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jse replied to Widdle Puppy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
There is nothing pedantic about nonduality - don't confuse the messenger for the message. This is what muddying the waters with the intellectual mind's obfuscation looks like: -
That's a good point. In the moment it's all shits and giggles but I guarantee you that the vast majority of those people are unable to sit quietly in a room by themselves and be content. That shit haunts you eventually, you know. You'll grow old and solitude will catch up to you... it's a matter of when you face it, not if. I think going out and partying once in a while isn't bad per se, but when it's culturally encouraged that's when I start to feel pity. Have you seen Leo's video titled "30 ways society fucks you up the ass?" He talks about how a lot of our daily life is "an amusement park for the ego." Realizing nonduality is so bloody hard to begin with, the way people party like there's nothing better to do is just insult to injury. I've tried talking to my friends about this stuff you know, all they do is go out all the time and it seems they will continue to do that haha more power to them I suppose?
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Nahm replied to Time Traveler's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
“Wave function” points at reality (You) from within a scientific vernacular and paradigm , particles are dream stuff (you). The only way ‘around’ nonduality is self deception (pretending there is something other than You). Doesn’t matter if it’s a “lofty” topic like QM, or something as simple as a drop of rain. The observer, the observed, measurement, ‘collapse’, etc, all dream stuff. When seen in it’s entirety, the illusion is just light. The benefit of seeing you exist as pure potentiality........whatever you want to be. Freedom from the conditioning of believing in the appearance of consistent “reality”. Shocking freedom. The brain doesn’t like this because it’s purpose is to hide this very fact by assigning meaning. Put another way, the role of the brain is not to solve the observer “problem”, but to hide the Truth, that there is no problem. If there’s no meaning, there’s no problem, if there’s no problem there’s no story. No meaning assigned = total freedom. Everything you could want to do is the same when you let all meaning go. Because in truth it doesn’t matter in the most literal sense what you are doing right now. It traces back to the concept of identity, which is all falsity. If I want to be nice, there’s meaning. If I want to be smart, there’s meaning. But there is no such thing as identity, because there is no such thing as something else to identify you. You can think you know more about what you are, and you’ll know less about what you’re doing in this life. You can focus more on what you want to be doing with this life, but because in that you’ll be changing (in a mental appearance / idea of self sense), you’ll paradoxically know less about yourself while discovering more about yourself. Until there is only self. The pure potentiality of you. The wisest person I’ve met once said, “It’s nonsense”. -
Nahm replied to Leo-Tzu's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Leo-Tzu The implication is nonduality, but I don’t think he or Joe see this. -
@Igor82 That’s really broad but an example might be having a good understanding of psychology, neurology, biology, quantum mechanics, thermodynamics, nonduality, Christianity, Islam....so there’s a moment on a trip where you realize how it is an illusion, and how people (ego wise) are creating their own versions, how science was only ever people describing things. Then it sticks because it is suddenly the only obvious possibility. And kinda BAM, you remember what you are.
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LWAM, Season 1 episode 7 Hey peas! Sorry for the delay of the show, my writers were on a strike due to the whole losing to France thing. I've written some pretty deep stuff last month, but I feel like sharing it later on. Instead of describing my experience and the chaotic peacefulness that is currently overshadowing my reality, I'll give really bad advice for the 3 most frequent spiral dynamics stages while they are still hot topic in here. STAGE BLUE: Have 2 and 3/4 kids, 2 dogs roughly speaking, and a white picked fence. Get a tattoo of Trump on your heart. Never ever have a thought of your own. Blame Muslims for all your political problems. Demonize psychedelics while binge drinking. Talk badly about your country every day except on national days when you're a ultranationalist. Debate how all religions are wrong except yours. Devide humans in us vs them category. Never question authority figures. Look down upon all alternative lifestyles outside of the system. Kick your lgbt kids out of the house. View divorce as a sin. View anything outside of tradition as a threat. STAGE ORANGE Have about 15 Armani shirts that say happiness is in the small things. Celebrate your birthday at the gym and work out while eating the cake so it doesn't ruin your six pack. Pay more attention to your things than your children. Choose life. Choose a job. My bad, wrong movie. Demonize all religions, but be religiously atheistic. Quote Tony Robbins in every conversation. Categorize people in terms of their usefulness to your success. Never allow a moment of silence - bombard yourself with constant stimulation and noise. Favour superficial relationships over anything real. Form connections based upon image. Worry more about being presentable in society than personal happiness. STAGE GREEN: Justify everything with nonduality theory. Jerk off to your superiorty on the spiral dynamics. Eat 20 avocados a day and post each of them on Instagram. Change your name into something hindu. Don't wash your hair because it's egoic. Have a~ meat is murder~ sticker on your backpack. Completely deny that money exists and that you need it. Play the victim card when someone questions the beliefs of your group. Call people closeminded when they won't buy into your ideology. Be obnoxiously self-righteous about everything. Stage Danielle Use humor as a self defense mechanism. Choose nonduality over self esteem issues because you're too evolved for such basic tasks. Only listen to songs 20 people have heard. Enroll in a course called popular culture while being a hipster. Send people to dead-end streets when they ask for directions cause you're socially inept. Have a crush on a straight girl for the thousand time.Have Heat of the Moment as your ringtone for 4 years because you're that afraid of change. Lastly (not clickbait) life saving tips Stop reading vampire romance novels. Start a band in which everyone plays triangle and perform only Ode to Joy. Stay alive for the drums in When the levee breaks. Pet cats. Do balet moves in a night club. Make strong eye contact with strangers. Never finish a post without being cynical. End credits: Everyone's begging for an answer without regard to validity. The searching never ends and it goes on and on and for eternity. Directed by Green - yellow Croatian Doctor Phil.
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Neither of you "have clothes" in this specific debate Leo is making an assumption that just because something is his concept of an "illusion" or "illusory" it is not "real." Whether something is "real" or not is based on the defined concept of "real." In the situation. Just because something is an illusion also does not mean its "not real." What is real is a point of view including the existence of Leo. Also Leo could be said to be God or God to be leo or leo can only be god when there is no leo communicating from one perspective or leo is always god from another by mere fact of existing with no seperation "of which we know", but ultimately this "real" or "not real" neither of these are ever correct inherently hence nonduality. Every single thought and perception can be real if it fits your definition, Your ego can totally be real if it fits your definition of real, etc. Nothing is inherently "real' or "not real" because it is a concept itself. No label can be utilized ultimately, neither this nor that. YOU CHOOSE what is "REAL." That very well may be "an Illusion" to Not Leo or No one but its Real to you unquestionably. Once "real" is involved, becuase it is a concept means that it is up to interpretation, so to say "this is not real" OR "an illusion is not real" or "because somthing is "an illusion" - a concept i am defining it is not real" is definitely not absolute, along with "this is real."
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So obviously spiral dynamics isn’t a map that truly deals with nonduality or enlightenment. I think it’s clear that there’s correlation but going back hundreds of years ago, it’s pretty safe to say Stage Orange didn’t even exist but there were still spiritual masters that may have been mostly blue or purple or even red (depending on the person, their shadow, era in history, and culture, and I’m sure many other factors). I’m curious though on possible examples of enlightened people at Stage Yellow. I have a hard time wrapping my head around this considering a. I’ve yet to have a real awakening experience, and b. It seems like too much conceptualism for an enlightened person to spend much time in... I say that lightly though. Given that there seems to be degrees on the nondual path I don’t want to make such bold claims like that. So I take that with a grain of salt. Thoughts on this? Possible examples?
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Nahm replied to SoonHei's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
When you realize what nonduality is, who would you ask a question to? All knowing = you are already that which you might otherwise consider knowing. It does not mean you’ll have all the knowledge. Just that you’re aware knowledge in total is illusory. There’s no past, future, present. There’s Now (You) , and not in the ‘time’ sense. It is indeed magic (an illusion). The deeper magic, once you know the Now is You, is that you don’t know what happens next. That is an inconceivable magic. -
for people asking about a younger teacher: Lisa Cairns (is 35 or something): tried psychedelics: yes (lsd), Recommends?: NO (said she damaged her brain and doing nonduality work would be easier if she hadnt) BUT there are many spiritual gurus who do recommend. Blazed wrote a list of people who dont agree. But you still need to consider the ones that do Teal Swan: tried psychedelics: ?? (i think so?) Recommends: YES, HIGHLY Ralph Smart (IDK hes seems more of a pep talk person rather than an actual "guru"): tried?: yes recommends?: YES if anyone knows any other who recommends, i'd add them here. I think the reason why all of the most famous gurus dont is because they know the huge influence they have and know a lot of people who watch them might have unstable minds (depression/psyhotic episodes) and psychedelics would damage further. Maybe theyre against it because psychedelics would pull the person away from their teachings (since alot of them are business men, no? maybe people who misuse them would blame them (the guru) and then the media would make the guru look really bad and theyre trying to avoid that or trying to avoid getting sued. we have to look at every angle here.
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Viking replied to Chives99's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
that's a very meaning-based view of the world, the opposite of nonduality. To me love is just an emotion inside awareness, it's not everpresent whatsoever. It's definitely a very powerful emotion, but it's not existence. -
Thank you for that. Laughed for 10 minutes. Thank you. You won’t get any further without humility. You don’t really know what enlightened means yet. Nor, obviously, nonduality.
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Nahm replied to SoonHei's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It is collapsed. It is illusion / appearance. This apples to the entire illusion. There’s no such actual thing as ‘travelling’. There is no such thing as ‘the speed of light’. Leave it in the appearance, don’t try to port it into nonduality. (I realize this appears to imply a duality, only direct experience will do here.) Your true nature is infinitely beyond anything you could reference. Yet, there is a “light”, and you could say it’s one of these: But this light is not the light referred to. It absolutely does not collapse. You are just about to the ‘edge’ of logic & reason though. Consider psychedelics and inward investigation to the same magnitude. Very excited for you. Also, consider a reveal in this that absolute is “””limiting”””” to itself in the appearance of reality. So light is collapsible because light (not the same “light”) the absolute, hence the law of one, nonduality, same for love, same for intelligence, (and I’m pretty damn sure humor) though these facets of absolute are not facets and are not what is referred to in the (collapsed) illusion with the use of these words. Maybe more clearly summed, absolute can’t be experienced, one can only experience it is what they are. Such is the light, the love, etc. -
Forestluv replied to How to be wise's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
To take it a step deeper: the idea that the room you were looking at is not true is also just a thought, with no more relevance than a bird chirp. Talking nonduality is really hard since language is dualistic. -
You are Nothingness, but it’s not nothing, nor is suffice to refer to it as no-thing, even calling it infinite, or nonduality, is not “it”.
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I have spoken about nonduality A LOT at this point. Go see the Enlightenment video category on the website.
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Leo Gura replied to Cameron's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I don't think so, I absolutely AM so. I said in my consciousness video that a rock is not conscious, but it is consciousness. Which is exactly what I am saying now. Go do some psychedelics cause you are clearly lost in your own mind beyond help. What I am saying isn't panpsychism, it is pure nonduality. You just lack the direct experience necessary to understand it. -
Leo Gura replied to rirdsaam's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Of course, that's nonduality 101. No ego = no control The whole point of meditation is to realize you are not in control of your thoughts. You (ego) ARE a thought! My video: Free Will vs Determinism, is all about this. God is in control of everything, so to speak. But then again, you are God! So it goes full-circle in a way that you will not be able to appreciate until after awakening. -
@Cudin I’m not saying you shouldn’t play with animals. But your internal state, you must not have feelings of sorrow for animals. It’s delusion. Because animals don’t exist! Nonduality 101.
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Please talk more about Art. Mostly just for fun. I would love to see you dive into defining contemporary art. I love the video you did titled "Jacques Derrida, Deconstruction, Post-Modernism & Nonduality" and how you talked about art. I also loved how at the end of your "Understanding Infinity" series you sorta smiled and said something like "This is just poetry or performance art" Would be interesting to see you more in your playful poet character to contrast against the more serious tones you take when talking to lower stages in the spiral. Check out the work of the artist Christian Rosa. On the surface it looks like its just scribbles, but is it?
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Materialism is not an enemy of consciousness. Turquoise transcends and INCLUDES Orange. Amazon means you can get nonduality books in 2 days, which is awesome! Leo cannot lose because Leo is Jeff Bezos and everything else.
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0000will0000 replied to Butters's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Butters Most "types" of spirituality are distraction. Everything outside of you is a distraction from looking within. Be skeptical of everything. There is no need to dive deep into anything other than yourself. All of the answers are within. All of them. Of course, there are many signposts, "hints from god" if you will. Actualized.org is a signpost. But the true answers are within. Ultimately, all teachings are distractions also, even those about nonduality. It is very easy to confuse the concept and understanding of nonduality with nonduality itself. Nonduality is an untouchable, momentary beingness. As for the video you posted: Reality is mathematical; but, when it comes to discovering the deepest truth, the only math one must know is that nothing equals infinity and infinity equals nothing. There is no inherent significance in 1111. Our minds have an affinity for meaning, so if you by chance see the number 1111 a few times, and assume that there must be some meaning behind it, your mind will subconsciously start looking for that number combination, and thus will end up finding it more often. When I was at university, I looked at my phone at 12:34 three times in a row within 36 hours. Then, the next time it was 12:34, I was tripping on mushrooms, and at one point, when I looked at my phone, it was 12:34. Being in a "more mystical state than usual," I assumed it meant something. After that night, I started seeing the time 12:34 all the time. I didn't know what it meant, but it must have meant something!.....right? Now that I've matured, and realized what was actually happening, I still sometimes see 12:34, but I don't attribute any meaning to it, because I know there is none. Lastly, remember, our minds are designed to recognize patterns. That's what reality is: a pattern. That's why we recognize it. If it was utter chaos, we wouldn't recognize anything. For that reason, we are more likely to notice patterns such as 1111 and 1234 more often than chaotic combinations such as 3547 or 9762. Cheers! -
So my housemate is really into spirituality, including all sorts of paranormal phenomena and conspiracy theories. Having raised my consciousness through personal development myself, I'm often quite skeptical about the stuff he's into and I can clearly see how he's stereotypically stage Green. But it got me thinking: to what extend should we buy into spiritual "teachings" that aren't about nonduality? For example, my housemate often says he sees the numbers 1111 in every day life and he sees these as mysterious signs. See this video As someone who's trying to follow Leo's teachings, I find this sorta stuff confusing and I'm not sure if skepticism is the right response here or not. Should you dive deep into everything, even if it could be a distraction?
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Viking replied to Arkandeus's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
If everything is new, can you orient yourself? know where to go, what to do.. arent you overwhelmed? I remember after an lsd trip I had to walk home and I didnt recognize the path so I had trouble going home. I also dont see how what you say is connected to enlightenment. maybe its the opening of the third eye, but not nonduality. -
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