Federico del pueblo

@Thought Art Not too much I can add to what you already posted, I've mostly done breathwork from "breathe with Sandy" too, which I think is amazing in terms of video quality, music and guidance. Anyway I think you should consider going to a holotropic breathwork workshop. This stuff goes really deep and can produce experiences similar to those on psychedelics. The group setting plus the choice of deep reaching spiritual music really adds a lot to the experience.

@Breakingthewall That's pretty amazing! I'm gonna meditate on these statements

Which is probably more commonly referred to as "duality" in spiritual circles. How come that "something" can seem to be different than "something else"? If I look in front of "me", how can there seem to be different (various) shapes and colours, like areas with lines or boundaries around them, which seem to be separating one "thing" from another? This seems like an impossibility. If everything is one, why is it not just one big undifferentiated continuum? Or maybe an infinitely small "point". Why can I take a tennis ball and throw it through "space" if there is no tennis ball, nor any space to begin with?

Exactly! Right. The reactivity to specific emotional triggers is less and less with more time passing. Great!

Alright thanks! That is simply how it feels. Every time I allow it to happen it feels like a massive discharge. I simply feel better afterwards and my problematic emotions seem to be continuously decreasing in intensity, although it's a rather slow process. Also these tremors and shaking movements are exactly that which people experience when they do the so called "tension, trauma and stress release exercises" (TRE) from Dr. David Berceli. They also tend to happen a lot in deep experiential therapies (e.g. holotropic breathwork) or other trauma modalities like somatic experiencing (according to my research).

This is a new development which has unfolded over about the last month. It doesn't matter what exactly I do, any of the following practices after some time initiates a very strong energetic process in the body (I'll explain below what that means): Sitting in silence Doing nothing Being aware of the background witness Listening to some binaural beats Doing rhythmic breathing like "4 seconds in, 6 seconds out" Psychedelic breathwork (Dmt/shamanic breathing etc.) Being very aware of sounds or silence or that which witnesses the sounds/silence Staring at objects without thinking Sensing empty space Being aware of being aware And so on, anything that facilitates a meditative state After some time of doing any of these, subtle vibrations, mostly along the spine start to appear. Then as the state deepens muscle tensions in different areas of the body (especially the region of shoulders, neck and jaw) arise and these tensions also start to sort of rhythmically contract. After a while my entire spine might rotate in circles or spiralling movements or back and forth/left and right, etc. If I completely allow these movements to happen I basically need to stop my meditation and lay down so the body can do "it's work". What then happens seems like a full blown physical emotional/trauma release (of which I "have" a lot), with very strong shaking, tremors, twitching while feeling the flow of subtle energies in the body. If I want to keep meditating I must not let the movements get all to fierce, otherwise I'd be involuntarily swinging in all directions. Even if I let the movements not get to out of hand, meditating/concentrating has become very hard this way. I'm not entirely sure if this phenomenon is related to the Kundalini energy awakening, but it does seem like it, because so much is happening along the spine. It also doesn't feel wrong or harmful in any way, it's just new and seems kind of "crazy" in a good way. It actually seems like a kind of catharsis or purging. I'm just curious if any of you have made similar experiences or know anything about these phenomena? What comes to mind for you when reading this? Much love, Federico

I see. No problem though, UnbornTao linked it below @UnbornTao thanks man, you're my hero!

@Yimpa Do you know? Does anybody know this? Dear master @Leo Gura do you know what I mean and would you please be so loving to link that topic here if it still exists? 🙃 Thanks 🙏❤

It was from @Leo Gura himself. I think it was a pinned topic, like a guide which explained different spiritual techniques like self-inquiry and/or contemplation. There were some memorable images in it like an illusory triangle or a cute monkey with huge funny eyes, below which it said "you cannot unsee what you have seen" or so. I don't find it anywhere :-/

Or both or neither one of them? 😄 The last 7,5 months have been absolutely brutal for me. A few days after my last lsd experience in July I was heavily destabilised and flooded with such unimaginable levels of fear that it seemed like I had damaged myself forever. This was also a heavy retraumatization with things that had already gotten considerably better after several years of good work. Since then several other things followed that destabilised me again after I had already improved. The last one is that since end of 2023 I haven't been able to overcome a fucking regular cold, which is constantly worsening my already debilitating chronic fatigue symptoms. It was a cycle of stress, more illness symptoms, more stress etc. Since my second last lsd experience (also July 2023) until now I have a thing where behind closed eyes I see subtle but still clear enough images of scary faces flashing up, very quickly and subtly, still unambiguous though. It's more like just the widely opened eye balls and mouths, like you would imagine insane people or people in terror or people being tormented or so. It started during the lsd experience but didn't unfold or complete itself and now it persists a little bit more subtly than during the experience. Needless to say that with my trauma and the last lsd experience I'm not gonna have any trip again any time soon... Weirdly though, at the same time my meditations are deeper than ever and it more and more feels like I'm connecting to something and dissolving into nothingness. I feel twitching or subtle tremoring movements around the spine, sometimes in the perineum itself. I've had meditations where I clearly felt a stream of energy through the spine up into the brain. I have more and more "visuals" during my meditations. My brain feels incredibly good in some meditations, sometimes there's virtually no thought (no selftalk) for maybe a minute or so, just imagery arising and leaving (biographical, phantastical or "random", kind of like on a psychedelic.) I'm sometimes in a normal environment but I really have to wonder: "what actually is this here? Objects, people, "me"?" Of course I know that people voluntarily start to do contemplation to awaken, but what I mean is that I really genuinely am confronted with this question, not really like I'm choosing to think about it. I also do very down to earth trauma work or emotional work with different techniques, I can't go very deep at the moment though, cause I can still downward spiral and get destabilised. I'm also aware of "something". It's like energetic but...I don't know. Like seeing a flimmering in the air, and it's not the one when a street is hot in summer, much more subtle. It kind of feels like a presence could be here, but I don't really see it yet. On some nights I also had terrible nightmares where I was paralysed and other crazy stuff happened. But also dreams of flying, chakras opening and energy spreading etc Stanislav Grof invented the term of "spiritual crisis/spiritual emergency" (as opposed to mental illness), so maybe you guys can calm me down a bit. I'd appreciate if you try to not make me more concerned but offer the most optimistic or encouraging view. Thanks a lot everyone! Greetings

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@soos_mite_ah thanks for writing this. I love your post! @Breakingthewall so true!

Yes! Thank you!

Yeah of course... there's also things like god realisation and OBEs and NDEs and unity and connectedness and so on. But look, you decided to dream the dream of a human. Why are you doing this? You could just be floating around as star dust all the time or experience yourself as a super nova explosion. But actually you truly want to have the human experience, this limited finite, kind of hilarious experience where you are this little goofy self, navigating this complex world with all all of these ups and downs and with all the misery and all the glory and what not. But now, if you truly allow yourself to completely let go and just truly surrender to this human experience amazing things can happen. Your experiences with other limited little humans can be so profound and meaningful, you just never knew it. We always wait until things are right. There is always this future moment when things will finally be ok enough and then finally we can fully enjoy the experiences with other humans. When my trauma is healed, then finally I can be open and loving with other people... When my health is improved, then finally I can be more social and do more of X and have more meaningful experiences with people... When my studies are finished and I have a good job in another city, then finally I can be like X with people feel like Y and do Z... When I have my ideal boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband etc., then finally I can feel X emotion which will help me to do more of Y so I can feel more Z and then because of Z I can be still more charismatic with people so I can connect more with them and feel more of this other human emotion... But look, you only have this fucked up human experience that you are aware of right now. Maybe you have anxiety, maybe you have depression, maybe you were bullied in school, maybe you have asymmetrical tits or a small Penis or you have this negative story in your mind of how you became so limited and you like to wallow yourself in it and tell yourself that until X is not fixed you cannot truly enjoy your humanness and connect with people. Maybe you think you first need to achieve enlightenment or "transcend your trauma" until you really can connect with people. I'm here to tell you that all of this is bullshit. All these other people you could meet have all kinds of flaws and a lot of them feel self conscious or insecure about something. A lot of people would really appreciate it if you showed up and were a bit more open about your flaws and insecurities because then they could let go more and just ve themselves. But anyway...if you could just be a bit more conscious of your neurotic human ego and understand that it's just this little illusionary thing - which is not truly you, but a part of your human experience - this would already do a lot. Then, when you step in front of another human being, you could be conscious that there is an exchange of information (facilitated by language), but more importantly there is an exchange of ENERGY happening at the same time. How much energy can you exchange or let flow from you to the other person? The other person does not need to be awake or anything for this to happen. It only takes you and your intention and presence, there's no excuse. Do you need anything from the person or can you simply give to give? Can you wish the other person the best? Can you just be fully present with the person and be grounded in your body and in the now? Does your ego need to tell the other person of all your achievements and get a lot of validation? But if the other person needs validation, can you be non-judgemental about it and see a little bit of yourself in them and just give them a bit of that validation? Don't wait until it's all perfect! This moment will never come... Allow yourself to fully connect with others now, with all your flaws and shortcomings and so on. Don't hide these things, just admit them, just own them. Don't "do good game", just do "no game-game". Or actually, do nothing and just fucking BE. Let it flow. Some people will judge or reject you. It doesn't matter. Don't let the fear about this get in the way of truly connecting with the "good" people who just take you as you are. Your life is now. There's nothing else. And be honest with yourself...you don't actually want to meditate all day long or do your yoga the entire time. You want the human experience. You want to meet and understand and truly FEEL others. That's why you became a separate limited human. If you truly allowed yourself to have this experience and connect with other people instead of protecting yourself you might actually get a spiritual experience from it. A human-spiritiual experience (Of course I'm projecting a lot here...I'm guilty of all the things I mentioned above). I think that's all I wanted to say. Thanks for reading!

I can only give you the advice to not do what I did with LSD, which is the following: LSD is a substance that will (at least after a few trips) automatically liberate stored/pent up emotions from your body and thus it will become conscious to you as energy/emotion, maybe accompanied by memories and can be clearly located in the body. Your body might react with movements in an attempt to "burn" the stress from these past experiences and their emotional charge. Anyway, here's what I did but you shouldn't: Even though the substance was already liberating and releasing emotions I thought it would be a good idea to additionally deeply feel into my triggers on full doses of LSD. I thought "but like this I can bring up more and release it". I brought up more indeed when I did this "mental exposure therapy" a few more times and in one last attempt I brought up a lot, it clearly felt too much and like some really deep dark energy had been brought up, creeping up through my upper back and neck. The trip ended normally though and I thought nothing too bad had happened. A few days later I got triggered by one of my regular triggers and the anxiety then quickly spiraled into deep fear and panic. I had the most horrible existential fears you could ever imagine for several days. This became a severe retraumatization with some of my prior fears and new fears arose from that too, together with dark depression and hopelessness. I'm still dealing with the consequences over 4 months later. With a substance like LSD (on a full dose) you basically create a little temporary hole in the barrier between conscious and unconscious mind so that unconscious material can come up. If you are then overly eager and try to bring up even more you might create a stream of emotion that is a little bit too strong and that can rip the little hole wide open and thus leave some damage in the barrier that doesn't immediately heal/close again after the trip. And then you can get flooded. So be careful. Just let come up what wants to come up and don't try to bring up all at once in one experience. Also at some point in this process very big experiences might happen, like reexperiencing very early unconscious traumatizations. This can be very challenging or overwhelming if you're by yourself and you might want to at least have a trip sitter or even better professional guidance.