Arthogaan

This might be one of the best debates i ever saw when it comes to actually engaging with arguments, good faith and generally having fun. And I respect Destiny for being flexible enough to change his starting ground and generally very cool to see that he is not really a materialist and even acknowledges the possibility of very different logic systems.

I agree mostly but on the other end of the spectrum you can even have just simple drums with zero melody and it generates this very unique shaman-like, tribal, trance vibe - and in that unique case adding melody to it would take away from this raw, tribal feel. Check this out:

I would argue it's not about melody or rhytm but VIBES. Vibe creation. I can listen to ambient or drum&bass with simple 2 chord progression for hours if soundscape and sound engineering produces interesting vibe/archetype. It's metaphysical at it's core and its about god exploring it's different flavours and aspects.

When it comes to their silly point about consent being so coherent framework when it comes to morality I think good deconstructing counterpoints are: - eating meat, - teaching young kids anything - do we have consent from kids to condition them in a way we see proper as parents? - even eating fruits - do we have consent from the tree? Sort of. - smoking in public -> you make air worse for others -> and therefore even just by a fact of being alive you produce co2 and take oxygen - did you ask other people if you can?

I am too lazy to respond more broadly, but I agree with your points and my book recommendations for you are two: Rob Burbea - Seeing that Frees. - he speaks there a lot how CONCEPTION = PERCEPTION. And goes very deep into the defabrication of that knot. Yeshuani's work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOwaZB4k0M&t=1919s - she speaks in terms of structure generating your life patterns and loops specific to you.

I am too lazy to respond more broadly, but I agree with your points and my book recommendations for you are two: Rob Burbea - Seeing that Frees. - he speaks there a lot how CONCEPTION = PERCEPTION. And goes very deep into the defabrication of that knot. Yeshuani's work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOwaZB4k0M&t=1919s - she speaks in terms of structure generating your life patterns and loops specific to you.

haha, that's lovely

100% agree. You could imagine a couple arguing about something, word salad, drama, and then they suddenly just stop, look into each other eyes and all arguments seems silly.

Literally the whole point of my post was that words are just pointings. And then you do a very convenient strategy of "your words and Leo's are claims, mine words are just pointings" so you give yourself a double standard here. Relax. Do not assume so easily. And check the remnants of grasping mechanisms and mechanisms of superiority. Because thosr mechanisms can still run on their own even after seeing through a separate agent.

Golden description @Davino, or should I say Divino.

Yeah, and your words are also function of the mind. Yet they point to the Nameless. Just as Leo's words. You see other people's words and assume "ha, that's just mind's blah blah" and continue to write words yourself lol. And no need to go to "as before so called birth" - your birth never happened, the Nameless is right here, right now.

@James123 You disagreement with Leo here is just semantics and grasping to words. Everyone has slightly different connotations so it is very hard to point to true nature. But Leo saying infinity is all there is is exactly the same what you are saying. Infinity is not an experience for Leo. Maybe in your vocabulary your neural network points to something that is an experience. But the nitty gritty of all this is just that there only ever was THIS/INFINITY. Just imaginary differences happening in undescribeable, undefinable, limitless, boundaryless, self-less, THIS. When all limits, diferencess, dualities are seen through you are left with just THIS. Just this pure magic appearing out of nowhere. And that's what Leo calls infinity. And there was always just this/infinity. It only seemed otherwise because of grasping to definitions/categories/dualities.

@UnbornTao It seem's to me you lack some epistemic humility. Let look at this hypothetical: You have teachers you give more credit than Leo. Let's say I treat Leo degrees more deep than Ramana, Ralston after listening and practicing all of them - let's say main disadvantage of "your guys" is serious underapreciation of the degrees of Love possible (or at least underspeaking about this aspect, because I am of a believe they have awoken to Love but out of conformity Ralston is scared about using that word) You can say that your sense making capabilities, your inteligence and intuition make it very obvious that your teachers are the real deal. Now I can say exactly the same about my inteligence, observation, practice, experience - that obviously Leo is more well rounded teacher. So now how do we figure out whose sense making framework is better? We literally can't. It would be difficult even in person, even when feeling each others vibe, energy and level of equanimity, love etc. And on a fucking forum? Impossible. So just please, be less harsh and more humble about your perspective of devaluing Leo's work. Much love.

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Yooo, this selection is crazy good. Really cool that you found them moving and detailed diferent aspects. This is all very close to my own understanding. I especially liked the personal aspect. I really like to explore this aspect and it is not mentioned often enough - how close, intimate, personal, the mind of God is. I really like this artist: