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@QandC Super Metroid, that's what alien love is.

@QandCBecoming an alien in love.

I remember I tried asking for clarification on his use of the term "omniscience" in his alien mouse thread but he skipped over my question unfortunately

Very unique post....question....if Dream Leo tortured you....and turned into some demonic alien that strapped you to a table probed you anally for a million years while screaming at the top of his lungs that everything is love!!!.....Would you still thank him? ^I know this sounds silly but I am actually honest about this question. Why? Come on man you can't go thanking Leo for your Dream Leo....lol. Waking Leo has no clue what Dream Leo is up to!! LOL!! He should probably add to his disclaimers IF YOU SEE ME IN YOUR DREAMS, WAKING LEO HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT DREAM LEO ENGAGES IN. LOL!!

@newbee he knows way more than he is telling. He holds himself back to not sound crazy. Not like leo haha. You will probably not here sadhguru talk about the time he became or saw alien.

Sadghuru comes to mind. Upon contemplation, "the good life" is a somewhat nebulous term. Honestly, at this point, for me, the good life is probably just getting my base survival needs met, so like, financial freedom. And then maybe finding some passion to pursue. A lot of rich and traditionally "successful" people come to mind, however, I know that these guys probably have a lot of different problems gnawing at them in the background. I guess the most holistic bigger picture answers are people like Sadghuru or Leo Gura. But really, for me personally, anyone who is really rich financially and are pursuing their passions are people I would deem as being part of the "good life", but I am also aware that this perspective will probably change once I burn through my stage orange karma. Considering the pfp changes every minute, probably not, unless they are some alien shapeshifter

This right here ^. I have recently went through some personal hardships and my lack of fear of death is actually getting me through it. I have reached a state where I don't care either way and it makes panic....impossible. Panic only exists when you avoid either physical pain, emotional pain, or death. If you can accept all three (physical pain would be one of my weaknesses) but I can deal with emotional pain and death that would be the level I would suffer at. The path is all about facing these three and then you will be liberated. Its all an illusion at the end of the day, and its an illusion of your own making. You also both have free will/ and don't at the same time. The will of the universe is unconditional love, if you align yourself with that....then you won't suffer. At the level of resistance you have with unconditional love is the level of suffering. Give up rational thought, and focus on realizing that the present moment IS DEATH, the PRESENT MOMENT IS WHAT YOU ARE, THE PRESENT MOMENT is UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. Stop resisting, and feel into the present moment then you will realize, just maybe....THAT you are actually controlling everything around you. EVERY SINGLE THING. Everything is connected to you, you are even controlling me right now typing this comment. The ego is the filter that infinity is expressed, but the ego is just self imposed limits of the SELF. As you blink, breathe, grow your hair, grow your fingernails, the same mechanism that controls ALL THAT, is the same mechanism that is controlling the entire universe and all life forms, even that alien that Leo APPARENTLY became lol. Its all you, there is NO OTHER. So as long as you PLAY the victim role...that is the role you will suffer.

@Space I think the following: If it's fake, then great tech and editing skills for the video maker. If it's not fake, then the aliens are showing off, or the UFO is on another observation mission or something. But talk about unscientific aliens. These beings are supposed to be hyper intelligent, so why show yourself more when you could use alien telescopes or alien tech like the Predators do, cloaking technology or something to conceal yourselves? Just not so smart aliens to me.

It's pretty funny how in one way the far-right hates islam because it's an alien culture to the west. But in a way they still recognize that it's a deep stage blue value system and is something they themselves desire. I feel that they are a little bit jelous. Being deep stage blue in 2022 must be kinda lonley in the west. Even the mainstream church seems like a liberal feminst organisation at that level.

Yes. What helped me here, since its always a question of definition (for example of the Supreme Witness): You are that which is aware. And the Totality of Reality itself, since it can only show up in that which is aware. But the Totality of Reality is often only seen as that which appears (The appearance side). And that can totally disappear (Deep Sleep), and the real you is still there, unaware of itself, but with a latent capacity for sentience if something appears again (the emptiness or consciousness/aware side). So the question is: How "empty" is the Supreme Witness. When it is so empty that no arisings/feeling (very subtle I-feelings/I-thoughts) arise and appear in the Totality (call it Reality, Infinite Consciousness, God, Dharmakaya, whatever you want), or you clearly see them all as objects/arisings/movements within you, then what you realize yourself to be very obviously is the Totality/Reality/Infinite Consciousness,... . The stage before that is the Supreme Witness, or Empty Witness: Ken Wilber calls that the Empty Witness: Personality, and especially time and space are already transcended, "you" feel the infinite reality as mere appearance, timeless. And always here. But there are still some clusters of sensations arising IN YOU that feel like individuality, or that you are not the unbounded whole, but a feeling of watching it appears in you. You are not all of it, the sensation of "other" still arise a lot in daily life, you dont feel that you what looks from all eyes is the same consciousness that gets clouded by feelings/thoughts of I/me, exactly like how it used to get clouded in you. The realization is neither stable, nor complete. And then at some point you realize that (learn to spot) these arisings/feelings/building blocks of the Supreme Witness or Empty Witness are still left and arising/moving in you. You learn to spot them in a sort of High-Speed-Analysis, recognize them as arisings/objects appearing within you, and you can stop them immediately (subject->object), or just watch them. Then they drop, the Empty Witness drops, and the real you stays. But that is described by some as impersonal, a formulation that I am not totally happy with. Yes, its impersonal, its not the you you thought you were, but its the real you. And that real you "has" or "contains" the personal you moving in it. Then that boosts the nondual state, makes the whole world appear just as mere appearance, an imagined illusion, infinite, groundless, a mirage happening within you (that also starts before, but gets boosted a lot the more the Empty Witness drops). Pretty much a state that Psychedelics cause, but sobre. And with it comes happiness and bliss independend of what happens at that moment, which is the most beautiful aspect of it. If you dont have nonduality and nonseparation and are not aware of the Ground of Being in normal life (while not meditating or tripping), these very subtle arisings/I-feelings/I-thoughts still arise in you and are not spotted with high enough speed to see them for what they are: Sensations of separation arising within the real you. In my experience, you can not force real Nonduality/mere appearance of the totality/world, its an energetic state that gets influenced "indirectly" over how fast you spot these I-thoughts/I-feelings. Here I am fully in line when Leo says you need the right state (of enought nonduality, illusion-like mere appearance of the world, directly feeling it all as mere empty consciousness appearance mirage-arising). When you spot these subtle arisings (building blocks of the separate self and even Empty Witness) fast enough, they arise in you. But you can't force it with willpower, that would be what Daniel Brown in Pointing out the Great Way calls "artifical activity" during the stage of Nonmeditation Yoga (last stage of the 4 Mahamudra stages). It becomes automatic once you understand it at that stage. Its one of the Illusion-Mechanism of Maya that you can't force your way through it with willpower, but you can do it indirectly with understanding how to rest in your true nature. The energetic state of nonduality follows. Its some kind of positive feedback loop, sloping "upwards" if done correctly. I agree with Leo that Nonduality (which ripens) is in its early stages not realization of Ultimate Reality. Daniel Brown for example also. But realization of Ultimate Reality has to be nondual, since its a unity and infinite. And this development can pretty easily stagnate (especially before nonduality even begins to start), and stop if you do something incorrect, or understand something incorrect. Which pretty much happens with 99% of Buddhists. So the separate you disappears, but the real you as Awareness AND the Reality/World stays. So the Illusion-You disappears, but the real you is of course, as always, there. It can not "not be there". That is the Unborn, Reality itself. The real you. And in that area/stage definitions of different authors and traditions get very slippery, since these "feelings" of the Supreme Witness (as you intuit) are very very subtle, and its very easy to identify with them and not notice it. Over the years, I ended up with a metaphor for myself: Zen is like axe to cut a tree. Very robust, works if you do it long enough hard enough pretty foolproof, doesnt need a lot complex theory/stages, but normally takes a long time and is not so pleasant (and in practice for most doesnt deliver the final results, because it takes extreme willpower). More sophisticated versions of Buddhism, with a more detailed map, like Mahamudra/Dzogchen (see for example Brown, Pointing out the Great Way), are like a Forest Harvester: If used correctly very fast, quite pleasant (for the user, probably not for the forest) and comfortable along the path, but quite hard to understand and learn, since language is so slippery in these areas. Like if you want to use a Forest Harvester, and if you dont get explained how it works (like put gas in it, how to drive it, its controls), delivers no result at all. Zen = robust, sit long enough with a Koan and you get it, not much to misunderstand, but neither very fast nor pleasant Mahamudra/Dzogchen = very sophisticated with techniques and details and pointing out descriptions for every stage, but if used incorrectly (like not putting as into forest harvester) no result at all even if you do it a long time. Some Material for that stage I found useful: 1) Massaro, Spiritual Conversations with a Skeptic: "Imagine a formless, space-like void that's indestructible, sentient, awake, alive and aware, but has no form. You could almost say it has no self awareness. It just is. Russell: So wait... A void? A vacuum? Nothing? Bentinho: Yes. Just imagine it. Russell: OK, go ahead. Bentinho: The point of the analogy is that there is no object. Imagine infinite space with no stars or planets. Suddenly, you introduce a toy; let's say a water pistol. Or it could be a body even. But let's say... Russell: An object. Bentinho: Yeah, an object. A water pistol. Russell: With water in it. Bentinho: Maybe with Coca-Cola in it. Russell: With Coca-Cola in it. OK. Bentinho: Ah! Now there is something. Something is created. First there is this space, which is like the pure subject with no reference points. It's like space, but it's not actually space. Russell: Wait... where am I in relation to this infinite space? Bentinho: You are it. Russell: I am it? Bentinho: Yes. Russell: OK. But there is nothing in it at first. Bentinho: Correct. There is nothing in it at all; there is just Infinity. Russell: But I am in it. Bentinho: You are it. " 2) How other perspectives/beings work: A Human is aware of only his perspective (normally). But Infinite Consciousness can forget in time (what did you do exactly one year ago), or to be more precice NOT imagine that memory, and it can forget in space (metaphor of Francis Lucille). To get an idea watch the cover of this book of Marc Leavitt. Notice the hyperbolic geometry of the awareness fields shown. Reality is made of perspectives (Ken Wilber, Concept of Indras Net). Reality is a giant mind (Leo, and more or less all traditions). https://www.amazon.com/Enlightenment-Behind-Scenes-Marc-Leavitt/dp/1495398218 3) How to Approach Phenomenal Consciousness, Jac O'keeffe. She calls Ultimate Reality Totality Primary Consciousness "the fundamental primary phenomenal consciousness (her name for Ultimate Reality, Infinite Consciousness, the real you), it has a capacity. It doesn't even know itself here. However, it has a capacity to show up with a sense of emptiness (a subtle arising feeling/perception happening in you). To show up as one. To show up as a one who can reflect on itself and recognize that it is, and we have the concept of existence. And it can go from that sense of vast spaciousness and that unified field into time, which appears as a dot. " "We're left with consciousness (-> Primary Consciousness) that cannot know itself. It's such a fundamental that it actually can't know itself. However, it is known. You can drop back there and it is known, but you can't bring yourself there or your capacities to know it. It's almost like it's so fundamental that it can't turn around and see itself. It doesn't see itself. That's too much movement (arisings, objects, subtle I-feelings/I-thoughts, not fully empty/infinite). That's movement such as space, time and identification and me, myself, I, and the building of my movie that happens" Here she describes how Primary Consciousness is so empty that it cant turn around to see itself. Because that turning around would already be a movement, a arising, a subtle object within Primary consciousness/Real you. 4) Stephen Wolinsky, or how Empty is your Empty Witness or Supreme Witness: from Wolinsky, Nothing Comes From Nothing " Knowing or being aware of or consciousness of who you are is “one step” away from being who you are. This is why the Buddha said, “You might not necessarily be aware of your own enlightenment. Why? Because there is no aware-er or awareness or knower or knowingness, to be aware of or know or know about or be conscious of the Absolute. And why Lakshamann Joo said, “Whenever you perceive something, you perceive it from one level lower.” (remark: You can never see the Absolute Reality/Consciousness, cause looking or searching for it is a movement of attention WITHIN IT. But you can understand it, be it, intuit it, from one level lower. The Supreme Witness is one of the last movements IN YOU/Reality looking for absolute consciousness, inducing an experience of it, which of course is not it because it is you). Paradoxically As the Absolute there is no Absolute If the “I” or “you” “has an “experience” and believes it IS consciousness awareness infinite potential presence or that it IS an “imagined” infinity, then the “I” or “you” mistakenly assumes and projects that experience upon the Absolute. Once that occurs the “I” or “you” then completely believes and ergo experiences that the Absolute also has or IS the experience of consciousness has or IS the experience of awareness has or IS the experience of infinite potential has or IS the experience of presence has or IS the experience of an “imagined” infinite. Consciousness awareness infinite potential presence or an “imagined” infinite are the most subtle of the most subtle states and veils which give the illusion of awareness, the illusion of consciousness the illusion of presence and the illusion of both beingness and being conscious. This “experiential belief” of consciousness awareness infinite potential presence or an “imagined” infinite or “infinity, is an anthropomorphically projected experience of consciousness awareness infinite potential presence or an “imagined” infinite or “infinity. Thus giving the illusionary experience of awareness, the illusionary experience of consciousness the illusionary experience of presence and the illusionary experience of both beingness and being conscious. Which are then Superimposed on the Absolute Nothingness. Simply stated, the experience of consciousness awareness infinite potential presence or an “imagined” infinite or “infinity is an experience. This experience gives the illusion of a beingness, isness or existence to these temporary subtle veils and experiences which are made of nothing. The Absolute is without the Absolute Nothingness " 5) Prior to Nonduality Youtube-Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9vlZGtpdFIts8GOG5vu27g Mechanisms of Creation/Imagination/Manifestation: Its important and nice to find out HOW you imagine this world with all of its infinite mechanism. And the first and fundamental mechanisms on how imagination/manifestation (in any universe/dimension) can occur can be understood (for example how the fundamental archetypes of space and time (giving "objects" or appearances that change in time), and the first "movements" (even if they are formless) of appearances in consciousness are spawned out from the Infinite Consciousness/Reality. That is for example described by Ken Wilber as the manifestation of the first Archetypes at the causal stage (he calls it low causal, while high causal being the empty ultimate Godhead). But since Reality/Spirit/God is able to manifest/imagine infinite Worlds, with totally different mechanism than our universe for example, by definition one will never be able to understand all of their mechanisms, since you dont have access to all Realities (and you couldnt while being human). And you can never explore all of them, by definition of what Infinity means. That is what God/Reality itself is exploring. Leo mentioned that in "Outrageous Experiments In Consciousness - 30 Awakenings In 30 Days.", there are infinite dimensions of awakening. Which is, as mentioned, quite shocking. But for sure its nice and important to grasp the fundamental mechanism of imagination/manifestation, which apply to all universes/dimensions (since all are appearances), and understanding that in your deepest being you are that one Reality. I believe these fundamentals are important to understand and realize and experience. Else "you" are stuck with believing experiencing Nonduality or Emptiness is it, while that is only the start to realize Infinity. And you can of course realize the Groud of Being, your true nature. But one can never explore all mechanism of manifestation, since a human in its limited time can never explore all realms of manifestation (and there are for examples according to Jac O'Keffee and Stephen Wolinsky some truly alien realms that are not build with the building blocks of this Universe. Yet they are also only appearances). So at some level one either says "Its details, and one can never explore all mechanism of manifestation, because even for God/Absolute Reality there are Infinite Realms of Appearances/Worls/Universes to explore", or it is a grasping for seeing as much as possible. Which is a high level recipe for nevery finding the constant peace/happiness independend of outer circumstances, the hallmark of the enlightened ones, and also nevery fully resting it. Maya is awe-inspiring, and her Illusion-Mechanisms (which are necessary for this Lila) go to the highest level also. But understanding the fundamental mechanism of how manifestation/imagination occurs, how you fool yourself (Maya), what ultimate Reality/God/Spirit is, what other is, how Maya works, what one really is and how one imagines otherwise, that is all essential. And of course humanity will go exploring all of that (manifestation/imagination mechanisms, mechanisms of Maya, "going Psychonaut" and exploring it, exploring Ken Wilbers subtle and low causal realms and mapping them. He even said in the next 1000 years probably many new substages will show up and getting formed & described during exploration). This understanding will grow. Buddhism has evolved in the past, there is not even one Buddhism, there are many different streams, some more developed/sophisticated/efficient than others. I don't think Buddhism will disappear, so it will change and evolve by definition. Buddhism happens in Infinity, not the other way round. And to conclude: I hope this is interesting and helpful for some of you. It took me a long time to understand why there are so many, often contradicting statements in the spiritual traditions/teachers/psychonautic explorers, and how Reality is structured (and the differing perspectives & statements it supports and brings forth on various stages/states) to enable and support all of these differing perspectives, experiences and viewpoints. For sure, this picture isn't complete, but at least for me tells a story that for me is sufficient to continue my practice in peace and enjoy what it brings into my life, be able to sort all these often conflicting messages in a large and hopefully integral perspective, and stay interested in how Reality is structured that all of that can appear in it (the psychonaut approach). And of course its nearly impossible to communicate all of that in language. In case anybody has read all of the above until here: A metaphor that, if I remember correctly, also Ken Wilber once used: Zen would deliver the much more precise summary, which is why I also like Zen a lot: The old pond, A frog jumps in: Plop! Matsuo Basho (1644-1694)

Leo, so we will eventually experience everything for infinity right? So why do we asume that we will be other human beings, taxi drivers, cats and so on. Why so focused on our current realm beings - if there is infinity alien creatures and so on? I guess I just feel better if I know I will experience other being forms and not „(just)“ trillion of human forms ? sounds more exciting.

How can " I " be reincarnated, since actually there is no "I" because I'm already everything? And God can dream infinite kinds and types of universes and realities, he can dream he is being alien for example, and can have all these infinite dreams without having the notion of "sequence".

Think of it like this: Consciousness is obviously capable of being a human. You experience that. Consciousness is also capable of being a kangaroo. Well, likewise, consciousness is capable of being an alien. So the only question that remains is: What is the experience of being an alien intelligence like? You don't know. But you could.

@OBEler True, you could follow older spiritual traditions and systems and their designed paths over time, based on the 10,000s of years of that path working. Although I don't know what you meant with existing dogma and the spiritual traditions being dogmatic, do you mean when they refer to each other, when you ask a master/student of Buddhism about Judaism and the Kabbalah and vice versa? If you meant it that way, I don't think that level of close mindedness and dogma is unhealthy on the surface. They are largely stage blue traditions, with their cultural baggage, that wish to preserve their way of investigating into their reality and other spiritual experiences, so the notion of a spiritual tradition and its esoteric branch mixing with another is alien and of course guarded against for good reason. *Terrain and *hundreds.

If God is happy cosplaying Ramu why would I want to spend thousands on a course to be an alien Consciousness? Why would I want to explore insanity? Most people have to earn a living (and by the way that doesn't mean that by default that we're all slave wage earners....I make a decent wage working for the US Government)....so the risk in doing this is wasting money and losing my job. No thank you. I'm enlightened enough to know that's a stupid and irresponsible choice.

There is no such thing as alien. There is only you.

I know what you guys are saying. Here's my point....God wants to cosplay as me...and from an absolute solipsism viewpoint that's correct...all it wants to do is be a Ramu. And it is. Otherwise I'd be E.T. Somewhat silly, but I understand that my True Self is NOT human....so is that the "alien" consciousness? ... Somewhat off topic...but if psychedelics could get me there somehow, it sure would be nice if the United States Government would fucking LEGALIZE them. To make matters stickier, Leo won't allow the topic of sourcing...so aside from ordering Brazilian tree bark and extracting dmt that way, and aside from going to the dark web (and getting arrested by federal agents)...it seems we're at a standstill. I happen to know a few people where I can acquire them...but not too many people I know have 5 meo or al-lad or 5 meo malt laying about....so aside from all this how the hell would anyone progress to Leo's levels of everything is hush hush and we can't even fucking talk about it? WTF?

Let's assume it's not alien. If a secret laboratory had the technology to build such a thing, should they inform humanity about the achievement? Not necessarily.

No. They're a lost tribe of alien mice.

Whether or not there exists something like an orderedness to reality independent of our sensemaking is kinda vague and trivial. What I'm saying is that to articulate exactly what that order entails does depend on our sensemaking. "Logic" or "laws" is also just one way of making sense of it, and the logic and laws you're able to articulate depends on your cognitive structures, and these are not universal. They're specific to humans who underwent evolution on planet Earth and the cultural evolution of the last 30 000 years. If you were a lizard who evolved inside a cave without a visual system, or a hyperdimensional alien who is not constrained by space or time, you'll come to very different conclusions than humans. The realist tendency is a survival mechanism that reduces complexity and speeds up mental processing. Believing that there is such thing a thing as a physical particle out there in something we call space and which changes its states through something we call time, is an useful intuition given to us through culture and evolution. But look at say quantum mechanics: is light a particle or a wave? How can something be two things? It starts to betray our realist intuitions. The pragmatist impulse is to say that the particle model is one model, and the wave model is another model, and they're simply different ways of making sense of a phenomena. As for QM, somebody recently won a nobel prize for their 40 years of work on quantum entanglement, which disproves the idea that particles have standalone existence (properties that exist independent of measurement) and that actions in the universe are constrained by locality (the speed of light). Einstein didn't want to accept these possibilities because they are so counterintuitive. So again, you see how the rules that we're willing to apply to reality are strongly tied to our cultural and evolutionary intuitions.

The Collective It feels as if it were a friendship or relationship with the Collective, including nature. As if somehow the Collective were a hive mind or communicating at lightening speeds on an unconscious level. It feels directly connected to people and reality, even though when the Collective communicates with me unconsciously it feels very alien. The rest is synchronicity or higher intuition. Awakening When I am in alignment I am also experiencing awakening. I won’t go into too much detail apart from that since I am still exploring it but basically it’s that I experience everyone and everything as Me. Other signs: Note: Signs and symbols don’t mean anything unless it feels right. Higher intuition or synchronicity. Cigarettes - symbolises incorrect positioning/incorrect invitation (overstaying, wrong people etc.) Smoking - symbolises incorrect positioning/incorrect invitation (overstaying, wrong people etc.) No smoking - symbolises no incorrect positioning/incorrect invitation (overstaying, wrong people etc.) motorcycles - symbolises incorrect positioning/incorrect invitation (overstaying, wrong people etc.) Barbeque -symbolises incorrect positioning/incorrect invitation (overstaying, wrong people etc.) Fire - symbolises incorrect positioning/wrong action Fire extinguisher- symbolises correct positioning/right action Alcohol - symbolises incorrect positioning/wrong action Difficult to stay awake After my awakening yesterday it’s difficult to stay awake, it’s like the friendship between me and the collective is so dead. There’s such depression. I have to bring it back to life somehow.

Kardashian ass is unnatural and alien to me. I'm more into eastern European girls.

@Gabith So you have been seeing a psychologist for a few months. Is he/she a professional, educated and experienced person, who has been several hundreds of hours in psychotherapy including hypnotherapy? Is he/she a psychotherapist at all? I doubt it. Trained mental health professionals should know that hypnosis can induce psychosis. After the end of the therapeutic hour they should check up on their patients or clients and aply a proper therapeutic metodology in case early signs of psychosis happen. It seems he(or she) haven't done any of that. Hatred is an agressive urge towards an object that treatens you. The origin of it is some early trauma or Trauma. When we experience fear, we often feel hatred as a defence against the pain. However many times hatred is also repressed by another layer of fear of punishment or shame of not being accepted if we express the hatred (even if it expressed in healthy way). If you uncover this in inappropriate way, it can "overflow" your daily awareness. Sometimes it feels as an "outsider" or as an "psychological alien". The solution to that is acceptance of hatred which is burdend by fear or shame, and also acceptance of that deeper fear and pain which is the cause of hatred in a first place. That would be an in-depth resolution and healing of your problem. Of course with a proper professional psychotherapist. I hope that helps...

..yet they're generally accounted for by physical processes understood by modern science, whereas what I was referring to is not. If I said "Sadhguru radiates a divine essence that inspires awe and is felt by his mere presence or gaze alone", how exactly do you think a scientist would go about measuring this? No, not in the specific way you're asking. If you simply have a dream or see visions of another life that in no way suggests you were seeing your past life. But if it's an experience of literally spending years on alien planets, living in other dimensions and building long-term relationships with inter-dimensional aliens who teach/show you how reality works, then those experiences might override whatever you're told in the physical.

Irrelevant to the the point. There are many people like Sadhguru where there naturally shouldn't be. Sadhguru sometimes mentions how he can can simply look at a random person and they both suddenly "feel" each other's "energy" or "quality of consciousness", and are in shock of each other. Like meeting a fellow "awakened one". Even Leo talks about this in his Turquoise video, iirc. People can be at a level where they just radiate their Turquoiseness, where people start to gather around them from the energy they radiate. Simply having grown up in "the right kind of environment", as Carl was suggesting, isn't enough to account for this, I didn't. I was making the point that matters of the physical alone aren't enough to account for everything we see. Yes, but again that doesn't mean anything. Experiences are just that. I wasn't suggesting that souls are the reason for these differences, but that they could be one, in theory. It's an "unknown" why some people just don't seem to "fit" in a family, or are particularly drawn to some random/specific thing in their career or whatever. It being unknown means there are, for certain, variables which we haven't accounted for, meaning we can't rule out souls being one such variable. Specific reasons? You mean like ones we've measured with our modern day equipment? Well there is some indirect empirical evidence of this, by the monroe institute, such as proof of dimensions outside our own, which validate Robert Monroe's and Tom Campbell's accounts of their direct experiences, many of which suggest and/or confirm the existence of soul-like forms and their fundamental/ubiquitous nature across all realms of existence. But all that exists is your experience, so if it's not your experience it's not your truth and is impossible to really verify. If an alien knocked on your door, or if a famous scientist proclaimed that souls exist, none of that would really mean anything.