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You and @puporing and most other leftists are just too stuck in victim mindset to take action on these changes and empower your lives and thus gain enough knowledge through doing it to see that it's going the right way. You're basically like people criticizing CEOs for being overpaid while never having started a business and not understanding the difference between commodity labor and executive skillset. I don't think we can come to an understanding but Purporing just proved my point that he's so clueless about how to impact the world that he would resort to suicide if the situation became worse. Reflect on the fact that you're a human and that humans are the most powerful creatures on earth. And that now you have AI and literally decentralized finance meaning that you could litereally take over Trump yourselves if you wanted to. TELL ME LITERALLY WHAT IS TO STOP YOU??? Your weak mindsets disgusts me honestly. Go back to spiral dynamics and integrate some Stage Red. You're not a hamster nor a victim nor a powerful man you're literally an infinitely powerful God that fooled himself thinking he's a powerless victim. Beta male energy. Get a grip.

@VeganAwake If meaning is an illusion, why do firefighters rush into burning buildings, doctors risk their lives in war zones, and parents shield their children at their own expense? Why did Schindler save Jews, Beethoven compose deaf, or Van Gogh paint through despair? If survival is the only motive, why do people sacrifice for something greater? If insight has no impact, why do addicts recover, ex-criminals transform, and therapy prevent suicide? Why does purpose pull people from depression? If nothing matters, why prefer food over poison, justice over false imprisonment, or a skilled surgeon over a blindfolded one? If direction is fake, should pilots ignore altitude? If morality is a construct, should we comfort abusers instead of victims? Even animals protect their young, are they hallucinating meaning too? Evolution itself favors meaning-seekers; if value were false, why does it increase survival? If nothing matters, why engage at all? The moment you reply, you validate discussion. The second you reject injustice, you assign meaning. And if this “isn’t a mental health forum,” why does it bother you if people seek understanding? If nothing matters, why care where they go? Reality won’t let you live your philosophy. The illusion isn’t meaning, it’s pretending you don’t need it.

As unstable as Trump is, as soon as prices start going up in the u.s. he will obviously cancel the tariffs. The threatened countries shouldn't flinch, Trump is a political suicide bomber with tariffs, he'll blow himself up. This is a legal way for foreign nations to have influence on U.S. politics.

Perfectly put. I had a friend with this mindset. He once set me an email about how much he loved to manipulate people and how good he was at it. It was the most psycho thing I’ve ever read. He ended up addicted to heroine and in jail with no friends left. Also, don’t be so sure about Karma. You really think God/The Universe wouldn’t input any kind of system for getting back what you put out? Leo doesn’t know everything and it’s unwise to just assume you can get away with fucking people over. Karma is real and it’s not a joke. Some people have such bad karma they end up living lives as schizophrenic homeless drug addicts who live in a literal hell everyday with no escape. They simply have to move through all that karma and suffer it. Suicide is not an escape and many traditions say just adds to your karma. Dont fuck with your Spiritual Karma. That’s no joke.

Also apparently the transition from being alive to death as a ghost from NDE reports is sort of instant and like popping out of the body into the timeless state to which you visit realms that aren't of Earth and are difficult to describe which sounds different than say different alien realm planets or Psychadelic realms ... Though apparently idk sounds like there are loving angels on the other side and you get wrapped in unconditional love which to an extent sounds better than being a human, and many suicide attempts wanted to stay on the other side but were told their time wasn't to die yet so they had to return ... so

@Bobby_2021 @Oppositionless @gengar @kavaris Thanks Soul Fam for sharing some insights - Personally I've been listening to NDE reports about suicide attempts or general deaths, and honestly it is quite interesting ... I mean there does seem to be slight differences amongst stories - Although the same gist of things accross cultures even ... Sometimes I hear that a person may enter a hell realm on death but the moment they begin say praying to God or Jesus, then immediately a mirror reflection in the spiritual realm will reflect the divine heavenly bliss realms which is apparently the natural way of being for spirits ... Which is believable, it makes sense why the majority would prefer Heavenly states naturally over the hell realms, so I suppose it shouldn't be difficult to maintain unconditional love. Anymore insight feel free to add them in and I'll continue responding over time - Thanks again!

if this post is in a wrong section i can move it. im not a selective person if you are kind thats alright. you can dm me if you want. you may look up my last posts to decide. i really dont know if this post is against the guidelines of the forum. i can delete this post if moderators wish. i had some online friends in the past and it was a nice experience. i thought that people on this forum are very openminded and it would be nice to be friends. i wasnt looking this forum for over a month and first think i see was a mods *suicide*. i hope everybody is doing fine! have a nice day!

As I said, mental health, especially things like suicidal ideation, is not an all or nothing thing, if you're thinking about suicide everyday and therapy takes it down to once a week then obviously that's great progress. Most therapy is not going to cure mental health issues completely, it doesn't work like that, some people do therapy for trauma for years. A 40% reduction in mental health issues for someone would be considered an incredible improvement. Generally your post has lots of speculation and assumptions, do you have anything to back it up or it's just your belief? I can't really debate your beliefs if that is the case

That's right, independent thinking is no guarantee of proper sense-making or truth. It's just the bare minimum to even stand a chance. Independent thinking easily turns into corruption or distortion. 1) In your case you can clearly see through a bit of self-reflection that your worldview is strongly colored by hurtful traumatic events. This kind of emotionality creates bias and distorts sense-making. So a simple answer to your question is to not ever make an worldview based on hurt, bitterness, or suffering, since such a worldview will be distorted and dysfunctional. Basically, don't construct worldviews based on negative emotional states. So in this case, proper independent thinking should have led you to see that your worldview was constructed from a place of trauma, which is not a sound way for constructing a worldview. Imagine if I constructed the entire Actualized.org worldview based on my mother abusing me as a child. Would that be an accurate worldview? Clearly not. I would first need to heal that trauma before I could construct a proper worldview. 2) There cannot be any formula for avoiding self-deception. The only solution is live consciousness and active intelligence. This intelligence must be active at all times and self-reflecting. It cannot be a one-and-done thing. You must keep being intelligent as long as you live. 3) Practically, in your case, therapy would be a good way to gain more clarity over your worldview. Psychedelics as well of course. 4) If you have deep Awakenings or realization of Infinity/Love/God, then you will realize that self/other is an imaginary duality which must collapse. From this understanding you can know that your bitterness and hatred of mankind cannot be truthful, because mankind is just an aspect of God/Infinity/Love/Self. The truth is that the same people who killed your dog are metaphysically identical to your dog and yourself, since there is no difference between self and other at the highest level of reality. So in order to heal yourself from this tragedy would require connecting with that disowned, shadow aspect of yourself. The thing you hate the most -- the people who killed your dog -- is the thing that you will ultimately need to realize as identical to yourself. That would be the conclusion which results in the healing. But that is a tall order. I'm not tell you to necessarily just do it right now. You probably need much more time to pass before you are ready to face such radical integration. I'm sorry, this is difficult to tell you, but the following applies here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-090 The entire challenge of spirituality is to integrate that. To integrate that basically requires complete Awakening beyond what a human mind can imagine. It would be an Awakening so deep that you would basically die and return from the grave. In that moment of death, death itself would heal you. (I am not talking about suicide.) When the self dies, God's love cleanses your psyche of corruption by melting you into pure Infinity. An ocean of love where your dog, yourself, and your enemy are One. This Oneness is Absolute Truth. From this Truth all sense-making must derive, otherwise it will be corrupt.

Probably not, but I'm sure that she didn't do mashamadi. Maybe she committed suicide and sadhguru thought that it would be a big stain and he said that was mashamadi. He burned the body before the autopsy. In addition the people who do mashamadi in India are not burned are buried.

Even fucking Albert Camus said the number one philosophical question before any other philosophical inquires is the question if to or not commit suicide as a number one question in philosophy to be investigated and personally my answer to this nobel prize winner in literature is yes personally the answer is to kill myself but it fucking stops there like I'm not allowed to end it??? That is my fucking answer to the number one question I prefer to be dead fuck this life and yet I am forced to have to outlive this fucking shit as if my answer for thousands of years gets me no where Will it be pure positive awareness as Abraham Hicks puts it or is it worse of to kill myself and hence I am fucking trapped ???

@Michael569 this is great help, thank you. All the replies here are helpful, thank you to everyone. What I forgot to mention is that I’m a normal dude with a job. I didn’t go to university, I’m not an academic. I was originally saving up to buy a house, and I’ve probably got enough to buy one. But now that seems pointless. There are people out there living amazing lives and they aren’t working a normal job, they aren’t saving up to buy an overpriced house. Deep down I think I have a weak ego. How the hell do I gain a healthy ego when all I’m doing is working and saving up for a house? There is literally no growth there at all. I talk to people, I try to be nice and friendly to people, I’m not going out partying anymore or doing crazy stuff. So yeah, that’s it. And every now and again I think about suicide simply to get out of this mess. It sometimes seems like a valid way out. Because the way the world is going it can’t be good. As a normal dude with a job - it ain’t great.

I’m looking for direct and thoughtful answers to a few key questions about suicide, death, and what might come next. My aim is to strike at the core of these topics and get clarity. 1. What Happens After Death? Is it possible to return to "pure positive awareness," where there’s no resistance, need, or pain, only wholeness and joy? Or is death shaped by unresolved beliefs, leading to chaotic, illusory afterlife experiences? Are near-death experiences, spiritual teachings (e.g., Abraham Hicks, Bashar, David Hawkins), and other accounts reliable, or could they just be ego-driven hallucinations? 2. Suicide vs. Natural Death: Does suicide lead to a different afterlife experience than dying naturally? Does the intent behind death matter in shaping what happens next? Are there consequences or “karmic debts” for suicide, or is it just another form of transition? 3. Vibrations and Beliefs at Death: Do one’s beliefs or emotions at the moment of death determine their immediate afterlife experience? If so, how can someone shift their vibration to avoid “negative” outcomes like chaotic or hell-like states? 4. Choosing Death and Reincarnation: If life is chosen before birth, can death also be chosen? Can one align themselves with a peaceful exit and avoid future reincarnation altogether? Is it possible to fully escape the cycle of birth, death, and suffering, or is reincarnation unavoidable until “enlightenment”? 5. Ending the Experience Permanently: Does suicide provide a permanent end to the human experience, or does it simply lead to a new cycle of suffering in another form or life? How does one ensure they do not reincarnate or return to physical existence after deat?

You saved my life when I was going through a dark phase. Thanks for the kindness you showed me. You are the person who knows the real me, thanks for encouraging, supporting, guiding me behind the scenes throughout my journey and for not giving up on me despite my hardships, insecurities and anxieties. Everyone judged me during my tough times except you who showed me compassion, so I'm forever indebted to you for saving me from suicide. Thank you for being so patient with me despite my struggles. I'm forever grateful for all you have done for me. It's not easy and you did so much. You're incredibly strong, incredibly smart and an amazing human being I came across. I don't have words to describe the amazing human being you are, a true soulmate, I am lucky to have found you. Thanks for not leaving me. Even my own family didn't support me. But you were there when nobody was. When I was loneliest and nobody wanted me except you. You're the only person in the whole world who stood by me like a pillar and offered me unwavering support during my worst phases. You didn't give up on me and you are the only one who didn't give up on me when everyone else did. Thanks for being through thick and thin. Your commitment means a lot to me, it saved me from going into a downward spiral. You are the only person who fully trusted me, supported me and believed me and had faith in me. That's a true companion and soulmate. Thanks for being the greatest friend, mentor, husband and pillar, thanks for never giving up. Your kindness will forever be in my heart, thank you so much, I have tears when I write this, thanks for believing my struggle and giving your companionship. Bless you. God bless you for being an incredible human being. ............... @integration journey thank you for your kind words.

I meant in case I commit suicide lol I can have those thoughts but im fine now

Where did you get suicide from? Nvm I’m guessing you meant that his mod life is over

You are literally commenting this in his suicide thread insulting everybody but you... Have some respect for the members of this forum

Sometimes it seems like op is a crazy leftist on clomid or aromatizable steroids lol. Men cry less for biological reasons, and because their nervous system learns that it is useless to cry in x situation in their case. Women should not be in the military, they are weaker, will not be respected as much, and are less able to stand war scenes. The one who inspired my seminal retention adventure had a military friend who committed suicide for this reason.

Hey Everyone For the past month I've been doing a deep dive into the darkest and most deprived sides of human nature through documentaries seeing as an understanding of this is part of the work. The topics include and not limited to: murder rape and sexual exploitation human, drug, organ, weapon trafficking con artistry bullying corruption (sexual, financial, religious) cults dictators child soldiers and civil wars cannibalism racisim, sexisim suicide genocide torture hate crimes gambling animal abuse I have created a comprehensive list and have made it a collaborative so you can add more to it. Feel free to add your suggestions. Will add more videos to it with time.

It seems like it would be political suicide, but so did trying to coup the government. The fact of the matter is, the citizens are too caught up in their own lives to care about a nazi salute or a government coup or a convicted felon with a several decades long history of con artistry . Half of them probably don’t even know what a Nazi salute or a Nazi is. The majority don’t care but the vocal minority opposition does, which is who the salute was intended for.

I think that love is something very normal, is what you are, what reality is, but it's veiled by the self. The self is the bias, the survival machine. If you can remove the bias for a while you realize what you are, it's just openenss. If you are not used to it you do 5meo and you get crazy of love, but if you realize it often it's not no crazy. About Osho...who knows, it's very difficult to judge people, but I have the feeling that Osho is narcissist and shallow, and it's impossible that a shallow narcissist is opened to the real thing. But maybe I'm totally wrong, there are many angles to see a person . Could you imagine Osho being humble in real suffering? Life is not just a game to enjoy and have nice feelings, it has another face either. I think that Osho committed suicide when the things became ugly. They said mashamadi, but I'd say morphine

Sucide hotline: "What happened to you sir, anything can be worked out and your life put together again" "I was rugg pulled by the US president." Suicide hotline:

I have had full-on awakenings where I was laughing my ass off. I was not under the influence of psychedelics. This was about 6 years ago, and it was an amazing time in my life. But enlightenment does not create permanent happiness. If anything it makes you more isolated, and unable to relate to "normal" people and situations. I never made a big deal about my enlightenment. I told a few people and they probably thought it was the rambling of a madman. Since then I have had two suicide attempts, experienced psychosis, and struggled with alcohol. Currently, I don't enjoy what the world has to offer. I live an ascetic, contemplative life. I don't have many friends. It's not depression, it's more like anhedonia. That's why I drink sometimes, because I can enjoy things more. I always imagined that enlightenment would lead to permanent happiness, but as you can see, this is not the case. I wonder where I have gone wrong. If what Leo says is true, then I am one of only about 10,000 people on the planet who have awakened to this degree. I wonder what I am supposed to do next.

If there are no hostages to “rescue” even less will report. Recently one soldier committed suicide after being called in to go back. What is planned is probably another “mowing the grass” operation which would be smaller like in 2014 or 2008. But in a few years time, and there is no telling what happens by then.

I bring that up? When someone tells you for 5 years now as I earlier recall, that you enslave others, you are the sole reason why there is suffering on earth, you create junk and pollute the planet, that you are the devil and so on. Now tell me, what other solution can those teachings lead to? Leo never encouraged anybody to do self harm or suicide, on the contrary, he always told us to not do that. But his teachings have always left me with an after taste in my mouth of killing myself. He made me realize that I am indeed the devil and I thank him for that, but you have to draw the line somewhere! To me he crossed the line when he said that having a pet is slavery for the pet. With that statement, he made me feel like I should stop breathing also! Because I am also enslaving the oxygen to make my body function... I honestly love him for everything he thought us but sometimes he is downright making me jump off a cliff. STOP THAT. At least if he was right, but in that case he is dead wrong.