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Absolute nothingness, empty void of something which is nothing. Beautiful. Those ego death moments are something magical.

Because he's caught in a classic spiritual trap where he thinks he's escaped dualism, but he's just basically taken a left wing atheist worldview coupled with buddhism and nu age. Anti religion thinking God didn't design religion exactly and perfectly as it is Anti conservatism thinking God didn't design conservatism exactly and perfectly as it is Anti science (nu age) because he's too lazy to pick up a physics book so it's easier to play gotchas, the same way atheists inevitably defend their position by implying everyone who believes in God sanctions child rape Buddhist nonsense of nothingness which ironically he and Frank Yang make HOURS of content on lmao He used to be willing to do the work: Lifting weights Actually learning REAL things Avoiding politics like the useless plague it is Now it's just drugs, porn, left wing ideas and solipsism. It is what it is, but he is capped on his growth, he already BTFOd so much in: Beating his past addictions (food, guilt, shame, shyness) Beating left wing whinyness and actually learning/weight training Beating the typical atheist dork know it all as he does actually have a bit of science knowledge beyond talking about evolution lmao Beating buddhist worthlessness in their do nothing attitude by actually producing videos with tangible, verifiable and true claims But yeah, that's it for him. There are more levels, but it's just too easy to chill where he is at: Jordan Peterson Ken Wilber Tai Lopez Richard Koch Tony Robbins Robin Sharma Tim Ferriss Osho Sadhguru Eckart Tolle Tom Woods Dawkins Hitchens Lex Fridman Tom B Valuetainment Everyone plateaus, we'll see if he can pull through it. "You still don't know anything about reality, accepting all the cultures and norms of whatever culture you grew up in, the standards are extremely low, so there is an artificial glass ceiling created on your potential. You have no idea what you are, on every level, not at the physical, not at the psychological, at the emotional level, at the spiritual level, you don't really understand yourself" If you know how to read it, you'll see. Let those who have eyes see Let those who have ears hear

It is created by nothingness as nothing. Therefore nothing was never created, therefore separation has never happened. “You are already awake” says comes from that perspective. Because Whatever you do, so called believe in thoughts or life dont matter. You are already what you are.

Whatever you have learned since your birth is a thought. “Awareness “ is a thought, but the word of “awareness” point out to emptiness or nothingness, where the so called thoughts rises. Anything happens within the “awareness “ including thought of word “awareness “.

I see Atman as more for the word for the little self or ego. Because Atman literally means self. I see GOD or big Self as Parmatman(which literally means Supreme Self). Shiva I see as Nothingness that permeates all. And Kali as the dance of this nothingness, all these sensations and feelings. I see them as one. And that oneness is what I call Parmatman. And that there is no Atman, or ego to begin with. That's my semantics and understanding for you.

What is the relationship between these four entities or principles? This is how I see it, from the observations I have made in recent days. Well, let's start with Atman. Atman is the One without the Other, and thus it is the Other, and All that exists. The Atman is the Soul or Jiva at the Centre of the Universe and everything that exists. Shiva cannot be in the Centre, because he is the space in which the Centre exists. Kali is what works around it (the Centre), and is thus One with the Center just as Shiva is. Shiva is the space, Kali is the energy. Atman is both. Atman is the only being or entity that can be both Shiva and Kali at the same time. Atman Shiva ---> I <--- Kali Shiva and Kali can play around together and be One, switch roles etc, but they cannot impersonate a single form as one without being One with the Atman. The Atman is the Center of every point of space. If you were to imagine the whole fabric of the universe and all dimensions possible (infinity), as being composed of infinitely many dots, infinitely close together, then you would have the understanding that the Atman is at the centre of every single one of those dots. Where does the Atman's Shakti come from? Not Shiva, not Kali. Atman is Shakti and Shiva at the same time, so Atman created Shiva and Shakti, and Kali as a result. Kali is awakened Shakti. The Shakti that Shiva has given to Her. It is her, because she is energy. She needs Shiva to move Her. She is Shakti that is intelligent and able to communicate with relationship. Shiva is what can move control and harness Shakti in whatever way He wants, and thus he is able to control the Shakti and feed it to Kali, who will use it to bring justice to the universe. Brahman is all that is, without a center, and thus nothingness like Shiva. The only difference between Brahman and Shiva is that Brahman cannot be impersonated by anyone or anything, while Shiva can. I hope this helps anyone trying to understand. Yet I am sure this is still a work in progress, so please share any of your observations or insights. I encourage you to do so Om Tat Sat

my feel is that there are multiple layers here: non existence, concept, existence. Concept is a subset of existence, along with other layers like material reality, sleep dream reality, psychedelic hallucinations. An apple may not have physically manifested as material, but may have physically manifested as a concept or in sleep dream. If the apple is in concept but not in material reality, then relative to material reality, the apple exists as non-existence. Yet this is all occurring within existence. An apple though could never occur in non-existence, because non existence does not contain the material, conceptual or sleep dream realms. It contains no realms, pure mu or nothingness. For example, its wrong to say a pink elephant existed as non-existence throughout this entire reading, because the elephant just manifested in the concept realm as soon as this paragraph was read. There was literally no pink elephant before. Therefore that non-existence cannot have any manifestation or form in actuality. Yet non-existence is much more akin to dementia/amnesia. If you're saying a unicorn does not exist, IME that non existence is happening in existence.

There is this popular example with the cinema. Imagine, you are in the cinema and watching the movie. You see people, cars, trees. But they are just the projection on the screen. And now go further. There is no projector, no screen, no spectator. The pictures (nor sure, this is the right word) come from nowhere to nowhere for nobody. In nothingness. I hope, I wasn´t inaccurate in the explanation, since I haven´t had direct experience.

I listened, even I think that jiddu was a fake. Was the first master that impressed me , and now I read and I think that he only want to sound misterious. But you never know. He says that any believe have not worth. Of course I agree. Only direct experience has worth, words and sistem of beliefs are empty, but some ways of thinking could help to make the ego less hard. Yeah normal, thats why I used that word. But I used after to perceive. When the mind dissapear , the limits dissapear. You realize that the mind is that: a limit that shape the nothingness. Without limit you perceive the infinite ,or the nothing if you prefer. But my realization finish there. After the experience, if I meditate, there is not a wall in front me anymore, there is open, no limit. I think I'm going to costume to that and be nothing. But it isn't the point. The point is that I'm sure that itsnt all. Go for a walk in the country, yes, all is a thought, but what a thought! The nothingness must be only a face of the infinity I don't know because I wasn't more deeper, but I think yes, it's possible be. There is a mistery to understand, the being.

Infinity is nothing that I learned. 5 meo stopped my mind , and infinity was revealed, as the limits created by the mind disappeared.(no wonderland at all) I can assure you that there was nothing learned there. The idea that was in my mind when I came back was: absolutely unthinkable (and horrible too because it's more nothing that I ever imagine) . I don't doubt your perception of pure nothingness but what about this, maya, the dream, what do you want to call it? for you it is nothing ... but it is a very rich nothing, very perfect, very deliberate. dont close the door to more deep understanding

Go deeper. That infinity will crush into singularity, which is nothingness. Pure and empty. Before the big bang. Forget everything you know. Infinite is still something that you have learned. Anything you have learned is not it. Stop believing in 5 meo too much or stay in wonderland. EVen if you don’t believe in “me” listen the man of intelligence. Go deeper till there is no one left to experience anything. Be no one, be nothing. Definitely. Forget everything you know, such as infinite, infinite, intelligence, mind or whatever you have learned. Question is this, what is the only thing that you can not learn, feel, sense or understand? Empty your cup. Lol. ?????If “i” shaved my head and wear some guru close stuff. You might think that “i” am a saint instead of wearing black suit, because gurus or saints wear guru’s clothes. Mind loves to conceptualize everything. ??? you made me laugh man. Love you! But let me give you hint, when the so called mind goes, there will be no more awakening. Because every moment is identical and meditation. Because naming and labeling of the words ended. “I” said meditation for your perspective. All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?” “Buddha”. Forget EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE LEARNED. What is the only thing that can not be told, understand and conceptualize? You are already NOTHING. Stop learning, forget everything. Let the clouds go. You are me, because we are nothing, therefore unconditional love.

@James123 I think I finally "figured out" what's the go with you hahaha. Maybe I didn't though, doesn't matter because I just got some huge insights anyway that's gonna help me a lot. I found this convo fruitful, thanks. In a nutshell, I don't actually see words. I don't actually see meaning. I don't actually see any of that stuff. Its impossible to deconstruct what words are using words, because whatever I come up with, it will be seen as another conceptualization, because that's what words are. If we were to conceptualize though, words ARE infinite intelligence or infinite love or nothingness or whatever ya call it. There's no meaning, no words none of that stuff in actuality. Saying so is of course absolutely delusional. Its literally not there. I don't really care how you describe it, because I don't see meaning. So all meaning is stripped off from every word all the time. All I see is intelligence and knowing. That's why if you tell me "the ego is real" I'll be like cool that's awesome. If you tell me "the ego is not real" ill be like cool that's awesome, because when you strip off the meaning of both of those sentences, they both = infinite intelligence. So I literally don't give a fuck about what you write. On a practical level though, if you are a seeker and I feel (with infinite intelligence) that telling you "the ego doesnt exist" is gonna help you, ill write that. If I sense that youre too stuck on "the ego doesnt exist" I'll mind fuck you and say something like "the ego does exist" not because I believe its true, but because there's no meaning and only infinite intelligence so the meaning doesnt matter what matters is helping you. That's what I was trying to describe above. BUT, there is an infinite intelligence/nothingness "knowing" of what "meaning", "words" are. That knowing is not a conceptualization. You cannot put it in a box and say here it is, because its infinite formlessness. And this is obvious, because you knew, you had intelligence to know that some people actually believe meaning is real or exists, when it definitely doesnt. Or one or nothingness, however you wanna describe it. How you're meant to use my posts, is to completely strip off all the meaning and just feel the intelligence that "I" "inject" into it. The meaning and concepts and all that crap doesnt matter. Because its literally not there. I'll contradict myself without worry because it literally doesnt matter. Its just fucking intelligence. In a sense, all thats happening is you are sharing love to you through these posts completely devoid of meaning. Thats all this thread is, you sharing love/intelligence to you. Even though you realize meaning literally doesn't exist and you're "awake" doesn't mean you can't deepen your awakening. Rupert Spira talks about deepening awakenings if you really need to ride off another teacher for confidence. I can share a video. Compassion deepens awakenings, you feel more love, get a deeper connection with source when you do compassionate things or connect with others. Or when you meditate. You aint a 100% saint after awakening, you can still deepen it. Leo's endless wonderland is just deepening awakening, thats it. Its just feeling more love and intelligence. Its well beyond realizing that meaning literally doesn't exist. Its well beyond concepts. Realizations at that stage are just explosions of intelligence, another aspect of deepening awakenings with compassion. Anyway, I contemplated your perspective and realized you actually thought I thought meaning literally existed, then once I realized that, all of your posts made total and utter sense. It was an epiphany. So I'm pretty sure I know where you're coming from now, even if it seems to you im totally deluded or retarded or whatever, you're literally me from my perspective so it doesn't matter an awful lot if thats the case, it just matters what epiphanies i got. You've just reminded me that people can actually believe meaning literally exists, which is helpful for my expression. So thanks for that, I don't think I need to ask ya any more questions.

At no self level there is no false or true. There is no such a thing as exist or not exist. It is exist and not exist from egoistical perspective. When non duality happens, all becomes 1, which is nothing. But this is not the case for ego, you can clearly see you define as exist and not exist at the same time. You are completely wrong. When there is an awakening, there is no egoic consciousness, all becomes 1. After that realization happens that was never a egoic consciousness. Therefore egoic consciousness and no self realization is not same. Because you are still looking from DUALITY PERSPECTIVE. Nothing has never happened. But for you it is true and happening. Therefore these explanations are given to you. For ‘me’, time has never began nor me. I am already what i am, but you duality goes on therefore explanation is happening. There is no false or true. Everything is NOTHING. You conceptualized awakening. There is true and false from dualitic perspective. From non dual there is no such a thing as true or false. All is NOTHINGNESS. Nothing has never began. Nothingness has no beginning therefore no end. These are not sentences, they are all nothing from non dual perspective and nothing for me. But you are me and thats why i am trying to help you. For you duality still goes on. Therefore these explanations are given to you. If you realized non duality, there is no need to explain to you anything. If you have realized nothingness, you would already realize these all words are identical. If you want detail answer of this sentences you can got post of leos wonderland. And read page 6-7 conversations between ‘me’ and ‘crazytobetoocrazy’. “I” did “my” best fo “you” brother. Awakening is not being selfish, it is been selfless. Otherwise “i” will never explain anything.

At the no self level: "deeper" = thought = False. "you" = thought = False. You have no evidence/realization that deeper was ever true. You're making that up. Pure imagination. You've never had a realization that deeper was a thing. You don't have any evidence that "you" got "deeper". 4 years ago was formlessness, now is formlessness. You never realized no-self. James never realized no self, James is not awake. James was as no-self realized 4 years ago as he is NOW. You also don't have any evidence that a "you" actually "dissolved". That's purely made up. You have no evidence that you ever had an ego. 4 years ago, no ego. That's what no self realization teaches you, that the ego was never there in the first place. Its not that the ego disappeared, its that it was never there, thats why the realization is so powerful. God/Nothingness realized that you and deeper were never there. But (and this is stuff James is totally misleading seekers about) Because you never realized no-self(because there's no you or deeper - ever), no-self was happening even at the beginning of the spiritual journey, you cannot make a distinction between what was experienced(not by a you, just by nothingness) after no-self realization, and before no-self realization. egoic consciousness vs post no-self realization is a false dichotomy. Both are just as true as each other(because no self realization is true, no self realization was literally happening 4 years ago, therefore egoic consciousness has to be just as true as no self realization. If you actually think that egoic consciousness was false and post no self realization is true, just contemplate where your evidence is, that is a wrong assumption. ego consciousness = no self realization consciousnes = Trueth). That's why some teachers say you are already enlightened(like alan watts). Yet people actually think they have an ego in egoic consciousness, and that's because its not actually there, that's because it seems to be there. Its an optical illusion. Its a dream. It both exists and doesn't exist So if egoic consciousness is just as true as no self realization, then what's actually false? Egoic consciousness is the only place where a "false" can actually occur. And if everything in egoic consciousness is True, then have you ever actually experienced a "false"? All those no self realization beings out there, go contemplate if "false" is actually a thing. If you have ever experienced a false before. Nothing is outside of consciousness, so what was actually false? The next realization (after no self realization) is the realization that false = true. There never actually was a false. Everything that's false was true. False vs true is redundant, its useless. Because everything is true, including false. EVERYTHING IS TRUE. egoic consciousness is true, ego is true, no ego is true, 3D world is true, no 3D world is true. Both the universe is nothing is True AND the universe is everything is true. There's no false here. Yeah its all a dream/illusion, the ego is a dream, the 3D world is a dream, but everything in the dream is true, you've never experienced an actual false. So how is it possible to have deeper realizations? What's not true? What's false? Its as simple as that. The universe is literally infinite. Which means deeper realizations are true. Caveats You can still be deluded, for sure, but delusion is true. Just because delusion is true doesn't mean you shouldn't point out delusion. Its important to point out delusion so that you can reduce suffering and be happier. If everything is true then why dont I see green elephants in the world? The universe is infinite, yet you are viewing the infinite from a finite mind. That finite mind has all the properties of the finite, and finite means some things have manifested while others haven't. Yet to someone who knows the infinite, its as clear as day that reincarnating into a world with green elephants is totally possible. "me", "nature", "you", "identical" are all thoughts on a no self realization level. from no self realization POV: "you" = thought. Its impossible for me to realize anything because from your POV I am LITERALLY your imagination. The stuff you conjure up about "me" is pure delusion. Pure projection. You talk about realizing nothingness, yet you act as if I actually have substance, I actually have a brain that can realize things. This is not proper teaching of no self realization. This is a subtle duality. Proper teaching of no self realization does not assume what others have realized or not, because all that stuff is delusion at the no self realization level. This is probs gonna be the last time ill try to point to something beyond no self realization, I dont think I could explain it any better then this. If this is useless/goes on deaf ears, then so will everything else.

@electroBeam hours ago, James123 said: These guys have been meditating for decades. Of course they are right. Dont trust your “self” to much. Go deeper till no”i” to experience anything left. You need to experience nothingness. As ı said, Go deeper till no”i” to experience anything left. Because, you become nothing with letting go and surrendering. Because whatever you have identify yourself is something that you hold on to. you just need to drop down everything with surrendering. There is no such a thing as everythingness. nothing is everything such as, formlessness can take any form. But there is no deeper than formlessness. Because Everything is nothing. Thats why me, nature and you are identical. Because our connection that makes us identical is, we are nothing. İt is very clear too realize that you have no idea what are you talking about. instead of trying to debate, learn and let go the person, which 'your' 'self'. Funny. When you become directly nothing there is no more deeper than that. Brother have a direct realization and talk. Dont come up to me with stuff that you have learned. Please. Peace! Definitely brother. But, nothing is everything such as, formlessness can take any form. But there is no deeper than formlessness. Because Everything is nothing. Thats why me, nature and you are identical. Because our connection that makes us identical is, we are nothing. Therefore infinite.

"these guys" = thought "have been meditating" = thought "for decades" = thought "they are right" = thought "dont trust your self to much" = thought "you need to" = thought "experience nothingness" = thought True nothingness has no teachers meditating for decades. True nothingness has no you experiencing nothingness. True nothingness has no trusting yourself. If you haven't gotten that yet, you haven't gone deep enough. And when you realize there are no teachers meditating, what the truth is doesn't depend on other teachers, it depends on direct experience, and direct experience includes way more then nothingness, it includes everythingness.

@James123 yes brother once you become pure Actuality by realizing directly the self is an illusion that is it. There is no mistaking it and your life will never be the same because it was seen through This dissolves the ego and God breaks through the chains of the dream. But then one as God , the formless, can still have realizations. Such as the nature of itself. It can become conscious of it's Nothingness or its Everythingness. For it is truly Infinite. It can become conscious fully of Itself which is identical to Bliss or falling in Love with Itself. So notice the thoughts of the ego are first dissolved but Infinite Mind is what dawns.

This is completely wrong. When you realize that there is no you that have experience anything. Such as even the word of experiencing is you. You are the experience and experiencer itself. You can not experience anything, you are everything because you are nothing. Thats final awakening. These guys have been meditating for decades. Of course they are right. Dont trust your “self” to much. Go deeper till no”i” to experience anything left. You need to experience nothingness. Peace!

It is difficult to embrace the reality that you really are infinite nothingness, but it is so. nothingess uniform, no accidents, flat, pure, timeless, perfect. which also means, without a doubt, that nothingness is

let go of feeling like you don't know anything, that you're not getting anywhere, that you're not gaining anything, that you're not getting "it". The universe IS NOT INFINITE LOVE the universe IS NOT INFINITE INTELLIGENCE the universe IS NOT NOTHINGNESS We are tricking you. We are gaming you. The truth is not those things. NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT LET GO LET GO LET GO

Nothing there. Hope one day you will wake up from nothingness .

"I got wet in this warm waterfall that originates from nowhere I surrendered to the pressure of this waterfall. I let go of myself and let the water move me wherever it likes I let it take me to the furthest of places, I closed my eyes Succumb, Surrender, Let go I let myself be, be one with it's flow. Than I let the river take me wherever I stopped worrying about hitting the rocks in the way, for there were none. I opened my eyes and looked at the the sky's magnificent stars Twinkling as the owls hooted and wolves howled in the forest around the river Even with this dance of sound, sight, feel and smell around me I found this stillness permeating through it all, peace. Nothingness dancing as something" I wrote another poem. I have a question. Is it ok to keep posting poems I write overtime here in this sub forum? Edit: I came up with another poem when walking around. Thought I should add it in here. "The owls hoot into the full moon, The wolves howl into the night sky. A certain silence lives in the vastness of this forest. I bask in it, I soak it in I let it seep into me, permeate me I sit, and be."

Agree with ya but: A stick has 2 ends, the end is just one side. Its hard to escape the finite, I've tried all my life, which happened to be forever. Well yeah, but we can go further then that. It was always over, and you were just pretending it wasn't, because finite = pretending. Your nothingness, not a something. The only way to be a something is to pretend. And how can you be infinite if you can't pretend to be every finite thing? We can go so far as to realize that meditation never caused nothing to happen, never caused ego death, you were just pretending it did, because the infinite includes pretending that meditation gets you to nothingness or killing your ego. You can go so far as to realize the entire path is just a play, a play of finiteness, and the only thing that truly "awakens" you is the end of the finite, not meditation. Meditation is part of the play. Be warned, if you go this far into realizing nothingness, it will be very uncomfortable though, you can't take credit for anything, and you can't fool yourself into thinking you're helping someone else. Because those "others" are just pretending, like you, and they are just pretending they don't know what's written here, they are pranking you, so hard that they actually believe they need help from you, when they don't. Because they are God obviously. And their ignorance is all pretend. And what makes an enlightened person different from an unenlightened person is the enlightened one is different, special because he doesn't play the game because he's enlightened... well I can't claim to be that, because I'm pretending to know that all of you are pretending. The enlightened ones are the biggest players of all. No self realization - pretend. Meditation gets you to nothingness - pretend. Once that realization is had, you're no longer enlightened (or unenlightened). The finite is just coming to an end, including your enlightenment. This is just my Experience, not saying its that same for you though. I totally appreciate that some will think I'm completely deluded, and I totally accept that, I don't have anything to defend. Never did, just pretended to. And so don't you, you really tricky fucken devil.

An insight from a chat today that might be useful regarding meditation and horseshit. There’s nothing wrong with a quick morning meditation, to let thought activity settle, get in touch with feeling, etc. Yet, calling this meditation is comparable to calling a wink, sex. Meditation is truly, really, the end. There’s not going to be anymore you and your roles, your gender, your preferences, your stuff to do, a ‘reality’, an ‘experience’, etc. That’s all done now, it’s all over. Hopefully you enjoyed it, because this is the actual end of everything. Whatever could be said to be left of you dissolves into the void of nothingness and that’s it, show’s over. Nothing happens “next”, no one ‘comes back’ with ‘benefits’ to ‘live a life’. All horseshit. ?

@Kalki Avatar how are you functioning at all? Awake or not? How is your body breathing and digesting and your heart beats when you are asleep and lost in nothingness or some crazy ass dream? It's pure magic. You never did anything in the first place. It's all functional perfectly fine without any you doing anything. Just get out of gods way ffs.