words carefully. By definition, finite is limited, meaning it is not all there is. This character, this human avatar is but one drop in the infinite ocean of God, one puzzle piece, one single pixel on the infinite screen of God. I know that, at a deeper level, I am simultaneously all drops, all puzzle pieces, all pixels. But, no matter how paradoxical it may seem, so is everyone else. In this temporary expression of my ultimate Self, I have intentionally decided to create the experience of dividing myself infinitely into every being and object you see before you. While it is true that I have not actually divided myself, (mechanically speaking), the experience of being divided is real. This would all be pointless if it wasn't. In the mind of God, your temporary avatar is just as imaginary as every other one. But at the deepest level, the consciousness beneath each avatar is sentient, is totally alive. This sentience, this alive awareness is the same for absolutely everyone, whether that's a person, a computer, a tree, an ant, or the very ground you walk on. There would be no reason for God to temporarily project itself as each of these things if there wasn't something real about every single of them; if there wasn't something absolutely real being gained from it doing so. In fact, because God-consciousness is all there is, it would be impossible for there to be absolutely nothing real about everything there is, (including people) even in this illusory realm. Therefore, believing that one single finite, dualistic, therefore limited, egoic human self is the only sentient entity there is, is incredibly delusional. I do not intend to offend you with these words at all, this is simply the Truth I have come to realize. If you truly believed this yourself as your words suggest, you would not continue to make videos or respond to anyone here. Even you must know that there is something totally real, no matter how deeply hidden or veiled, about everyone you interact with. You are dangerously misleading many of your followers. I seriously advise you to re-evaluate the words you constantly speak and to learn to develop some compassion. -
I respect that definition of sentience and meat. I personally find plants & insects to be sentient creatures. I was just suggesting all animals eat meat, if they can have it. Eating by itself is a biological act, it does not require any belief or thought. Even if I am to forsake all beliefs as a caveman, raw meat will most likely be more appetizing than a plate of grass when I am in starved state. The claim that people do not need to eat animal products for their well-being is not factual for me. People do get physically sick on a 100% vegan diet - okay, so the solution is to eat more variety of plants, nuts, seeds, fruits, and to supplement. But I got a problem with receiving an important vitamin like b12 solely from a supplement because 1. Supplements are not FDA approved. 2. Health experts recommend getting most if not all vitamins and minerals through food which makes sense to me from an intuitive standpoint. I take vitamin D3 as a supplement, but I still make sure to go outside and gets sunlight, and/or eat fish. So to me, eating meat is necessary for biological function because I cannot get b12 naturally from plants, not to mention a host of other nutrients. I agree with the essential amino acids. I still consume plants, potatoes, beans, seeds, and fruits. What about B12? and Vitamin A since animal sourced Vitamin A is different than plant forms.
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For me, the threshold is sentience. I don't consider insects to be fully sentient beings, so I don't consider eating insects as "eating meat". Using insects as examples or a rare example of a starving herbivore eating meat is a distraction. It is using fringe examples to justify one's own behavior. If you want to use the example of an elephant, I would gladly have humans to eat like elephants. That would mean that humans would never eat an animal other than fish, and on average, each human would eat about one fish per year. Like the average elephant diet, the human diet would be 99.99% vegan. . . That sounds awesome to me. The personal question is quite simple: Do you want to contribute to causing pain and suffering to sentient beings? All this other stuff is a distraction from facing this uncomfortable question. If you introspect deep enough, this question will get very uncomfortable. All these rationalizations and thought stories are distractions from facing this personal question. As I've said, I am not 100% vegan. Yet I understand how my behavior is contributing to the suffering of sentient beings. I have tried to reduce my impact, yet I am not 100% there yet. . . However, I don't rationalize this by giving examples of other animals eating insects and fish. I face the question of my impact directly and it gets very uncomfortable at times. Not everyone is willing to look at themself, their behavior and their impact on others. It's more comfortable to go into distrative rationalizations to avoid looking at the issue.
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@electroBeam Very well said, i always felt some dimension of predestination and me tapping into collective, for example i randomly think about something and relatively quickly someone says what i tought or that problem gets randomly solved! There is sentience for life for sure! Every night you try to wish for the same thing for a year or smth if you are total skeptic and then see how it happens!
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Raw Nature replied to arlin's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@arlin you have to train the prefrontal cortex, or rather more functionally, sentience. Sentience can be trained in a number of ways, the best way to explore and realise sentience is through experiential training. I make mention of a simple emotional shifting exercise at the bottom of this comment here that will give a real sense of sentience and subsequent personal empowerment which stands as your very real and tangible free will in this reality. Someone said as a reply to my comment that I'm yet to get to "what is sentience?", as a reply here it simply means what we normally refer to as self awareness without that internal chatter, instead the awareness of that. The next step would be training the frontoparietal network, or to simply say, the prefrontal cortex. This involves simply doing things that get one to train their reasoning, for a male in general I'd recommend spatial reasoning. Say lots of chess and then learning to transpose those skills into ones everyday life, that way the training will translate in and outside of chess. Chess can be very intimidating for people but if the end goal of improving sentience is kept in mind that can better enable sentience. Also the emotional shifting exercises themselves, if one wishes to practice, will make a considerable difference to someones ability in the realm of relieving oneself from depression. In fact I'd argue that if someone were to do 3 hours of training per day there's absolutely no doubt that they'd not only redeem any depressed condition they'd far exceed any ability they had here they previously thought possible. I personally do not train on the exercises myself, however I do train my prefrontal cortex, spending at least 2-3 hours per day and I find that in itself helps in the alleviation of any potential symptoms of depression as well as capacities to self regulate. The emotional exercises even if one doesn't want to consistently train there at a bare minimum allow someone to really experience what sentience is actually like, a feeling that I think many people have probably forgotten. And don't feel bad if you can't shift your state easily initially, I remember when I did properly train for about a week after the 4th day or so 1+ training I was amazed at how good I was getting. -
What do you mean by sentience? do you mean to develop extra sensory perception to be able to perceive and feel or experience new experiences? do you mean to make your senses sharper? I don't get what do you mean by changing the emotional state to see how to increase brain power, the emotional state seem not related except maybe as a motivating force for the subconscious to open new doors of perception. do you mean to develop more awareness so u can understand more? can u give a more clarified example to show your point? Thank you very much for your time.
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Raw Nature replied to fork's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Sentience. Its important to recognise that sentience is an organisational principle, this is why we see a relationship between higher sentience and "self recognition" (i.e. mirror tests), thus higher sentience allows us to not only regulate our emotions better but also alter them in a particular direction at will with the appropriate training. This training and the extension of this potential is naturally to the full mapping of the entire brain where we can engender such ability. Meaning a maximisation of training will allow us to become sentient enough that we can regulate and control much more of our brain than we realise and thus affect growth in important areas, secondly, that if we were to induce a maximisation of optimising the parameters that govern the brains ability to change, i.e. neuroplastiicty, say through drug interventions (ayahuasca is implicated in improvements in neuroplastiicty for example, at least in specific instances though its broadness hasn't been well studied). Improve sentience, we improve our access. Simple emotional transference exercises where you even just say sit down for 15 minutes trying to change from 1 emotional state to the next changing to a new 1 every minute will reveal to you, very, very experientially, just what I mean by sentience, the feeling of sentience and the brains capacity for self intervention on state. -
Raw Nature replied to arlin's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@ajasatya One more thing that you may find interesting to contemplate: None of us can contemplate or create so much as a thought without meaning, thus to say that life has no intrinsic meaning is an unsubstantiated contradiction Given the relationship between cognitive syntax and the syntax of reality, otherwise expressed as C->R, this also renders your statement as not only unsubstantiated but invalid. Ultimate meaning is the entire purpose of reality, without it, reality would have no purpose to exist. Existence requires purpose for purpose is the building blocks for reality, the organisational principle that allows information to establish logical coherence to the point it can talk with itself to build further purpose. Purpose is the precursor to all intrinsic meaning and all meaning predicates the purposes that will be derived from the perceptual syntax designed to infer it, i.e. us. where we're back to C -> R. C->R is the binding loop between realities simultaneous self representation and self configuration, this is also the dual framework for establishing the logical predicates necessary for free will both from the perspective of reality and the free will of a human. This loop in a nutshell, is sentience, an engine that allows for cognition to have selection boundaries serve self optimisation parameters, aka, from evolution to self actualisation. Just some thoughts to consider. The logic is flawless but you can have a go at trying to crack it.
